Originally posted by SMB315C:But I'd rather them to extend 700 back to Woodlands (despite having space constrains).
At that point in time, TIBS and SMRT were separate companies and competed for passengers, they probably figured out after a while that very few people were taking the bus from Woodlands, thus not worth running the extra journey. The new MRT extension had opened and travelling by MRT was faster than taking the bus.
Originally posted by SBS7557R:This thread discusses former bus services that should have been retained/current bus services that should have retained their original routes. While this seems like just digging back into the past of bus services, it allows the collation of the lost connections that can be brought back in the form of new/amendment of existing routes (although unlikely given LTA's concept of more short distance bus services today)
Here's my top picks:
Old sv5 (Bt Panjang - Lor 1 Geylang)
If the former sv5 between Bt Panjang - Lor 1 Geylang was retained, Margaret Dr would have another route to cater to the needs of the neighbourhoods along the route (apart from sv32 initially before the addition of sv122) and a direct connection to Chinatown (currently served by sv122 indirectly). Nevertheless, It is fortunate that sv970 took over part of the former sv5's route between Bt Panjang and Commonwealth.(with the exception of plying Hillview Ave/Bt Batok East Ave 2/Jln Jurong Kechil instead of Upp Bt Timah Rd/Jln Anak Bt).
970 adequately covers the sectors covered by 5. Yes, it doesn't serve Margaret Drive, but it isn't that far a walk from Margaret Drive, and for most people there is no difference in terms of walking distance to Commonwealth Ave/Alexandra Rd. Furthermore, by serving Commonwealth Ave, you are improving your coverage as you are not just attracting the passengers from Margaret Drive, but also from the part of Queenstown opposite the road. Also, you have to bear in mind that when it was withdrawn, there was population decentralisation where people were moving out from areas near the city to new towns like Sengkang, Bt Panjang, Yew Tee and Jurong West Extension, so ridership most likely had fallen, replacing it with a more straightforward route near the city like 970 is probably a better choice.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:The free shuttle bus service from Boon Lay MRT (Jurong West Street 64 / Boon Lay Way) to IMM Shopping Mall was withdrawn in year 2009.
In my opinion, they should not have removed that service. If they are experiencing losses, they should have made it a chargeable (eg: charge us $5 a trip) service, instead of withdrawing it.
That defeats the purchase of having a free shuttle bus service.
Originally posted by SMB42P:agree with 989...the current 985 routes at BB West can be served by 188...
The current 985 at Bukit Batok West was served by 185. 185 was merged with 989 to form 985. The only difference is 185 served the Blk 400+ stop at Bukit Batok West Ave 7 (the 367/947 portion), while 985 was amended a few years after the merger to served the other side of West Ave 7 like 187 and 188. They did come out, for a short time, an alternate trip variation to serve both sides. Basically the first bus would be a 985 serving the new route, while the next bus would be a 985W which served the old route.
Originally posted by SMB128B:501, 502, cityshopper
Cityshopper was largely a disaster.
Originally posted by SBS351M:At that point in time, TIBS and SMRT were separate companies and competed for passengers, they probably figured out after a while that very few people were taking the bus from Woodlands, thus not worth running the extra journey. The new MRT extension had opened and travelling by MRT was faster than taking the bus.
Ah thanks..
Originally posted by SBS351M:The current 985 at Bukit Batok West was served by 185. 185 was merged with 989 to form 985. The only difference is 185 served the Blk 400+ stop at Bukit Batok West Ave 7 (the 367/947 portion), while 985 was amended a few years after the merger to served the other side of West Ave 7 like 187 and 188. They did come out, for a short time, an alternate trip variation to serve both sides. Basically the first bus would be a 985 serving the new route, while the next bus would be a 985W which served the old route.
yup i know that. thats why i said the current route for 985 can be covered by 188 while 985 can cover the old 985W route and then servce the blk 400+ stops instead...
Originally posted by SBS351M:At that point in time, TIBS and SMRT were separate companies and competed for passengers, they probably figured out after a while that very few people were taking the bus from Woodlands, thus not worth running the extra journey. The new MRT extension had opened and travelling by MRT was faster than taking the bus.
Service 700 did not run the same route as the NSL from Woodlands to Kranji; which I suppose was the reason for lack of demand...it could have run the same route as service 960 from Woodlands to Bukit Panjang but semi-express after Kranji MRT Station (which Service 700 plied back then) instead.
I missed all the bus services that were withdrawn/amended due to the North-East Line rationalisation in 2003.
I lived in Bedok North. Before the NEL rationalisation, I always walked to Bedok North Road, took svc 23 to Bendemeer Road, and changed to one of these buses to downtown: 81/82/85/97/103/106/111/133/147... After the NEL started operation in June 2003, all these services (except 133 and 147) were withdrawn/amended. I was very upset because I had concession pass for bus only and I was left with very little choice from Bendemeer Road to downtown. (E.g. Before the cut, I could take 65/85/106/111 to Orchard. After the cut, I could only take 65.)
Another service that I missed is Express 505 - Pasir Ris to Bukit Merah/Harbourfront (loop)
Express 505 travelled through Pasir Ris (Drive 1), Tampines (Avenue 7, 4, 5, 10), Bedok North Road, and then non-stop to Jalan Bukit Merah via PIE and CTE. It made a loop along Jalan Bukit Merah, Alexandra Road, Telok Blangah Road and Lower Delta Road, and travelled non-stop again to Bedok North Road. From Bedok North Road, I could reach Bukit Merah in 20 minutes. Unfortunately Express 505 was withdrawn. (If Express 505 remained, I might have taken it every day because I studied in NUS. Concession passes were not valid on Express bus, but I would still take 505 because it was really fast.)
I remembered taking 505 a few days before its withdrawal. The bus was packed all the way to the front door, and I wondered why SBST withdrew such a high-demanded service. Later SBST introduced Express 518, but 518 was not very useful for me if I travelled to NUS. By the time SBST introduced svc 5 from Pasir Ris to Bukit Merah, I was graduating from NUS, so I didn't get to enjoy the benefits of svc 5.
For routes shortened the NEL Rationalization (apart from the old sv85 mentioned in the first page):
Originally posted by SBS7557R:For routes shortened the NEL Rationalization (apart from the old sv85 mentioned in the first page):
- Sv 62's rationalization impact is much lower since it simply duplicates sv2/sv12 to NBR, so more or less it's justified.
- Sv 81 should have been left behind to provide a 2nd alternative to sv147, which is currently bursting in demand right now.
- Sv 82 / Sv 97 (either one) should have been left behind to maintain the link from the northeast to Shenton Way instead of sv107 (sv107 could have been shortened to loop in the Kallang Bahru area)
- Sv 103's rationalization impact may not be as high with alternatives such as sv147 & sv51/sv80, and of course the NEL
- Sv 106's rationalization impact may not be as high if either/both sv85/sv111 was left behind, since it duplicates them to Serangoon.
- Sv 111 should have been left behind to maintain the link between Hougang/Kovan/Serangoon and rest of Orchard (sv106's route shortening would have been more justified since it duplicates sv111 to Orchard).
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Originally posted by SBS351M:Cityshopper was largely a disaster.
While the idea of off peak limited-stop svcs between between housing estates and Orchard/Suntec was great, the high premium fares of $3+ deterred many pax (although student fare was $1). I think the concept would have been much more successful if the svcs charged Express fares of $2+, similar to 502, 518, 188R, 963R and Chinatown Direct.
Ideally, I'd like to see some popular City Direct or CD-type bus svcs operate full day, with off peak variants serving areas like Orchard, Suntec and maybe Harbourfront. Possible svcs would be 850E (Yishun), 951E (Woodlands), 656 (Sembawang), 652 (Ang Mo Kio) and 653 (Bt Batok). If 502 and 518 are popular despite their Express fares, I think some of the City Direct svcs could be similarly successful, especially for outlying housing estates further from the city.
I have not took Service 97 and 502's route in 1999 and after the North East Line opened, Service 502 ended up plying Suntec City instead and Service 97 ended up terminating at Marina Center instead
List of bus services should have remained:
Service 62: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong East
Service 68: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 91
Service 81: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong East
Service 82: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Boon Lay
Service 85: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 91
Service 97: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Buangkok Green
Service 103: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Pioneer Road North
Service 106: Should have left behind and extended to Punggol
Service 111: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Hougang Street 51
Service 126: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 72
Service 134: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 42
Service 137: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 51
Service 144: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 83
Service 148: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 63
Service 149: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 91
Service 150: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 75
Service 152: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Tampines Street 83
Service 164: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 65
Service 502: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Buangkok Green
Originally posted by Path Light:I have not took Service 97 and 502's route in 1999 and after the North East Line opened, Service 502 ended up plying Suntec City instead and Service 97 ended up terminating at Marina Center instead
List of bus services should have remained:
Service 62: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong East
Service 68: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 91
Service 81: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong East
Service 82: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Boon Lay
Service 85: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 91
Service 97: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Buangkok Green
Service 103: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Pioneer Road North
Service 106: Should have left behind and extended to Punggol
Service 111: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Hougang Street 51
Service 126: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 72
Service 134: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 42
Service 137: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 51
Service 144: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 83
Service 148: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 63
Service 149: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 91
Service 150: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 75
Service 152: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Tampines Street 83
Service 164: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Jurong West Street 65
Service 502: Should have left behind and extended to loop at Buangkok Green
Hi mr pathlight, are you really serious? Super long routes for what??? Impractical. Cheers.
Long routes one thing,Pity the BCs have to endure long distance loop svc without rest...
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr pathlight, are you really serious? Super long routes for what??? Impractical. Cheers.
Yes. These are my suggestions to the routes before the North East Line opened in 2003
The routes plying along Eu Tong Sen Street in 1982 are:
Service 2, 3, 11, 12, 33, 41, 51, 61, 62, 63, 80, 81, 82, 83, 90, 101, 102, 103, 124, 126, 134, 143, 145, 147, 151, 164, 166, 167, 173, 174, 181, 182, 183, 189, 190, 196 and 197
The routes plying along Eu Tong Sen Street in 1988 are:
Service 2, 3, 11, 12, 28, 33, 41, 51, 61, 62, 63, 80, 81, 82, 83, 90, 101, 103, 124, 126, 134, 143, 145, 147, 151, 164, 166, 167, 173, 174, 179, 181, 182, 183, 189, 190, 194, 196 and 197
As I know, there were route diversions
During the F1 period, the routes plying along Eu Tong Sen Street are:
Service 2, 10, 12, 32, 33, 51, 54, 57, 61, 63, 70, 80, 100, 106, 107, 124, 128, 130, 131, 133, 143, 145, 147, 162, 166, 167, 174, 190, 195, 196, 197, 700, 850E, 851, 951E, 960, 961, 970 and 971E
During the F1 period, the routes plying along North Bridge Road are:
Service 7, 10, 14, 16, 32, 36, 51, 56, 57, 61, 63, 70, 77, 80, 100, 106, 107, 107M, 111, 124, 128, 130, 131, 133, 145, 162, 162M, 166, 167, 171, 174, 175, 197, 502, 700, 850E, 851, 951E, 961, 971E and 980.
During the F1 period, the routes plying along South Bridge Road are:
Service 10, 14, 16, 51, 57, 61, 63, 70, 80, 100, 106, 107, 124, 128, 130, 131, 133, 145, 162, 166, 167, 174, 197, 502, 700, 850E, 851, 951E, 961 and 971E
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:Why you want many of the routes in your previous post be extended to Jurong and there will be traffic jams everywhere.
I suspect you live in Jurong West.
Hi mr sbs6750E, his suggestion is illogical and impractical. Cheers. Thanks.
Service 62 should have left behind and terminate at Harbourfront Bus Interchange
Service 97 should have left behind and terminate at Hougang Bus Interchange
Service 111 should have left behind and terminate at Hougang Bus Interchange
For Service 82, it should have left behind and terminate at New Bridge Road Terminal
For Service 502, it should have left behind and terminate at Sengkang Bus Interchange
Service 103 should have left behind and the route would be: Serangoon - New Bridge Road Terminal - Yishun
Service 106 should have left behind and the route would be: Bukit Batok - Sengkang Bus Interchange
For Service 81, it should have left behind and the route would be: Serangoon - New Bridge Road - Dover Road (Loop)
Want Service 85's past route back and, rename Service 119 as 129
62 back to New Bridge Road
505 and 511 back.
97 back to Hougang
502 back to Sengkang
111 back to Hougang
82 back to New Bridge Road
103 back to New Bridge Road and call as a bus stop before traveling towards Yishun
Originally posted by Path Light:Service 62 should have left behind and terminate at Harbourfront Bus Interchange
Service 97 should have left behind and terminate at Hougang Bus Interchange
Service 111 should have left behind and terminate at Hougang Bus Interchange
For Service 82, it should have left behind and terminate at New Bridge Road Terminal
For Service 502, it should have left behind and terminate at Sengkang Bus Interchange
Service 103 should have left behind and the route would be: Serangoon - New Bridge Road Terminal - Yishun
Service 106 should have left behind and the route would be: Bukit Batok - Sengkang Bus Interchange
For Service 81, it should have left behind and the route would be: Serangoon - New Bridge Road - Dover Road (Loop)
all these routes should be extended to buangkok green...
eh. mai anyhow leh. we are going off-topic leh....