Originally posted by lemon1974:pls lah.. dun anyhow say.. why would a BC go purposely drive so slowly and in the end, he cant rest? there are many factors which can easily caused buses to arrive late....
BC will be query if they arrive way too early, that is for sure... but when BC are late, usually there are valid reasons involved... traffic jam/accident/too many ppl boarding etc etc...
it will be no good as if the driver drive fast or too fast there will be accident. i think it stupid to fine the driver of 10min late. we should put pressure to LTA to have traffic give way to public bus service using the expressway. one way is to ban big truck from usinig expressway during peak hours. other way to have a give way lane in expressway like YOG for public bus service.
Originally posted by SBS5010P:119 is bo bian cause its DDs and buses are controlled by LTA..
That time i talked to a bc driving 402 and he said LTA control the frequency and deployments of the BSEP bus svcs very strictly.. If you are late more than 10 mins BCs are fined. SBST has hardly any say in this afterall BSEP is under the government's control.
Where got late BC kena penalised?There must be a valid reason why he is late..Afaik they only penalised when youre early more than 10minutes..If like that you think many ppl wanna become BCs?
Originally posted by lemon1974:dun complain about weekend frequency.... almost every service have poor weekend frequency... there is lesser demand and obviously, SBST can put in more buses on weekend but then who is going to pay for the BC's OT? obviously, SBST have the data/loading level to determine how many buses they need to deploy on weekend..
Pls check carefully..AT LEAST 168 have reasonable frequency[<13mins on avg] + reasonable capacity supplied for weekends. 161 is far too unacceptable. You have 20mins+ waiting time for a single deck.
Back to topic..[of the capacity]
I don't see the reason why SBST can't make it full fleet DD for 161 on weekends? Even if they don't give a damn about the frequency, at least deploy full fleet DD like 168?
Originally posted by lemon1974:he is complaining about the poor frequency on weekend for sv161, not for weekday (cos he only taking during weekend).. sv168 also have similar frequency on weekend and he never complain? lots of SMRT services also have poor frequency on weekend, he also never complain?
So sorry to say, I take 161 on both weekdays n weekends occasionally. Same for 168. 161 is indeed rubbish on weekends.
SMRT is in the mist of "upgrading", I won't put much comments until all DDs/A24s are settled down..
Just to make things clearer..
I am originally talking about the capacities. I included the frequency because these 2 factors made the svc rubbish and it's also an issue.
SBST should limit the no. of SDs to 3 MAX for weekends...not 4-6, if they don't fleet add.
They have more than enough to do so, so I don't see why they don't improve it.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Where got late BC kena penalised?There must be a valid reason why he is late..Afaik they only penalised when youre early more than 10minutes..If like that you think many ppl wanna become BCs?
Actually without valid reason, 10mins earlier or late will tio fine.. Take note only BSEP svcs only so strict. Trunk services not under BSEP like 402 the bc told me he can suka suka arrive and depart earlier or later than usual. He told me got some bcs chiong then reach terminal 12mins earlier then go there sleep. If im not wrong there's some buttons that the BC can activate eg. Wheelchair boarding or traffic jam etc so it will readjust the timing of the stipulated arrival time at the terminal and also to sync with the IRIS arrival timings.
If you dont believe me it's up to you afterall im not a BC. Take everything with a pinch of salt
Originally posted by TIB429E:Just to make things clearer..
I am originally talking about the capacities. I included the frequency because these 2 factors made the svc rubbish and it's also an issue.
SBST should limit the no. of SDs to 3 MAX for weekends...not 4-6, if they don't fleet add.
They have more than enough to do so, so I don't see why they don't improve it.
Maybe because the BCs driving weekends shifts dont have DD license? Or maybe SBST thinks that 161 on weekends are doing okay? Is it true that there are Malaysian BCs driving 161 and 168? AFAIK they are only authorised to drive 160, 170/170X and 950.
Originally posted by SBS5010P:Maybe because the BCs driving weekends shifts dont have DD license? Or maybe SBST thinks that 161 on weekends are doing okay? Is it true that there are Malaysian BCs driving 161 and 168? AFAIK they are only authorised to drive 160, 170/170X and 950.
Nah..among the BCs driving SDs on weekends, at least half of them are DD license.
Originally posted by TIB429E:Nah..among the BCs driving SDs on weekends, at least half of them are DD license.
Guess it's the management's problem. HGDEP is pretty rigid in terms of deploying DDs and the number of buses on their fully controlled routes.
Originally posted by SBS5010P:Guess it's the management's problem. HGDEP is pretty rigid in terms of deploying DDs and the number of buses on their fully controlled routes.
The only time I have ever seen a SD on a DD slot on 43/M since last year was last month when SBS6500K did SBS3431X slot
Originally posted by TIB429E:Pls check carefully..AT LEAST 168 have reasonable frequency[<13mins on avg] + reasonable capacity supplied for weekends. 161 is far too unacceptable. You have 20mins+ waiting time for a single deck.
Back to topic..[of the capacity]
I don't see the reason why SBST can't make it full fleet DD for 161 on weekends? Even if they don't give a damn about the frequency, at least deploy full fleet DD like 168?
there is no 20mins frequency for sv161 on weekend.. do check first. average frequency for sv161 during weekend is around 13-14 mins as well..
obviously SBST have the loading data, and they think that sv161 does not require full DDs on weekend. just because 1-2 trips of the SD are having more paxes does not warrant to upgrade to DD slots for the entire day.
Originally posted by lemon1974:there is no 20mins frequency for sv161 on weekend.. do check first. average frequency for sv161 during weekend is around 13-14 mins as well..
obviously SBST have the loading data, and they think that sv161 does not require full DDs on weekend. just because 1-2 trips of the SD are having more paxes does not warrant to upgrade to DD slots for the entire day.
Dude, rode 161 a few times on weekends, did experienced frequency of 20mins twice already.
Is their loading data even accurate?? Look at their P564, their figure(of 35 pax) and the actual is more than expected. Even if it's an average, are you going to deploy a "just nice" capacity bus out? There's ought to have some +/- of 5(eg.)
Originally posted by TIB429E:Dude, rode 161 a few times on weekends, did experienced frequency of 20mins twice already.
Is their loading data even accurate?? Look at their P564, their figure(of 35 pax) and the actual is more than expected. Even if it's an average, are you going to deploy a "just nice" capacity bus out? There's ought to have some +/- of 5(eg.)
Your original point is invalid if you are only referring to weekends. Weekdays 161 is doing very well and comes at 10-12 minutes intervals with full fleet DDs. Never see people having problem getting in.
Weekends frequency maybe low but that is for most services, no!? I ever see empty buses running on weekends on most services except those connecting malls/orchard road/little india areas.
Originally posted by TIB429E:Dude, rode 161 a few times on weekends, did experienced frequency of 20mins twice already.
Is their loading data even accurate?? Look at their P564, their figure(of 35 pax) and the actual is more than expected. Even if it's an average, are you going to deploy a "just nice" capacity bus out? There's ought to have some +/- of 5(eg.)
twice? all frequencies are subject to traffic condition etc... so how do you measure the frequency? purposely miss one bus and then time to see when the next bus arrive?
i dun have the loading data, but obviously SBST have all the loading or else, how are they going to plan for the deployment of buses....
as for Sv564,SBST is wrong in deploying that particular KUB most likely due to starter fault.. human make error and starter might have forget to deploy Citaro that day...
However, there are obviously some bus fans who purposely go joy ride on that trip, (thus hogging up the seats).. why would a guy who stay in TPY and is an undergraduate , end up taking Sv564 at farrer road to shenton way? and he is already starting to take video even before the bus arrive at the first bus stop at holland road. i am not sure how many bus fans are in that particular KUB....
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Your original point is invalid if you are only referring to weekends. Weekdays 161 is doing very well and comes at 10-12 minutes intervals with full fleet DDs. Never see people having problem getting in.
Weekends frequency maybe low but that is for most services, no!? I ever see empty buses running on weekends on most services except those connecting malls/orchard road/little india areas.
he is expecting full fleet DDs and maybe 5 mins frequency for his favourite 161 on weekends.... maybe he should take sv965 instead or take a cab if he cant even wait around 13-15 mins during weekend....
Originally posted by SBS5010P:Actually without valid reason, 10mins earlier or late will tio fine.. Take note only BSEP svcs only so strict. Trunk services not under BSEP like 402 the bc told me he can suka suka arrive and depart earlier or later than usual. He told me got some bcs chiong then reach terminal 12mins earlier then go there sleep. If im not wrong there's some buttons that the BC can activate eg. Wheelchair boarding or traffic jam etc so it will readjust the timing of the stipulated arrival time at the terminal and also to sync with the IRIS arrival timings.
If you dont believe me it's up to you afterall im not a BC. Take everything with a pinch of salt
Come GCM, every service, every bus, and every duty is going to take on the current BSEP standards.
There is no point for operations to discriminate one particular service over another because the penalties and requirements will all be the same.
Originally posted by lemon1974:twice? all frequencies are subject to traffic condition etc... so how do you measure the frequency? purposely miss one bus and then time to see when the next bus arrive?
i dun have the loading data, but obviously SBST have all the loading or else, how are they going to plan for the deployment of buses....
as for Sv564,SBST is wrong in deploying that particular KUB most likely due to starter fault.. human make error and starter might have forget to deploy Citaro that day...
However, there are obviously some bus fans who purposely go joy ride on that trip, (thus hogging up the seats).. why would a guy who stay in TPY and is an undergraduate , end up taking Sv564 at farrer road to shenton way? and he is already starting to take video even before the bus arrive at the first bus stop at holland road. i am not sure how many bus fans are in that particular KUB....
All frequency are based on the waiting time + iris. At that point of time, there were no indications of any jams along the route. So I just don't know why they can't get rid or reduce the no. of SDs running.
Further more, HGDEP have plenty of DDs and yet they are don't deploy them out. I have also see inconsistency deployment throughout the weekends. So are you going to saying that this week there will be less riders than last week?
For the P564, I heard SBST deployed 2 Citaros and there were 38 pax. So obviously even if they deployed 1 Citaro/E5 KUB, there's still ppl unable to board.
I believe that bus fan(s) have already knew that P564 have some capacity issues when a 45-seater bus is pulled out of svc.
And regardless of the no. of bus fan(s), SBST should have think of the possibilites of more commuters[including those that made last min adjustment]. There isn't a fixed name list of those who rides P564 daily...
Originally posted by TIB429E:All frequency are based on the waiting time + iris. At that point of time, there were no indications of any jams along the route. So I just don't know why they can't get rid or reduce the no. of SDs running.
Further more, HGDEP have plenty of DDs and yet they are don't deploy them out. I have also see inconsistency deployment throughout the weekends. So are you going to saying that this week there will be less riders than last week?
For the P564, I heard SBST deployed 2 Citaros and there were 38 pax. So obviously even if they deployed 1 Citaro/E5 KUB, there's still ppl unable to board.
I believe that bus fan(s) have already knew that P564 have some capacity issues when a 45-seater bus is pulled out of svc.
And regardless of the no. of bus fan(s), SBST should have think of the possibilites of more commuters[including those that made last min adjustment]. There isn't a fixed name list of those who rides P564 daily...
Deploy DD = wasted.. Deploy 2 buses also wasted. With the compulsory scrapping of the B10Ms its almost impossible to deploy a 46 seater bus unless SBST transfers the B10Ms back to premium svcs for this period of time.
If im in charge i would also be in a dillema. I'd rather SBST let out premium 546 to private bus operators with the capability of deploying 40 seater buses since they have alr let out some premium svcs to private operators and they are doing well.
Originally posted by SBS5010P:Deploy DD = wasted.. Deploy 2 buses also wasted. With the compulsory scrapping of the B10Ms its almost impossible to deploy a 46 seater bus unless SBST transfers the B10Ms back to premium svcs for this period of time.
If im in charge i would also be in a dillema. I'd rather SBST let out premium 546 to private bus operators with the capability of deploying 40 seater buses since they have alr let out some premium svcs to private operators and they are doing well.
Actually I would deploy E5 KUB/Citaro with foldable seats. Or really let out to Private bus operators.
This made me wonder what about P587..the svc that used TIB612S with extra 4 seats to MAN A22..
Originally posted by TIB429E:Actually I would deploy E5 KUB/Citaro with foldable seats. Or really let out to Private bus operators.
This made me wonder what about P587..the svc that used TIB612S with extra 4 seats to MAN A22..
If i am the minister i will not allow public transport operator like smrt or sbst to bid for the runing of premium bus service and also remove this stupid rule of non standing on the bus. and made this premium bus service a full day operation. after peak hour the timing can reduce to 30min or 60 min if low demand. i think the origanal idea is having mini bus or coach on the service, then come sbst and smrt bidding for the service which i think is unfair for private operator.
Premium svc should have at least 2 trips running to be safe,Win win situation lor
actually if SBST wants they can convert some Euro IV KUBs to non-wabs and add 10 more seats after removing the wheelchair bays then deploy them permanently on premium svcs. Other then that can deploy on Express Bus Services and Training. No way they will be deployed on basic bus svcs when they are still hit the full WAB fleet before 2030.
How many DD buses does HGDEP have in total?
Originally posted by SBS5010P:actually if SBST wants they can convert some Euro IV KUBs to non-wabs and add 10 more seats after removing the wheelchair bays then deploy them permanently on premium svcs. Other then that can deploy on Express Bus Services and Training. No way they will be deployed on basic bus svcs when they are still hit the full WAB fleet before 2030.
SBST can actually consider putting more pairs of seats in the rear portion, legroom in KUBs can be quite spacious actually, in addition to the conversion of seats on the Euro IVs
Originally posted by Guides anyone?:SBST can actually consider putting more pairs of seats in the rear portion, legroom in KUBs can be quite spacious actually, in addition to the conversion of seats on the Euro IVs
AFAIK most of the Euro IV KUBs have 2 wheelchairs bay but they are only allowed to let one PIW board the bus. SBST can convert the 2nd Wheelchair bay and put seats. I think can put 6 more seats with that space.
Personally i prefer KUBs because they have more leg room.