From what I know, Yishun will get more of Non-BSEP 5000X series, but later. In the meantime, most of BSEP DD bus have kept SP for Yishun
Originally posted by carbikebus:If Amdep is that big there is no need for Wl to part control 171,852,854,857 la dey,Understand or not?Wldep capacity 313,Woodlands Bus Park 240,Kranji is 250 max,Bulim 505 if completed and Ang Mo Kio being a depot only can take 170 buses the most thus you see why there is ONP at Yishun and Lor 1..
854 is AMDEP & WLDEP increasing capacity, now only WLDEP can handle DDs. 854 is DD friendly. previously was solely controlled by AMDEP.
one problem is depot capacity, the other is high dead mileage.
last 966 terminates at Marine Parade, has to return to WLDEP/WLBP.
Originally posted by SMB145B:854 is AMDEP & WLDEP increasing capacity, now only WLDEP can handle DDs. 854 is DD friendly. previously was solely controlled by AMDEP.
one problem is depot capacity, the other is high dead mileage.
last 966 terminates at Marine Parade, has to return to WLDEP/WLBP.
Like i dont know like that..I am ex SBST and SMRT BC,Ever based in Hgdep,Bndep & Amdep respectively..I alrdy know SMRT problem eons ago.Amdep is the main reason.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Like i dont know like that..I am ex SBST and SMRT BC,Ever based in Hgdep,Bndep & Amdep respectively..I alrdy know SMRT problem eons ago.Amdep is the main reason.
Hi mr carbikebus, those who come from the exact industry must be correct! Cheers.
If SMRT wins Bulim contract, Bulim can take in 167, 176 , 851(Bukit Merah Side), 178, 187, 180, 852 (Bukit Batok side), 188, 855 , 963 (Harbourfront).
Bukit Panjang services all go full KJDEP, while KJDEP can let go BB services. For AMDEP can take all the eastern services and CBD ones.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:From SBST side:
85 - 0
39 - 1 BSEP, 5 CGBP SBST
I'm just curious, how did you arrive at the exact number '5' for the possible non-BSEP DDs for Sv 39? I mean, I keep seeing you repeat the same number combination (1 BSEP, 5 non-BSEP DDs) with regards to possible DDs for Sv 39 on diff threads.
Is there a specific reason or calculation that led you to arrive at those numbers?
Originally posted by swee_heng:If SMRT wins Bulim contract, Bulim can take in 167, 176 , 851(Bukit Merah Side), 178, 187, 180, 852 (Bukit Batok side), 188, 855 , 963 (Harbourfront).
Bukit Panjang services all go full KJDEP, while KJDEP can let go BB services. For AMDEP can take all the eastern services and CBD ones.
For 851 852 going to bulim is a no.
851 I am not sure if some of them have downroutes, it will incur more time if the downroute is somewhere near AMK/Bishan area.
852 would mean more time wasted to go YI (Things can change but don't think they will want to play around with the time going to YI)
The rest just needs proper scheduling especially 178 187 180.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:961 cannot amdep full control, just need to balance the duty. Half of wldep duties start from GL1, meal there, chg shift there and the last bus also from wldep wich is jialat. 966 also some duties start from marine parade and last bus end at marine parade and go all the way back to depot. 167 also another one half of wldep start at bukit merah.
There is a great imbalance of duties wich cause alot of wastage of fuels travelling to n fro depot to starting point.
882 stay at wldep better so near to wldep than amdep, last time 882 onp at sbw n had to refuel at amdep wich is far.
858 wise, buses that ends at T2 and not going back woodlands will go back to amdep. 858A duties stay at wldep.
857 need minimum 10 DDs.
I am curious. Does 961 still end some of their shifts early?
Originally posted by SMB31X:I am curious. Does 961 still end some of their shifts early?
The earliest they end is 2315 or 2320. Then got last bus wich is from wldep not amdep. Then next to end is at 2340
852,3-4 duties can goes to Bulim..First 3 bus start from Bt Batok la dey
As for 851 Its better 18 Wldep & 4 Amdep duties start from Yishun onwards and 5 duties start from Bt Merah for the first bus timings..
854 12 Wldep duties start from Yishun and 14 Amdep duties start from Bedok
855 same scenario with 851
857 a few Amdep duties start from Suntec and end at Suntec
858 Last 3 Amdep duties end at Airport as well as first 3 Amdep start from Airport or Yishun towards Airport
176,188 & 964,3-4 duties should start from Bulim as it is a west side service
Now you know what is dead mileage or fuel wasting?
Originally posted by TIB 585L:The earliest they end is 2315 or 2320. Then got last bus wich is from wldep not amdep. Then next to end is at 2340
961 Should be 20 Wldep and 11 Amdep..
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:I'm just curious, how did you arrive at the exact number '5' for the possible non-BSEP DDs for Sv 39? I mean, I keep seeing you repeat the same number combination (1 BSEP, 5 non-BSEP DDs) with regards to possible DDs for Sv 39 on diff threads.
Is there a specific reason or calculation that led you to arrive at those numbers?
It is taking into account, the number of AM peak buses on sv 39 that are packed-to-door (PTD). These are from Yishun to Tampines sector in AM, opposite in PM.
Also, given the # of BTO complexes getting ready for possession in Yishun town, you can expect the loading on services to only increase in future (given there are no new trunk services introduced in this area yet).
As above, 851/4/7
Not 855 as fleet add will do
Rem bendies are to do feeder...
Whether 860 is considered a feeder or trunk depends on how how LTA inteprets it , if not it will be bendy
860 might be extended at a later date..If that's the case then justify for DDs.962 i do hope can get extend as well..855 need 2 more buses no need DDs,Just tweak the freq for both peak hours will do...WL/AM...Last 3 buses to HBF should be from AM side.851 and 854 do need a lot of DDs if they keen on keeping the svc else im not surprised if Yishun kena 2nd tender package
Originally posted by Acx1688:As above, 851/4/7
Not 855 as fleet add will do
Rem bendies are to do feeder...
Whether 860 is considered a feeder or trunk depends on how how LTA inteprets it , if not it will be bendy
860 will be interpreted as trunk.
Even 181 also trunk though some feeders is plying more longer route than it
Originally posted by carbikebus:Even 181 also trunk though some feeders is plying more longer route than it
I think 181 also might get extended in future to Bulim area.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:I think 181 also might get extended in future to Bulim area.
When 181 was introduced almost ten years ago, on 9 January 2005, it was most likely a short term measure to provide bus connection into Jurong West Street 24/25, while relieve loading from 243 at Jurong West Street 64/75.
There may be long term plans in the past to have feeder bus services plying directly (via Jalan Boon Lay and Jalan Bahar) to Jurong West Street 24/25 when there are more residential developments, when Bulim/Wenya was still designated for Housing.
Now is just 181 providing bus service into Jurong West Street 24/25 from Boon Lay Bus Interchange, with 185 providing bus service into Jurong West Street 24/25 from Jurong West Extension and Jurong West New Town, excluding Taman Jurong. (Possible new BSEP [eg. route extension to 49], from Taman Jurong to Bulim?)
Bus ride on 181 from Jurong West Street 25/23 to Boon Lay Bus Interchange is around 15 to 20 minutes. Meanwhile, bus ride on 199/172 from Jalan Bahar to Boon Lay Bus Interchange is around 10 minutes.
As mentioned previously, there are (were) plans to re-route 181 to loop around Bulim Industrial Estate and use Jalan Bahar (Westwood Secondary School) to return to Jurong West Avenue 5. However, looking at the developments now, I do not think 181 will be re-routed soon.
860 might consider to use DD. At least 1-2 will be fine.
waiting for 851 and 855 to get DD buses.
Just now I got saw plastic signage bus services installed at Yishun Temp, but they are bedok services. Looks like they reusing the plastic signage and its frame
Originally posted by SMB3095S:860 might consider to use DD. At least 1-2 will be fine.
860 will get more DDs...
Im not suprised if LTA decided to buy 50-60 BSEP bendies
Will MAN A24s be under BSEP or just their own batch? If they are BSEP, 860 might get these, if not, 860 will get E500s. Such as 964, a trunk route which serves around Woodlands. At least 964 got bendy buses, and their distance is a bit shorter than 860. If 964 can get high capacity buses, why not 860? Except that 860 is a BSEP service, it will have a high chance of getting E500s. 4-5 E500s for peak hours and 1-2 for off peak hours.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Im not suprised if LTA decided to buy 50-60 BSEP bendies
I doubt it as they would have not waited so long... would have placed order in 2011/2012 only... I am sure LTA did realize that they are buying so many HC buses for SBST but none for SMRT... they could have bought at least some... but LTA refused to buy any HC until SMRT opted for DDs... arm twisting eh!?