Originally posted by randomguy10:855 need meh? I would be interested to see how DDs fair on 860, after the failure on 964. BSEP very stubborn uh, still insist to keep that DD on 964. Honestly, 860 is better suited for Bendys but since its under BSEP, no choice. But is the route suitable to DDs in terms of the turns it has to make?
For 856, its worth a try but IMO, no urgency unless its upgrading of BSEP SD slots. 856 has a majority bendy fleet now anyway, I would rather the DDs be used for SD--> DD conversions than Bendy--> DD conversions as far as the 201 ADLs are concerned. The O405G Habits are here to stay till atleast 2017 (given they are being refurbished) so when the time comes, SMRT can explore doing do Bendy--> DD conversion instead of a Bendy--> Bendy conversion for 856.
How BSEP is stubborn? BSEP is saving SMRT and its lack of high capacity buses. What do you prefer from BSEP to have A22 on 964 rather than E500? Seriously? How can you even call the trial failed? If it was SMRT that changed a bendy slot to DD, I would have agreed with your argument. But for a high loading service like 964 during peak hours you need high capacity buses.
If this is your reasoning and you observe all JIS services and 78/79 in non-peak hours, you will not find many people. So SBST stupid to have all these services either full fleet DD or almost full fleet DD?
Originally posted by randomguy10:855 need meh? I would be interested to see how DDs fair on 860, after the failure on 964. BSEP very stubborn uh, still insist to keep that DD on 964. Honestly, 860 is better suited for Bendys but since its under BSEP, no choice. But is the route suitable to DDs in terms of the turns it has to make?
For 856, its worth a try but IMO, no urgency unless its upgrading of BSEP SD slots. 856 has a majority bendy fleet now anyway, I would rather the DDs be used for SD--> DD conversions than Bendy--> DD conversions as far as the 201 ADLs are concerned. The O405G Habits are here to stay till atleast 2017 (given they are being refurbished) so when the time comes, SMRT can explore doing do Bendy--> DD conversion instead of a Bendy--> Bendy conversion for 856.
855 can def have the 2 BSEP slots converted to DD. Loading justifies it. I will also prefer to see E500s on 860 than the A22s. When it comes to 856, I agree with you there is no need to introduce DDs on this service. There aren't enough, so let this be a full bendy service with 1 BSEP that can be DD.
Originally posted by randomguy10:For 851, OC--> DD. This service also similar case to 854. Need more high capacity buses so no bendy-->DDs for now. But DDs will be used well because mostly plying in non-SMRT dominated territory and people travel mid haul for this service. Bendys are doing fine but since this service is WAB, it cant have too many O405Gs
851 does not do very well with bendies. Always prone to congestion near Tiong Bahru. This is the reason it has lost so many bendy slots to SD. They should first do SD --> DD and gradually Bendy --> DD on this service.
854 is okay with bendies right now, the 2 BSEP slots can be converted to DD.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:851 does not do very well with bendies. Always prone to congestion near Tiong Bahru. This is the reason it has lost so many bendy slots to SD. They should first do SD --> DD and gradually Bendy --> DD on this service.
854 is okay with bendies right now, the 2 BSEP slots can be converted to DD.
854 shouldnt have rigid in the first place, Bloody hell crowded to the door at YCK to Yishun, 857 rigid also the same crowded to the door. Luckily short distance to Yishun. 857 the crowd is from town, i had bad experience on 857 rigid. Freaking crowded bus and frequency sux.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:855 can def have the 2 BSEP slots converted to DD. Loading justifies it. I will also prefer to see E500s on 860 than the A22s. When it comes to 856, I agree with you there is no need to introduce DDs on this service. There aren't enough, so let this be a full bendy service with 1 BSEP that can be DD.
If 856 have DD,it will be like JIS svc lor.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:854 shouldnt have rigid in the first place, Bloody hell crowded to the door at YCK to Yishun, 857 rigid also the same crowded to the door. Luckily short distance to Yishun. 857 the crowd is from town, i had bad experience on 857 rigid. Freaking crowded bus and frequency sux.
857 is the WORST managed sv under SMRT. Only that no video was shot. How can such a high loading service not have bendies? Good at least now they are committed to give it DDs. I feel there has to be some turning issue somewhere... otherwise such a high loading service not getting bendies is very strange.. that too a service that is CBD bound.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:857 is the WORST managed sv under SMRT. Only that no video was shot. How can such a high loading service not have bendies? Good at least now they are committed to give it DDs. I feel there has to be some turning issue somewhere... otherwise such a high loading service not getting bendies is very strange.. that too a service that is CBD bound.
And it passed by CTE wich is confirm high loading coz it is faster.
Yeah ok you are right, a DD on 964 would do better than an A22. But this is where I feel SMRT and LTA should come to terms and not have double standards. If let SMRT purchase A24s already, they should take some under BSEP also and deploy them to services which are more suited for bendy.
For 851, the Bendy slots were reduced because of jams along tiong bahru meh? I thot was more because it became a WAB service. But now that you say it, 851 good to use DDs cos it goes through quite alot of congested areas.
I ride on 854 and 857 regularly. Yes SD is a no-go on 854 especially during peak hours. Non-peak still ok. I am sure BSEP will convert the 2 slots to DDs. SMRT side, I hope they convert another 2 SDs to high capacity too be it Bendy or DD. But with the number of MAN A22s SMRT has, i doubt this service will ever go 100% high capacity (Non-peak doesnt demand it too). But still priority to 857 to get DDs because it has no bendys at all. Did the weekend bendy slots disappear after closing of Bencoolen street because of the turns or issit because of the 857 berth too troublesome for bendy (last time even on weekends the bendys dont park there permanently- they drive in to board)? SMRT sure to have spare bendys from 184/964 for weekends mah. Though I highly doubt bencoolen street because DDs can turn. If I am not wrong I have taken a bendy on 857 even after the diversion
Originally posted by randomguy10:Yeah ok you are right, a DD on 964 would do better than an A22. But this is where I feel SMRT and LTA should come to terms and not have double standards. If let SMRT purchase A24s already, they should take some under BSEP also and deploy them to services which are more suited for bendy.
For 851, the Bendy slots were reduced because of jams along tiong bahru meh? I thot was more because it became a WAB service. But now that you say it, 851 good to use DDs cos it goes through quite alot of congested areas.I ride on 854 and 857 regularly. Yes SD is a no-go on 854 especially during peak hours. Non-peak still ok. I am sure BSEP will convert the 2 slots to DDs. SMRT side, I hope they convert another 2 SDs to high capacity too be it Bendy or DD. But with the number of MAN A22s SMRT has, i doubt this service will ever go 100% high capacity (Non-peak doesnt demand it too). But still priority to 857 to get DDs because it has no bendys at all. Did the weekend bendy slots disappear after closing of Bencoolen street because of the turns or issit because of the 857 berth too troublesome for bendy (last time even on weekends the bendys dont park there permanently- they drive in to board)? SMRT sure to have spare bendys from 184/964 for weekends mah. Though I highly doubt bencoolen street because DDs can turn. If I am not wrong I have taken a bendy on 857 even after the diversion
I am speculating here... but i think they stopped bendy slot on weekends bcoz ppl might have complained to have it on weekdays also. and given it is a cbd, suntec bound service, it must be frustrating office-goers that sv 857 has bendy on weekends but not weekdays. So instead of giving bendies on weekdays also, smrt decided to just not give it any until it got DDs. As I said, this is my personal opinion.
Yishun service that ought to get DDs from my personal observation is of course 851,Why?Simple..quite a numbers do take the service to Chinatown..Convert 9 slots including the 6 bendy duties to DDs might be a good start..5 full day and 4 split shift.
Next is 854,Bendy buses prove to be a bane at Bedok Int thus you see many bendy slots are reduced..Can convert 14 SD/Bendy slots to DDs might be better..Gradually can convert another 4 SD slots to DD again if the A95 buses come..Off peak also can be packed..
857 another clusterfark service,Weekdays only need 6 DDs the most,Weekends will be good if 3 full day and 2 TQ shift are running with DDs..Off peak demand dont justified for DD..
860?Unless they extend it further else then justified for DDs if not stick with A24
The one that need either majority or full DDs is 67,106,169,180,187,188,190,854,856,960,963,969 & 972
Actually Bedok interchange is doing fine with bendys on 854. As long as you dont have too many coming in at a go. Which really never happens on 854. So no hurry. Bendy slots are probably reduced due to shortages for bendys and excessive A22s lying around. For now upgrade SD to DD and keeping bendys is best to increase capacity. Hoping to convert 14 bendy duties is too ambitious... you gotta wait for 2nd production batch which will probably come in 2017 or late 2016. Anyway bendys are there to stay on 854 as long as AMDEP does partial control. WLDEP will nvr full control 854.
857 with DD could consider operating like 700/700A. Go CBD in the morning and loop suntec after office hrs/sundays
Originally posted by randomguy10:855 need meh? I would be interested to see how DDs fair on 860, after the failure on 964. BSEP very stubborn uh, still insist to keep that DD on 964. Honestly, 860 is better suited for Bendys but since its under BSEP, no choice. But is the route suitable to DDs in terms of the turns it has to make?
For 856, its worth a try but IMO, no urgency unless its upgrading of BSEP SD slots. 856 has a majority bendy fleet now anyway, I would rather the DDs be used for SD--> DD conversions than Bendy--> DD conversions as far as the 201 ADLs are concerned. The O405G Habits are here to stay till atleast 2017 (given they are being refurbished) so when the time comes, SMRT can explore doing do Bendy--> DD conversion instead of a Bendy--> Bendy conversion for 856.
964 double deck deployment is a failure? don't make me laugh. are u even a regular commuter of 964 or are you just parotting other people?
some people are quick to give damning opinions on something they don't even ride often
understand that LTA very likely has no interest in having bendy buses in our system at all but for now it's smrt's business what they want to buy and register, LTA can't do anything about it for now until parts of the bus fleet is under it's control. however, they'll of course top up the orders with additional BSEP orders if they need it, obviously they don't see a need for BSEP A24s so it's irrelevant to say LTA is applying double standards by 'allowing' smrt to register a24s but not buy any of them under BSEP. it's all part of planning for the fleet in the future. even if they are registered under BSEP in spite of LTA having no interest in having bendies, what will happen to those a24s in the 2020s , barely 6-7 years old, when the whole system is under the contract model? rot at roadside? if LTA wanted bendies they would buy them now not later.
Originally posted by randomguy10:Actually Bedok interchange is doing fine with bendys on 854. As long as you dont have too many coming in at a go. Which really never happens on 854. So no hurry. Bendy slots are probably reduced due to shortages for bendys and excessive A22s lying around. For now upgrade SD to DD and keeping bendys is best to increase capacity. Hoping to convert 14 bendy duties is too ambitious... you gotta wait for 2nd production batch which will probably come in 2017 or late 2016. Anyway bendys are there to stay on 854 as long as AMDEP does partial control. WLDEP will nvr full control 854.
Wldep will never ever full control 854 even though its 9 slots are all DDs..Distance for off service to Bedok is just far compared to Amdep.But again Amdep cant fully control Yishun due to the size of the depot..How long are they gonna park at Yishun Int & Lor 1 Geylang?Unless if they win the Seletar Depot contract then things will change for sure..
The only option is they must control all the Yishun feeders with bendy is to reduce their partial duties with other depot.
Ok I dont take 964 regularly. I only saw how it loads up at WRI.
Hmm LTA is the governing body of Land transport. The PTOs CANNOT buy buses without LTA approval be it with or without bus contracting model. The 40 A24s were definitely bought under LTA approval. LTA could have just said no to SMRT if it wanted, SMRT has to go by governing rules. Once again let me remind you SMRT is owned by Temasek Holdings and I dont need to mention who owns Temasek holdings. You wont see LTA letting SMRT buy now and ask it to fly kite in future.
The fact that Bendys in future will not be used like they are used today and LTA doesnt want to increase the bendy population is true but you cant say bendys will not be used future. They cant buy new bendys now without retiring the older O405Gs. SBST is not going to go out of its comfort zone and buy bendys now and LTA wont see a need to force it upon SBST to use bendys now when they are going to take over the fleet in future. I believe LTA will be objective and buy the right type of buses in future when they have more depots and parking space. Wherever can use DD, LTA will surely choose DDs. But there are bound to be services that are more suited for bendy and services that cannot use DDs. We will see what LTA does in future - but the fact is LTA cant do much now with its limited depot resources and LTA governs purchase of new bus models even now be they BSEP or non-BSEP.
And FYI, there are close to 150 DD units that will retire after 2017 (Batch 3 VO, VSO and Tridents)
get more SD buses la after 2017 onwards as DTL start operating the passengers demand for bus service will be drop unless LTA have express bus service whole day to the city area or jurong area or Kaki bukit area
Originally posted by wsy1234:get more SD buses la after 2017 onwards as DTL start operating the passengers demand for bus service will be drop unless LTA have express bus service whole day to the city area or jurong area or Kaki bukit area
Once the E500s come in, confirm got excess A22s.
Originally posted by wsy1234:get more SD buses la after 2017 onwards as DTL start operating the passengers demand for bus service will be drop unless LTA have express bus service whole day to the city area or jurong area or Kaki bukit area
There will still be trunk services that experience high demand even when the DTL/TEL/CRL/JRL are operational. MRT lines cannot totally take over the roles of existing bus services.
And with train service disruptions becoming more and more frequent nowadays, it is good to leave some trunk services which does not duplicate the MRT excessively around running as backups. High capacity buses need not be deployed for such routes on normal days, but when a train disruption occurs, high cap buses can be pulled to these semi-duplicating trunk routes to help out with the sudden increases in demand.
Originally posted by randomguy10:Ok I dont take 964 regularly. I only saw how it loads up at WRI.
Hmm LTA is the governing body of Land transport. The PTOs CANNOT buy buses without LTA approval be it with or without bus contracting model. The 40 A24s were definitely bought under LTA approval. LTA could have just said no to SMRT if it wanted, SMRT has to go by governing rules. Once again let me remind you SMRT is owned by Temasek Holdings and I dont need to mention who owns Temasek holdings. You wont see LTA letting SMRT buy now and ask it to fly kite in future.
The fact that Bendys in future will not be used like they are used today and LTA doesnt want to increase the bendy population is true but you cant say bendys will not be used future. They cant buy new bendys now without retiring the older O405Gs. SBST is not going to go out of its comfort zone and buy bendys now and LTA wont see a need to force it upon SBST to use bendys now when they are going to take over the fleet in future. I believe LTA will be objective and buy the right type of buses in future when they have more depots and parking space. Wherever can use DD, LTA will surely choose DDs. But there are bound to be services that are more suited for bendy and services that cannot use DDs. We will see what LTA does in future - but the fact is LTA cant do much now with its limited depot resources and LTA governs purchase of new bus models even now be they BSEP or non-BSEP.
And FYI, there are close to 150 DD units that will retire after 2017 (Batch 3 VO, VSO and Tridents)
All the time you kept talking about failure of DDs on 964 I thought you take daily. Now I read that you observe at WRI. Ofcourse WRI is not the peak loading for 964, Admiralty is. Most MRT goers will board/alight at Admiralty and that's where you see even the bendies packed to door. At WRI, even bendies have ok loading because so many options to go along ave 7.
Originally posted by wsy1234:get more SD buses la after 2017 onwards as DTL start operating the passengers demand for bus service will be drop unless LTA have express bus service whole day to the city area or jurong area or Kaki bukit area
It depends how routes are planned. For instance, if a person lives along Tampines Ave 5 and works at Macpherson road, he will still prefer to take sv 65 than take bus or walk to MRT, take DTL3 and then again walk/bus from Mattar or Geylang Bahru.
So really depends how buses provide more point to point service. MRT lines and buses should complement each other, and not duplicate.
Originally posted by randomguy10:Ok I dont take 964 regularly. I only saw how it loads up at WRI.
Hmm LTA is the governing body of Land transport. The PTOs CANNOT buy buses without LTA approval be it with or without bus contracting model. The 40 A24s were definitely bought under LTA approval. LTA could have just said no to SMRT if it wanted, SMRT has to go by governing rules. Once again let me remind you SMRT is owned by Temasek Holdings and I dont need to mention who owns Temasek holdings. You wont see LTA letting SMRT buy now and ask it to fly kite in future.
The fact that Bendys in future will not be used like they are used today and LTA doesnt want to increase the bendy population is true but you cant say bendys will not be used future. They cant buy new bendys now without retiring the older O405Gs. SBST is not going to go out of its comfort zone and buy bendys now and LTA wont see a need to force it upon SBST to use bendys now when they are going to take over the fleet in future. I believe LTA will be objective and buy the right type of buses in future when they have more depots and parking space. Wherever can use DD, LTA will surely choose DDs. But there are bound to be services that are more suited for bendy and services that cannot use DDs. We will see what LTA does in future - but the fact is LTA cant do much now with its limited depot resources and LTA governs purchase of new bus models even now be they BSEP or non-BSEP.
And FYI, there are close to 150 DD units that will retire after 2017 (Batch 3 VO, VSO and Tridents)
I have no idea what weed you are smoking. But boy, the mere whiff of it is making me a little high too.
You mean you aspire to become the top guy at Temasek Holdings.....to tell your kar kia what buses to buy?
Gee. That sounds way too easy. I also want.
I am just merely saying Temasek Holdings (owners of SMRT) are not stupid. You wont expect them to be so short-sighted to just buy some 40 A24s for fun now and having a problem in 6-7years later. They are no small players in the market. They would have evaluated the decision thoroughly before making it.
those A24 other than use for normal feeder also use in MRT train problems. but only 40 i think it too less should at 100. LTA should look into building BRT service for new HDB towns and upgrade inter town services. mean have bus lanes where no other transport can enter and the bus can skip traffic light at the main roads. LRT is no the right transport for HDB town feeder service.