Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:When they do planning for new towns, they should allocate enough space for bus interchanges. To save space they can make it within mall - that is okay. But have sufficient lots for multiple services.
Bidadari, Tengah, Woodlands North, Tampines North all should have big interchanges. Upset to see that Bidadari interchange will have only 5 services (at least the press release says so).
Although we are moving towards the era of having more and more services at interchanges, my personal view is that the older 1980s system of dual interchange/terminal is more effective in some towns.
Let me give an example with Yishun New Town:
Instead of the current 1 large interchange concept, 2 additional terminals (1 around yishun industrial area, and 1 around khatib/orchid country club area) could be used to reduce reliance on feeder services and reduce traffic flow into the interchange.
Services heading south and east bound (e.g. 851-5, 39, 85, etc) could begin from the industrial area and travel along Ave 2 and pax living along the route no longer need to make a transfer into and out of the interchange.
Services heading west and north towards woodlands can begin from the area around country club, passing through khatib before continuing via chong pang and gambas.
This will reduce the interchange at yishun to mostly passengers transferring from MRT and travelling around yishun itself, and those areas not covered by these routes. As you already may know, it takes at least 10mins additional travel time to go into the interchange and out of it, not even taking into account of the bus waiting time.
If you still need to transfer, that is still possible by transferring at the key stops outside yishun mrt/int or any other stops that the services intersect at.
A better town for all?
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:When they do planning for new towns, they should allocate enough space for bus interchanges. To save space they can make it within mall - that is okay. But have sufficient lots for multiple services.
Bidadari, Tengah, Woodlands North, Tampines North all should have big interchanges. Upset to see that Bidadari interchange will have only 5 services (at least the press release says so).
Bidadari need big interchange to cater to 11000 housing units ? There are so many bus services passing by n a mrt station right at door step.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:When they do planning for new towns, they should allocate enough space for bus interchanges. To save space they can make it within mall - that is okay. But have sufficient lots for multiple services.
Bidadari, Tengah, Woodlands North, Tampines North all should have big interchanges. Upset to see that Bidadari interchange will have only 5 services (at least the press release says so).
In my opinion, I think the bus interchange at Tengah will be smaller than the ones at Bidadari, Woodlands North and Tampines North, because there will be Jurong Region Line going through Tengah, which would reduce the need for buses.
Originally posted by Rui jing:Qsn is will all the parking lots be able to fit the buses coming into the interchg? Mostly likely not. Now that bsep buses are added, more somewhat extra buses can be seen laying over at the side of interchgs like tampines..former sv8 sawtooth berth onwards can see buses laying over.
Meanwhile, the boarding berths at Eunos Bus Interchange are not fully occupied, which could mean there may be parking lots that are not utilised.
Today, there are only seven bus services at the Eunos Bus Interchange. According to Public Transport SG, there are thirty parking lots and four sawtooth berths, which means the Eunos Bus Interchange has the capacity for around fifteen bus services. The Eunos Bus Interchange can contain around eight more bus services.
I suppose LTA intends to use Eunos Bus Interchange as a complementary to Bedok Bus Interchange.
Two benefits:
Personally, I feel that if we were to shorten the Bedok-bound routes (7, 26, 30 and 30E) that ply Sims Avenue to terminate at Eunos Bus Interchange, Bedok Bus Interchange would be able to contain new bus services.
Likewise, at Tampines Bus Interchange, we could divert some services to Eunos Bus Interchange (28 and 67) to empty parking lots for new bus services.
Just wondering. When the operations at the temporary Bedok Bus Interchange moves to the new Bedok Bus Interchange, can we re-name "Bedok Temporary Bus Interchange" to "Bedok Bus Interchange 2" and use it as a complementary to Bedok Bus Interchange?
This is similar to the Spongebob Squarepants movie, where Mr Krabs opened the "Krusty Krab 2" restaurant right next to the original "Krusty Krab" restaurant. If we use the temporary facility as "Bedok Bus Interchange 2", there will be space for new bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange.
But then hor, if we have more bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange, will the surrounding infrastructure (roads and MRT) be able to cope with the increase in traffic?
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Just wondering. When the operations at the temporary Bedok Bus Interchange moves to the new Bedok Bus Interchange, can we re-name "Bedok Temporary Bus Interchange" to "Bedok Bus Interchange 2" and use it as a complementary to Bedok Bus Interchange?
This is similar to the Spongebob Squarepants movie, where Mr Krabs opened the "Krusty Krab 2" restaurant right next to the original "Krusty Krab" restaurant. If we use the temporary facility as "Bedok Bus Interchange 2", there will be space for new bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange.
But then hor, if we have more bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange, will the surrounding infrastructure (roads and MRT) be able to cope with the increase in traffic?
In the first place, do you think that the Bedok Temporary Bus Interchange will still be in operation after the air-conditioned bus interchange opened? This is a complete different case from the example you showed in your second paragraph in which the first restaurant is still in operation after the second restaurant opened. So no, I don't think it should be renamed.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Just wondering. When the operations at the temporary Bedok Bus Interchange moves to the new Bedok Bus Interchange, can we re-name "Bedok Temporary Bus Interchange" to "Bedok Bus Interchange 2" and use it as a complementary to Bedok Bus Interchange?
This is similar to the Spongebob Squarepants movie, where Mr Krabs opened the "Krusty Krab 2" restaurant right next to the original "Krusty Krab" restaurant. If we use the temporary facility as "Bedok Bus Interchange 2", there will be space for new bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange.
But then hor, if we have more bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange, will the surrounding infrastructure (roads and MRT) be able to cope with the increase in traffic?
Unlikely. Having 2 bus interchanges in Bedok will confuse people instead, so the temporary facility will likely be demolished.
Originally posted by SBS7557R:Unlikely. Having 2 bus interchanges in Bedok will confuse people instead, so the temporary facility will likely be demolished.
Can use temp int for trunk and new int for feeders and townlinks!
The new int can have faregates so as to save time while boarding (no need to tap in on bus and can use both doors).
Hard to come true la I know but I think this is pretty awesome so #juzsaying
Originally posted by carbikebus:Eunos int will not have a new svc till the demolision of the ind parks and new flats and roads are built..A lot of svc passing by the Int and its so well connected..For now may be a new svc to Alps Ave using 13 routes all the way to Loyang might be a good idea.
Well, my idea is that perhaps we can divert some services from Bedok Bus Interchange and Tampines Bus Interchange to Eunos Bus Interchange, so some parking lots at Bedok and Tampines can be emptied for new services at the respective two interchanges.
Alternatively, we can have a bus park somewhere between Bedok Bus Interchange and Tampines Bus Interchange, to park buses for some services at the respective bus interchanges.
It would be ideal if the routes of such services are those that pass by the bus park, so buses can be injected directly into service from the bus park, just like how the MRT trains are injected into the Circle, East West and North South Lines.
When there are parking lots at the bus park to park buses for the bus services, the bus services that have the buses park at the bus park no longer have to park their buses at the bus interchange, thus the parking lots they are using at the bus interchange would be empited. The emptied parking lots at the bus interchange can then be used to park buses for new services at the bus interchange.
The bus services that have their buses park at the bus park would continue to run using the same routes and go their respective bus interchange for passengers to alight and board.
Unlike the feeder bus services at Woodlands and Yishun, the buses on such bus services would only stop at the bus interchange for passengers to alight and board, and more on thereafter; the buses will not stop there for the bus driver to alight and take a short rest before going back to drive the bus.
The bus drivers of such bus services will not rest at the bus interchange, instead, the bus drivers of such bus services will rest at the bus park.
Similar to MRT, in the style of a "marathon", another driver will wait outside the bus park for the bus to arrive outside the bus park. When the bus is outside the bus park, the bus will stop, the bus driver will alight and go to the bus park to rest, while the next driver will board the bus and drive the bus from there. I would suggest having a bus stop outside the bus park, so that while this change of bus drivers take place, passengers can also board and alight the bus.
I understand that machines cannot keep running, otherwise the engine will overhead and be damaged. Hence, I would suggest a new plastic signboard that says "terminates at Bedok Bus Interchange"/"terminates at Tampines Bus Interchange" which the bus driver would place in the windscreen of the bus. For instance, when the bus is running the route for the second consecutive time, the bus driver can place the plastic signboard at the windscreen of the bus to indicate that all passengers have to alight at the bus interchange. After all passengers have alighted at the bus interchange, the bus will go on off-service mode to the bus park to rest, while a fresh bus from the bus park drives into the bus interchange to pick up passengers.
^that's for bus services that only use either Bedok or Tampines bus interchange, or ply between the two bus interchanges. For bus services that originate from another bus interchange, besides Bedok/Tampines bus interchange, the bus will continue to park at the other bus interchange, while whatever I suggested would apply when the bus is at Bedok/Tampines bus interchange. For such services, there will be no plastic signboard, since the buses would be resting at the other bus interchange.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
Well, my idea is that perhaps we can divert some services from Bedok Bus Interchange and Tampines Bus Interchange to Eunos Bus Interchange, so some parking lots at Bedok and Tampines can be emptied for new services at the respective two interchanges.Alternatively, we can have a bus park somewhere between Bedok Bus Interchange and Tampines Bus Interchange, to park buses for some services at the respective bus interchanges.
It would be ideal if the routes of such services are those that pass by the bus park, so buses can be injected directly into service from the bus park, just like how the MRT trains are injected into the Circle, East West and North South Lines.
When there are parking lots at the bus park to park buses for the bus services, the bus services that have the buses park at the bus park no longer have to park their buses at the bus interchange, thus the parking lots they are using at the bus interchange would be empited. The emptied parking lots at the bus interchange can then be used to park buses for new services at the bus interchange.
The bus services that have their buses park at the bus park would continue to run using the same routes and go their respective bus interchange for passengers to alight and board.
Unlike the feeder bus services at Woodlands and Yishun, the buses on such bus services would only stop at the bus interchange for passengers to alight and board, and more on thereafter; the buses will not stop there for the bus driver to alight and take a short rest before going back to drive the bus.
The bus drivers of such bus services will not rest at the bus interchange, instead, the bus drivers of such bus services will rest at the bus park.
Similar to MRT, in the style of a "marathon", another driver will wait outside the bus park for the bus to arrive outside the bus park. When the bus is outside the bus park, the bus will stop, the bus driver will alight and go to the bus park to rest, while the next driver will board the bus and drive the bus from there. I would suggest having a bus stop outside the bus park, so that while this change of bus drivers take place, passengers can also board and alight the bus.
I understand that machines cannot keep running, otherwise the engine will overhead and be damaged. Hence, I would suggest a new plastic signboard that says "terminates at Bedok Bus Interchange"/"terminates at Tampines Bus Interchange" which the bus driver would place in the windscreen of the bus. For instance, when the bus is running the route for the second consecutive time, the bus driver can place the plastic signboard at the windscreen of the bus to indicate that all passengers have to alight at the bus interchange. After all passengers have alighted at the bus interchange, the bus will go on off-service mode to the bus park to rest, while a fresh bus from the bus park drives into the bus interchange to pick up passengers.
^that's for bus services that only use either Bedok or Tampines bus interchange, or ply between the two bus interchanges. For bus services that originate from another bus interchange, besides Bedok/Tampines bus interchange, the bus will continue to park at the other bus interchange, while whatever I suggested would apply when the bus is at Bedok/Tampines bus interchange. For such services, there will be no plastic signboard, since the buses would be resting at the other bus interchange.
what a great idea.. come i clap for you... i think LTA should hire you as their consultant...and pay you S$100k per month... or maybe make you the transport minister?
Originally posted by lemon1974:Bidadari need big interchange to cater to 11000 housing units ? There are so many bus services passing by n a mrt station right at door step.
Do not need a big interchange only for Bidadari... but services can start here considering Serangoon interchange is so small... Serangoon has fewer units as well.. maybe that is why the interchange is small.. and today if they want to introduce new services to city, west or east... they cannot do from Serangoon anymore..
Have to loop 81/82 as well.. due to space constraint..
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Meanwhile, the boarding berths at Eunos Bus Interchange are not fully occupied, which could mean there may be parking lots that are not utilised.
Today, there are only seven bus services at the Eunos Bus Interchange. According to Public Transport SG, there are thirty parking lots and four sawtooth berths, which means the Eunos Bus Interchange has the capacity for around fifteen bus services. The Eunos Bus Interchange can contain around eight more bus services.
I suppose LTA intends to use Eunos Bus Interchange as a complementary to Bedok Bus Interchange.
Two benefits:
- - Divert traffic, so roads would not be congested.
- - Optimise resources. Since currently there is space at Eunos Bus Interchange, there may not be a need to oversupply parking lots at Bedok Bus Interchange.
Personally, I feel that if we were to shorten the Bedok-bound routes (7, 26, 30 and 30E) that ply Sims Avenue to terminate at Eunos Bus Interchange, Bedok Bus Interchange would be able to contain new bus services.
Likewise, at Tampines Bus Interchange, we could divert some services to Eunos Bus Interchange (28 and 67) to empty parking lots for new bus services.
I would say each service should have 3 parking lots dedicated... especially those that loop and are long distance.. hence, would say 10-11 services max.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
Well, my idea is that perhaps we can divert some services from Bedok Bus Interchange and Tampines Bus Interchange to Eunos Bus Interchange, so some parking lots at Bedok and Tampines can be emptied for new services at the respective two interchanges.Alternatively, we can have a bus park somewhere between Bedok Bus Interchange and Tampines Bus Interchange, to park buses for some services at the respective bus interchanges.
It would be ideal if the routes of such services are those that pass by the bus park, so buses can be injected directly into service from the bus park, just like how the MRT trains are injected into the Circle, East West and North South Lines.
When there are parking lots at the bus park to park buses for the bus services, the bus services that have the buses park at the bus park no longer have to park their buses at the bus interchange, thus the parking lots they are using at the bus interchange would be empited. The emptied parking lots at the bus interchange can then be used to park buses for new services at the bus interchange.
The bus services that have their buses park at the bus park would continue to run using the same routes and go their respective bus interchange for passengers to alight and board.
Unlike the feeder bus services at Woodlands and Yishun, the buses on such bus services would only stop at the bus interchange for passengers to alight and board, and more on thereafter; the buses will not stop there for the bus driver to alight and take a short rest before going back to drive the bus.
The bus drivers of such bus services will not rest at the bus interchange, instead, the bus drivers of such bus services will rest at the bus park.
Similar to MRT, in the style of a "marathon", another driver will wait outside the bus park for the bus to arrive outside the bus park. When the bus is outside the bus park, the bus will stop, the bus driver will alight and go to the bus park to rest, while the next driver will board the bus and drive the bus from there. I would suggest having a bus stop outside the bus park, so that while this change of bus drivers take place, passengers can also board and alight the bus.
I understand that machines cannot keep running, otherwise the engine will overhead and be damaged. Hence, I would suggest a new plastic signboard that says "terminates at Bedok Bus Interchange"/"terminates at Tampines Bus Interchange" which the bus driver would place in the windscreen of the bus. For instance, when the bus is running the route for the second consecutive time, the bus driver can place the plastic signboard at the windscreen of the bus to indicate that all passengers have to alight at the bus interchange. After all passengers have alighted at the bus interchange, the bus will go on off-service mode to the bus park to rest, while a fresh bus from the bus park drives into the bus interchange to pick up passengers.
^that's for bus services that only use either Bedok or Tampines bus interchange, or ply between the two bus interchanges. For bus services that originate from another bus interchange, besides Bedok/Tampines bus interchange, the bus will continue to park at the other bus interchange, while whatever I suggested would apply when the bus is at Bedok/Tampines bus interchange. For such services, there will be no plastic signboard, since the buses would be resting at the other bus interchange.
I appreciate that you really invest time and write these long essays. but I have to tell you my friend... most of your suggestions are not rationale and implementable..
Originally posted by carbikebus:Eunos int will not have a new svc till the demolision of the ind parks and new flats and roads are built..A lot of svc passing by the Int and its so well connected..For now may be a new svc to Alps Ave using 13 routes all the way to Loyang might be a good idea.
That would be 2019 onwards then... What is 13 routes?
Originally posted by Bus Stopping:Although we are moving towards the era of having more and more services at interchanges, my personal view is that the older 1980s system of dual interchange/terminal is more effective in some towns.
Let me give an example with Yishun New Town:
Instead of the current 1 large interchange concept, 2 additional terminals (1 around yishun industrial area, and 1 around khatib/orchid country club area) could be used to reduce reliance on feeder services and reduce traffic flow into the interchange.
Services heading south and east bound (e.g. 851-5, 39, 85, etc) could begin from the industrial area and travel along Ave 2 and pax living along the route no longer need to make a transfer into and out of the interchange.
Services heading west and north towards woodlands can begin from the area around country club, passing through khatib before continuing via chong pang and gambas.
This will reduce the interchange at yishun to mostly passengers transferring from MRT and travelling around yishun itself, and those areas not covered by these routes. As you already may know, it takes at least 10mins additional travel time to go into the interchange and out of it, not even taking into account of the bus waiting time.
If you still need to transfer, that is still possible by transferring at the key stops outside yishun mrt/int or any other stops that the services intersect at.
A better town for all?
I do agree that it would be good to have an interchange and another terminal within town. Having just one interchange for big towns is quite inconvenient and time consuming for ppl.
There need to be trunk services plying huge housing complexes along Yishun ring road, Yishun ave 4/6/11. At least one trunk service rather than everyone taking feeder to interchange to change.
This is what is putting heavy peak hour pressure on both feeder services as well as MRT.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:That would be 2019 onwards then... What is 13 routes?
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Just wondering. When the operations at the temporary Bedok Bus Interchange moves to the new Bedok Bus Interchange, can we re-name "Bedok Temporary Bus Interchange" to "Bedok Bus Interchange 2" and use it as a complementary to Bedok Bus Interchange?
This is similar to the Spongebob Squarepants movie, where Mr Krabs opened the "Krusty Krab 2" restaurant right next to the original "Krusty Krab" restaurant. If we use the temporary facility as "Bedok Bus Interchange 2", there will be space for new bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange.
But then hor, if we have more bus services at Bedok Bus Interchange, will the surrounding infrastructure (roads and MRT) be able to cope with the increase in traffic?
Hi mr jurongwestresident, this will never happen. The temp facility is always demolished after the main one is up. Cheers.
I think among the air-con bus interchanges in singapore, Toa Payoh is the best of all. It a pity non of the interchange has the space like toa payoh.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Toa Payoh is the best for AC int..Got e space etc..
Hopes a few upcoming AC Int like Yishun or Hougang is as big as Toa Payoh if not bigger.
Taman Jurong should built a proper terminal for 3-5 svc.
Yew Tee need a bus terminal..Marsiling too.
Upp East Coast actually no need but Marine Parade really need one.
Saint Michael stays as is it,Bishan need a new bigger Int which can accomodate at least 12 Svc.Yio Chu Kang dunno what to say already..Sembawang need proper Int for future development.Changi Cargo Cplx also can built a small terminal for Svc like 89/89e and future new svc from elsewhere.
Maybe can build some new interchanges/terminals along TEL? For eg: Lentor can be a good candidate. Mayflower / Sing Ming / Upper Thomson will have space issue.
Caldecott can also try having small interchange.
Originally posted by wsy1234:I think among the air-con bus interchanges in singapore, Toa Payoh is the best of all. It a pity non of the interchange has the space like toa payoh.
Agreed.
Originally posted by wsy1234:I think among the air-con bus interchanges in singapore, Toa Payoh is the best of all. It a pity non of the interchange has the space like toa payoh.
That's becoz TPY is the first AC int when HDB kickstarted housing and town development, and before the white paper existed. Combining these reasons together it makes sense to say that TPY is bigger than the rest as the urgency for optimum space usage is still not there. Thus the large number of end-on lots and two completely separate wings for the int.
Btw when will JE get a new int uh. They said it would be incorporated into Westgate at first but well... No news