Capacity Upgrade/Downgrade Reporting on Bus Services
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mr. sbs 5010p and mr. busanalayzer. i agree with both ur comment. i take svc 20 regular to simei and observe load increase. lot peop from tamp ave 2 take svc 20 to simei if come first. bus got good load bet tamp and simei town. and from simei mrt heavy crowd to changi biz park. some more dd will be gud for peop in the area. can we suggest bsep to change sd to dd for some more timing ? do i need to get sign from building peop because most peop want. i take sign and submit to bsep. okay approach ?
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
mr. sbs 5010p and mr. busanalayzer. i agree with both ur comment. i take svc 20 regular to simei and observe load increase. lot peop from tamp ave 2 take svc 20 to simei if come first. bus got good load bet tamp and simei town. and from simei mrt heavy crowd to changi biz park. some more dd will be gud for peop in the area. can we suggest bsep to change sd to dd for some more timing ? do i need to get sign from building peop because most peop want. i take sign and submit to bsep. okay approach ?
Sv 20 is popular because it is not as troublesome as taking MRT from Expo (The frequency is as long as 15mins) then change trains at Tanah Merah to Simei.
However it's off peak esp aft 9pm the bus can be as empty as a shell
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Despite all the buhaha regarding DDs on sv 169 not being effective, SMRT decided to add 5027B as perm DD on sv 169 (from SMRT side).
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Despite all the buhaha regarding DDs on sv 169 not being effective, SMRT decided to add 5027B as perm DD on sv 169 (from SMRT side).
Depends highly on the timings and direction which the DDs on Sv 169 are deployed though IMO. The 3x BSEP ones so far (3536L, 3537J, 3538G) are deployed right smack in the timings where the loadings have increased lately in direction of Woodlands from AMK during AM Peak. So I suppose that's a good choice.
I've yet to see 5027B on Sv 169 for AM Peak yet on Weekdays though, so I shall not comment on that first. But maybe IMO, SMRT should consider swapping around some of the MANs' timings with the Bendies in the other direction to AMK during AM Peak.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Despite all the buhaha regarding DDs on sv 169 not being effective, SMRT decided to add 5027B as perm DD on sv 169 (from SMRT side).
lol... Cannot be not effective... evening peak has 190 type of frequency, bunching eveytime and buses are full...
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Depends highly on the timings and direction which the DDs on Sv 169 are deployed though IMO. The 3x BSEP ones so far (3536L, 3537J, 3538G) are deployed right smack in the timings where the loadings have increased lately in direction of Woodlands from AMK during AM Peak. So I suppose that's a good choice.
I've yet to see 5027B on Sv 169 for AM Peak yet on Weekdays though, so I shall not comment on that first. But maybe IMO, SMRT should consider swapping around some of the MANs' timings with the Bendies in the other direction to AMK during AM Peak.
5027B is either 3536L front or back bus...
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
5027B is either 3536L front or back bus...
Oh, thanks for the info. Shall try to see it tmr!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Despite all the buhaha regarding DDs on sv 169 not being effective, SMRT decided to add 5027B as perm DD on sv 169 (from SMRT side).
At least better than rigid. This, I think everyone can agree.
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169 or even 172 can do well with DDs..Pax is distributed,Not majority take it for short distance..The foreign workers mostly go upper deck during factory timings for 169
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
At least better than rigid. This, I think everyone can agree.
Exactly my point. People complain about DDs on sv 169 saying few people go upper deck. But so much better than the rigids. Also the DDs on sv 169 doing just fine. Lot of people go to upper deck. People have just learned to complain and complain. Sadly!
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Enough of the bendies on svc 67,106,169,172,176,180,184,187,188,189,190,700,851,854,960,963,969..Its time to move on to DDs like it or not..Feeders can do with bendies and rigids..
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Exactly my point. People complain about DDs on sv 169 saying few people go upper deck. But so much better than the rigids. Also the DDs on sv 169 doing just fine. Lot of people go to upper deck. People have just learned to complain and complain. Sadly!
Aiya, this is pretty much a culture and will remain for pretty much forever one. Just take a look at this cycle.
LTA add a DD on a popular svc.
Some people don't want to go up, driver thought bus full, drive off.
People complain cannot board bus.
LTA add one more bus.
Cycle repeat until fare raise.
People complain.
LTA try to justify rising cost (which is true with more buses operating)
Repeat cycle.
Many mention how HK succeed with DDs only. While I do not deny that the PTO needs to play a part in this (planning and resource management), I believe the mindset of the people play a part too. Since we are not some big boss, we can't exactly force people to change (unless someone finds a way, which I encourage the act.)
TL:DR, people's action will affect overall service level, and LTA/PTO normally gets the blunt in the end. It takes two to clap and we can't do shit if one isn't willing to, and is the one judging you.
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For mid and long haul trunk there is high chances most ppl go upper deck,but for short haul you think for yourself lo,cant solved problem add 1 more DD,Thats going on for now..
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Aiya, this is pretty much a culture and will remain for pretty much forever one. Just take a look at this cycle.
LTA add a DD on a popular svc.
Some people don't want to go up, driver thought bus full, drive off.
People complain cannot board bus.
LTA add one more bus.
Cycle repeat until fare raise.
People complain.
LTA try to justify rising cost (which is true with more buses operating)
Repeat cycle.
Many mention how HK succeed with DDs only. While I do not deny that the PTO needs to play a part in this (planning and resource management), I believe the mindset of the people play a part too. Since we are not some big boss, we can't exactly force people to change (unless someone finds a way, which I encourage the act.)
TL:DR, people's action will affect overall service level, and LTA/PTO normally gets the blunt in the end. It takes two to clap and we can't do shit if one isn't willing to, and is the one judging you.
TIBS management followed the steps of HK before merging...
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Aiya, this is pretty much a culture and will remain for pretty much forever one. Just take a look at this cycle.
LTA add a DD on a popular svc.
Some people don't want to go up, driver thought bus full, drive off.
People complain cannot board bus.
LTA add one more bus.
Cycle repeat until fare raise.
People complain.
LTA try to justify rising cost (which is true with more buses operating)
Repeat cycle.
Many mention how HK succeed with DDs only. While I do not deny that the PTO needs to play a part in this (planning and resource management), I believe the mindset of the people play a part too. Since we are not some big boss, we can't exactly force people to change (unless someone finds a way, which I encourage the act.)
TL:DR, people's action will affect overall service level, and LTA/PTO normally gets the blunt in the end. It takes two to clap and we can't do shit if one isn't willing to, and is the one judging you.
Yes and I observe so many times, Citaro has so much space at rare.. people who board stand in center near PIW space. Many times bus leaves interchange only with 50 pax when capacity is 70 pax. and there the queue remains big.
Same goes for bendy. Many times observe even at CCK Int when I checked last. sv 300 bendy has space in second car, but already people blocked the way. Bendy left with only 80 pax leaving a big queue still behind.
For DD, for short routes many people might not go up (especially in SMRT territory) coz SBST territoty you do see full upper deck for 222, 241, 243, 291, 334 etc. Again, bus cannot leave without its max capacity.
There needs to be more education around this and people need to be more sensitive about these things.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
For mid and long haul trunk there is high chances most ppl go upper deck,but for short haul you think for yourself lo,cant solved problem add 1 more DD,Thats going on for now..
You keep saying that again and again.
Please explain me why DDs are used for SWTs such as 13A, 31A, 45A, 72B (just to name a few)?? All these trips are only 3-4 stops from MRT/interchange.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
You keep saying that again and again.
Please explain me why DDs are used for SWTs such as 13A, 31A, 45A, 72B (just to name a few)?? All these trips are only 3-4 stops from MRT/interchange.
Tell me,Do SBST operate bendy buses?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Tell me,Do SBST operate bendy buses?
Tell me... which service is better operated as a feeder... 225, 243, 291 or 300, 804, 912?
That should answer the point at hand as well...
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I agree with carbusbike. SBS stubborn and dont wanna use bendy bus. so double deck is to show people they already do something (all SD people sure blindy complain), might not necessarily be the best thing. 3-4 stops people go up go down is really increase dwell times by alot.
As for 300, 804, 912 - the loading on these services cannot compare with 243 (225 and 291 i dunno the situation). In all fairness i would choose to defend smrt there. anw those services are already very frequent, its just too many people using them. And atleast the use of bendies makes the run time there faster.
Anw SBST is not that perfect either. Look at how they operate 199. High demand yet such poor frequency and so many SDs (199 has no BSEP)
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Eh bus anal,you tell me who has more high capacity buses to play around?
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Originally posted by randomguy10:
I agree with carbusbike. SBS stubborn and dont wanna use bendy bus. so double deck is to show people they already do something (all SD people sure blindy complain), might not necessarily be the best thing. 3-4 stops people go up go down is really increase dwell times by alot.
As for 300, 804, 912 - the loading on these services cannot compare with 243 (225 and 291 i dunno the situation). In all fairness i would choose to defend smrt there. anw those services are already very frequent, its just too many people using them. And atleast the use of bendies makes the run time there faster.
Anw SBST is not that perfect either. Look at how they operate 199. High demand yet such poor frequency and so many SDs (199 has no BSEP)
SBST actually had some trial with bendies but the trial failed... Should be a few years ago (I don't quite remember)
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Originally posted by array88:
SBST actually had some trial with bendies but the trial failed... Should be a few years ago (I don't quite remember)
Volvo B10M (GL-spec) bendy. Used to be on former service 290 (current day 38) and 18. It is not a few years ago, more of nearly a decade ago
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SBS998Y & SBS999U (Both currently in NZ, but last wk SBS998Y met in an accident due to wet weather condition)
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Originally posted by randomguy10:
I agree with carbusbike. SBS stubborn and dont wanna use bendy bus. so double deck is to show people they already do something (all SD people sure blindy complain), might not necessarily be the best thing. 3-4 stops people go up go down is really increase dwell times by alot.
As for 300, 804, 912 - the loading on these services cannot compare with 243 (225 and 291 i dunno the situation). In all fairness i would choose to defend smrt there. anw those services are already very frequent, its just too many people using them. And atleast the use of bendies makes the run time there faster.
Anw SBST is not that perfect either. Look at how they operate 199. High demand yet such poor frequency and so many SDs (199 has no BSEP)
Of course you will talk in favor of bendy. 90% of your posts are on how good bendies are and how bad DDs are.
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Originally posted by array88:
SBST actually had some trial with bendies but the trial failed... Should be a few years ago (I don't quite remember)
Yes it failed... and there are legitimate reasons why LTA also does not favor bendies... If you even consider Bedok Interchange or Tampines Interchange... imagine if services such as 291, 293 had bendy fleet... with that many services calling at the interchange and stops... feasible? ofcourse not.