Capacity Upgrade/Downgrade Reporting on Bus Services
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252 can convert a DD slot to SD,Load have dropped nearly 35% ever since Joo Koon MRT operational..
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Possible for 15 to trial DDs?
Sv 107M can reduce DD slots.. Lower deck and upper deck not even half seated
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
252 can convert a DD slot to SD,Load have dropped nearly 35% ever since Joo Koon MRT operational..
Wait till Tuas station opens all the JIS svcs loading will drop like 252
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Possible for 15 to trial DDs?
Sv 107M can reduce DD slots.. Lower deck and upper deck not even half seated
Telok Kurau area too small for DD, else it will get it long time ago.....
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Possible for 15 to trial DDs?
Sv 107M can reduce DD slots.. Lower deck and upper deck not even half seated
107 can survive with 7 DDs
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
252 can convert a DD slot to SD,Load have dropped nearly 35% ever since Joo Koon MRT operational..
252 load still high at Boon Lay Interchange. AM peak every bus gets 80-90 pax.. so not sure it is a good idea, given that frequency is also 12-15 mins.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
107 can survive with 7 DDs
So you are proposing converting 1 DD --> 1 SD. 107 just has between 50-75 pax most part of its route. It is like sv 54/56, with long distance travelers but does not ever get too crowded. I think with Geylang Bahru in 2017, 107 can even become full fleet SD given that its DD loading today comes between Geylang Bahru and Lavendar.
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Possible for 15 to trial DDs?
Sv 107M can reduce DD slots.. Lower deck and upper deck not even half seated
15 cannot.. otherwise it would have been an excellent candidate for DDs.. and I guarantee it would be majority DD fleet.. even after adding 4 buses... sv 15 buses are running full capacity.
I don't know why they dont introduce 15M with DDs between Eunos and Pasir Ris with DDs...
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Is SBS 6489K the 3 rd BSEP buses added on sv 372 ?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
So you are proposing converting 1 DD --> 1 SD. 107 just has between 50-75 pax most part of its route. It is like sv 54/56, with long distance travelers but does not ever get too crowded. I think with Geylang Bahru in 2017, 107 can even become full fleet SD given that its DD loading today comes between Geylang Bahru and Lavendar.
Bro first of all SBST got many DDs to play with,7 DDs for 107 is no harm..Can put them mostly on split shift..There are certain timings a few trips is heavy loadings but still managable by current fleets..now they have 8 DDs and it wouldnt scratch a mark if one DD convert to SD..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Bro first of all SBST got many DDs to play with,7 DDs for 107 is no harm..Can put them mostly on split shift..There are certain timings a few trips is heavy loadings but still managable by current fleets..now they have 8 DDs and it wouldnt scratch a mark if one DD convert to SD..
Weren't you the one who said 107 loading has dropped and DD slot needs to be converted to SD? Then why are you telling me all this...
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Ya. They have more than enuf DDs to play with just look at 119 ~ Weekends and PHs also deploy 2 DDs full day ~
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63M gets one more BSEP fleet add... now 7 buses for such short route..
Isn't 63M suddenly pampered so much? Before BSEP, there were only 2-3 buses on 63M.. now capacity increased 3 times...
Also no new development around the area to warrant such a high number of buses... You can spot 63/63M bunching almost on every bus towards Eunos interchange AM and PM.
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Originally posted by sbst191:
Ya. They have more than enuf DDs to play with just look at 119 ~ Weekends and PHs also deploy 2 DDs full day ~
That is BSEP.. it is different.. cannot compare same thing as DDs from SBST side.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
63M gets one more BSEP fleet add... now 7 buses for such short route..
Isn't 63M suddenly pampered so much? Before BSEP, there were only 2-3 buses on 63M.. now capacity increased 3 times...
Also no new development around the area to warrant such a high number of buses... You can spot 63/63M bunching almost on every bus towards Eunos interchange AM and PM.
Do take into account the amount of people that would either take Sv 63 or 63M to get to the industrial estates or Circuit Road from Eunos & vice versa, esp during Peak.
Although I have to agree, you'll very likely see bunching occur during non-Peak for 63M.
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125's pax also pampered~ lazy to walk 500m out to the macpheron road to board so many bus svcs that are towards various mrt stations~ 125 DDs also not fully utilised ~ Seen lazy ppl waiting 20mins+ for 125 for 2 bus stops out to macpherson road siemens bus stop~
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right now i dun think these svcs nid so much DDs anymore including troll svc (BSEP 119))
Svs 166, Sv 107/107M, Sv 153, Sv 91, Sv 95, Sv 199, Sv 225 (Do not nid DDs now), Sv 62, Sv 56, Sv 69, Sv 17, Sv 43, Sv 125, Sv 132, Sv 136 (Do not nid DDs, crossover slot can stay since u guys suggested SBST has too much DDs to play with), Sv 163
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Do take into account the amount of people that would either take Sv 63 or 63M to get to the industrial estates or Circuit Road from Eunos & vice versa, esp during Peak.
Although I have to agree, you'll very likely see bunching occur during non-Peak for 63M.
My point is: no one ever complained about 63/63M before BSEP introduced it... and there is no new development in the industrial/residential belt.. how come so many buses needed now?
Not saying bad or anything.. just trying to figure out what these ppl did when 63M was not as frequent or rather BSEP-loaded.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
My point is: no one ever complained about 63/63M before BSEP introduced it... and there is no new development in the industrial/residential belt.. how come so many buses needed now?
Not saying bad or anything.. just trying to figure out what these ppl did when 63M was not as frequent or rather BSEP-loaded.
if 119 can get DDs, what cant BSEP do? Maybe Sv 11 will get fleet add or DDs soon>?
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Originally posted by sbst191:
right now i dun think these svcs nid so much DDs anymore including troll svc (BSEP 119))
Svs 166, Sv 107/107M, Sv 153, Sv 91, Sv 95, Sv 199, Sv 225 (Do not nid DDs now), Sv 62, Sv 56, Sv 69, Sv 17
Svs 166 (already downgraded 4 DD slots, how much more downgrading you want? Ok for now)
Sv 107/107M (DDs are for Lavendar/Geylang Bahru belt where load is 70-75 pax.. though agree sv can do with 6 DDs. Merging with 82 would have been the best. DDs also would have got better utilized)
Sv 153 (Disagree - peak direction there is DD worthy loading. Depends where you see it).
Sv 91 (Mostly SDs... where you have many DDs? Though at BNV in AM, loading can be high)
Sv 95 (Need the DDs for crash loading of student crowds once classes end. But no need to add or reduce. Already a year back one DD slot was downgraded)
Sv 199 (DDs totally justified... depends when you see it.. but during school timings, buses are heavily packed. Also helps relieve load on 181/242... don't forget that)
Sv 225 (Why? Go to Bedok Interchange, and you will see between 5.30pm and 7pm... 225G DDs especially get 80-90 pax.. sometimes when SD comes... 10-12 ppl left behind.. 225W on the other hand.. DDs take around 60-65 pax that can be managed by KUBs... but 2 DDs on 225G justified... and yes!! people do go to the upper deck... maybe around 20 pax.. but that leaves room for another 20 to enter lower deck)
Sv 62 (dupdup will kill you if you say this... sv 62 has high loading towards peak direction, opp direction loading is poor)
Sv 56 (I agree... loading on most DDs peaks at 60-65 pax.. but then it has only 3 DDs.. so let it be)
Sv 69 (You have to be kidding me here?? You are kidding right?? Go take sv 69... )
Sv 17 (Depends where you see.. existing fleet ok... i dont think any change needed.. PM high load from Pasir ris int to Loyang, AM high load from Tampines Ave 2 to Bedok)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Weren't you the one who said 107 loading has dropped and DD slot needs to be converted to SD? Then why are you telling me all this...
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confused)So 8 DDs to 7 DDs i proposed is not consider downgrade uh bro?At least i nvr mention full SDs right?No?I more confused leh brudder..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
So 8 DDs to 7 DDs i proposed is not consider downgrade uh bro?At least i nvr mention full SDs right?No?I more confused leh brudder..
Go read what I wrote.. when DTL opens... sv 107 might not need as many DDs... coz that is the peak loading point for 107 where it gets 65-70 pax.. After Geylang Bahru MRT.. pax will drop and then... you may just not need any DD on 107.
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Bro i remember you said regardless of how many rail lines in future bus service is still needed and regardless ppl will still take buses..Dont forget our population is increasing..
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Svs 166 (already downgraded 4 DD slots, how much more downgrading you want? Ok for now)
Sv 107/107M (DDs are for Lavendar/Geylang Bahru belt where load is 70-75 pax.. though agree sv can do with 6 DDs. Merging with 82 would have been the best. DDs also would have got better utilized)
Sv 153 (Disagree - peak direction there is DD worthy loading. Depends where you see it).
Sv 91 (Mostly SDs... where you have many DDs? Though at BNV in AM, loading can be high)
Sv 95 (Need the DDs for crash loading of student crowds once classes end. But no need to add or reduce. Already a year back one DD slot was downgraded)
Sv 199 (DDs totally justified... depends when you see it.. but during school timings, buses are heavily packed. Also helps relieve load on 181/242... don't forget that)
Sv 225 (Why? Go to Bedok Interchange, and you will see between 5.30pm and 7pm... 225G DDs especially get 80-90 pax.. sometimes when SD comes... 10-12 ppl left behind.. 225W on the other hand.. DDs take around 60-65 pax that can be managed by KUBs... but 2 DDs on 225G justified... and yes!! people do go to the upper deck... maybe around 20 pax.. but that leaves room for another 20 to enter lower deck)
Sv 62 (dupdup will kill you if you say this... sv 62 has high loading towards peak direction, opp direction loading is poor)
Sv 56 (I agree... loading on most DDs peaks at 60-65 pax.. but then it has only 3 DDs.. so let it be)
Sv 69 (You have to be kidding me here?? You are kidding right?? Go take sv 69... )
Sv 17 (Depends where you see.. existing fleet ok... i dont think any change needed.. PM high load from Pasir ris int to Loyang, AM high load from Tampines Ave 2 to Bedok)
I wonder when our taxpayer's money will start drying up with a mindset like this~ The deployment of the DDs are not timed properly esp for Sv 153 and 62~
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Final say will still be the PTO plannings for now,no need worry so much which service need this and that..