Door Systems
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http://www.happich.de/en/maerkte-bus.php
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Thanks 23ispolo.
Does anyone know the brand of doors used on Scania ELBO buses?
Also, what is the brand of the doors on the DAFs?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
SBS8689L has sliding...
Masats doors... Front doors like the Bode doors on the Citaro, would bang against the side when opening... ERear door sensor very sensitive, people stand under the exit door, BC cannot close the door, because it keep opening again...
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Also, what is the brand of the doors on the DAFs?
Deans.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Was it on the glass itself, or the door panel at the bottom? I suspect it might be a replacement set, some photographic evidence would be excellent.
Some have Bode logo plates on both leaf doors, while some have Masats logo plate on one leaf door instead, but the glass will have both Bode and Masats logo. Here is the one taken from TIB1108A (sorry for blurred pic).
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MAN Masats doors (espacially the front) can be really funny... SMB198Z front doors are so violent that the flaps have broken and bang like metal plates when closing...
SMB345R got very weird front door pattern when closing, right leaf door (from outside) will close much faster than the other door and bang violently against the rubber, leaving a huge gap in the timing between the separate closing of both individual doors... Many MANs have spoilt flaps and even some MANs like SMB3017T (just the left door) and SMB265M (both) have these flaps removed completely! Is this bad maintenance or factory error? -
Originally posted by 23ispolo:
MAN Masats doors (espacially the front) can be really funny... SMB198Z front doors are so violent that the flaps have broken and bang like metal plates when closing...
SMB345R got very weird front door
pattern when closing, right leaf door (from outside) will close
much faster than the other door and bang violently against the
rubber, leaving a huge gap in the timing between the separate
closing of both individual doors... Many MANs have spoilt flaps and even
some MANs like SMB3017T (just the left door) and SMB265M (both)
have these flaps removed completely! Is this bad maintenance or factory
error?Poor maintenance.
In the first few years you can send them back to the dealer as they are under warranty. Once that period has passed, you are more or less on your own.
You can buy the best buses on the market with all the bells and whistles, and still turn them into rubbish if you do not have the proper maintenance regime.
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
Some have Bode logo plates on both leaf doors, while some have Masats logo plate on one leaf door instead, but the glass will have both Bode and Masats logo. Here is the one taken from TIB1108A (sorry for blurred pic).
That is good enough for me. Thanks!
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Poor maintenance.
In the first few years you can send them back to the dealer as they are under warranty. Once that period has passed, you are more or less on your own.
You can buy the best buses on the market with all the bells and whistles, and still turn them into rubbish if you do not have the proper maintenance regime.
Well, SMB220S has violent closing front doors, but the flaps haven't spoilt... Also, the doors on the MANs would close more violently if the flpas are spoilt. Are violently fast motors an effect of factory error?
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Well, SMB220S has violent closing front doors, but the flaps haven't spoilt... Also, the doors on the MANs would close more violently if the flpas are spoilt. Are violently fast motors an effect of factory error?
As far as I know the front doors of MAN A22 buses are pneumatic. Only the Bode doors on Hispano Mk 2 (all) and Habit (front) O405G buses use electrical motors.
I wouldn't rule out a factory defect, but other factors could be at play as well.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
As far as I know the front doors of MAN A22 buses are pneumatic. Only the Bode doors on Hispano Mk 2 (all) and Habit (front) O405G buses use electrical motors.
I wouldn't rule out a factory defect, but other factors could be at play as well.
I assume Hispano O405 Bode-Masats doors use electric motors? I know the Deans doors on most (if not all) of SBS Transit's old kit buses use electric motors...
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The Deans door system on PA4689S (ex SBS Leisure SH963D). The door system is identical to those used on the older SBS buses.
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Anyone can confirm if SMC doors are pneumatic or using electric motors?
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Also, I suspect Sentosa's Volvo B7RLE uses Deans doors...
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Anyone can confirm if SMC doors are pneumatic or using electric motors?
Pneumatic
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
I thought so too...
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
O405 and O405G Hispano doors are actually Bode/Masats, as during that time Masats was in partnership with Bode, hence the doors have both Bode and Masats logo.
SMC doors are known as SMC, while Transit is the door type. http://www.smcbusdoors.com.au/index.html
Leyland, Volvo Olympian, B10M and Dennis Trident uses Deans doors.
Haven't taken a bus with Ventura doors yet, so can't compare.
Best brand I think it would be Bode. Those on the O405s and O405G still close tight like on the Citaros.
Worst brand is SMC, those on some of the older buses can't even close properly. However I think the newer generation ones (installed on the newer Wrights) with the air release system close better.
I have to agree that the Bode doors are the best.
Reasons:
1. SMC doors are either very loose or only just sturdy enough, not to mention the terrible quality of the doors! You can have the doors not closing fully or even bang the rubber like going to smash and break!
2. Deans doors tend to be violent, but the doors still have a better seal than the SMC doors. In fact, the doors usually have a better quality than the SMC doors!
3. Masats doors are okay, but feel quite cheap for European doors... Front door flaps easily spoilt and the rear door cover looks like it can just fall off. Only the rear doors are durable, in my opinion...
Ventura doors should be as good as Bode doors, hopefully. Only thing I don't like about the Bode doors on the Citaros is that the front doors would swing when closing... Otherwise, both the front and rear doors on the Citaros are just about the best for modern buses. Even the Bode-Masats doors on the O405s are still as durable as they are supposed to be.
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I feel that the Euro V KUBs have looser (rear) doors than the Euro IV KUBs... It is very hard to find a Euro V KUB with sturdy doors. Then again, the Euro IV KUBs can also have very loose doors...
Some KUBs I have taken with sturdy doors:
SBS5176U (BNDEP 36) - very hard to find a Euro V with sturdy doors...
SBS8169X (BNDEP 36)
SBS8309J (HGDEP 156) - best of the pack in my opinion...
Anyway, the Batch 3 WEGs have a newer door system, which shakes very little. I wonder how it is sturdier than the older shaky stuff...
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
O405 and O405G Hispano doors are actually Bode/Masats, as during that time Masats was in partnership with Bode, hence the doors have both Bode and Masats logo.
SMC doors are known as SMC, while Transit is the door type. http://www.smcbusdoors.com.au/index.html
Leyland, Volvo Olympian, B10M and Dennis Trident uses Deans doors.
Haven't taken a bus with Ventura doors yet, so can't compare.
Best brand I think it would be Bode. Those on the O405s and O405G still close tight like on the Citaros.
Worst brand is SMC, those on some of the older buses can't even close properly. However I think the newer generation ones (installed on the newer Wrights) with the air release system close better.
slight correction - Masats was a SUBSIDARY of Bode, formerly known as Bode-Masats before Masats was divested in the early 2000s. this will explain why some of the 405G doors have both the BOde and Masats logo on the door glass panel.
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Random thread on doors
Brands:
Bode = O405 (Hispano), O405G (Hispano), Citaro
SMC Transit = B10TL, KUB, WEG, OC, O405 and O405G (Volgren)
Masats = MAN
Ventura = MAN (SMB138Y), ADL E500
Question: Is Ventura doors better than Masats? Which is the best brand in your opinion? For me, my favourite are the Bodes doors on the O405.
im biased to Masats cos they seem unsually "rock sturdy" on the 405Gs, NUS KUBs and A22s. wont comment much on the other doors, altho the performance of the SMC transit doors have left me wondering if the curvature of the GML bodies on the (taller) KUBs/OCs have an effect on the performance on the doors. the SMC doors on the B9TLs seem to function fairly well with little/no issues. note that the SMC doors on all the B9s are not bent.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
As far as I know the front doors of MAN A22 buses are pneumatic. Only the Bode doors on Hispano Mk 2 (all) and Habit (front) O405G buses use electrical motors.
I wouldn't rule out a factory defect, but other factors could be at play as well.
i was looking along the lines of a door mechanism timing issue, which could be factory/maintenance-related. despite the high tech wizadry and electric doors in buses, id believe that the pressure valves that control the doors are ultimately electronically controlled, hence giving rise to issues like offwhack door opening/closing as well as "unusually violent" operations if the door circuit systems are poorly programmed.
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Originally posted by AnythingGoesLa:
wont comment much on the other doors, altho the performance of the SMC transit doors have left me wondering if the curvature of the GML bodies on the (taller) KUBs/OCs have an effect on the performance on the doors. the SMC doors on the B9TLs seem to function fairly well with little/no issues. note that the SMC doors on all the B9s are not bent.
The rear doors of the Batch 1 and 2A/B WEGs tend to be rather shaky, unless the depot uses marker ink to check the postion of the screws on the doors... But, I agree that the door model is sturdier on the B9TLs (both CDGE and WEG) than on the KUBs and OCs... On what you said about the perfromance of the SMC doors (KUBs and OCs) probably being affected by the bodywork, you do have a point. I remember the door poles at the exit door for both models are slanted at a angle...
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Originally posted by AnythingGoesLa:
i was looking along the lines of a door mechanism timing issue, which could be factory/maintenance-related. despite the high tech wizadry and electric doors in buses, id believe that the pressure valves that control the doors are ultimately electronically controlled, hence giving rise to issues like offwhack door opening/closing as well as "unusually violent" operations if the door circuit systems are poorly programmed.
Good point there.
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
The rear doors of the Batch 1 and 2A/B WEGs tend to be rather shaky, unless the depot uses marker ink to check the postion of the screws on the doors... But, I agree that the door model is sturdier on the B9TLs (both CDGE and WEG) than on the KUBs and OCs... On what you said about the perfromance of the SMC doors (KUBs and OCs) probably being affected by the bodywork, you do have a point. I remember the door poles at the exit door for both models are slanted at a angle...
the slanting of the door poles is actually an "optical illusion" of sorts as the door poles are perpendicular wrt the bus floor like a "|" whilst the doors are actually bent inwards, much like a "/". i was thinking that the height of the doors poses an extra issue as the OC and KUBs use taller SMC doors compared to the B9s (CDGE/WEG2), and somehow somewhat something just seems to ensure that the doors dont close tightly or resoundingly enough on the KUBs/OCs....
interesting that the SMC doors on the WEGs have to be more tightly screwed than usual, but again it may not come as a surprise as all SMC doors on the CDGE/WEG2s have a "spacer plate" between the door pole and the doors. wont wanna pin down any particular reason, but it may lie in how the door pole is "curved" (such that its still able to effectively close/open the door) that leads to the requirement of these "spacer plates". note that the OCs/KUBs dont have such spacer plates for their rear swong doors.