Dempsey Road may need a bus terminal. Many bus services plying into Orchard are pretty long and result in unpredictable waiting time and bus brunching. Services like 75, 106, 7, 77, 123 and even 132 can terminate in Dempsey, and take a more frequent new bus service from Dempsey into Orchard, alternatively taking train from the new Napier MRT station.
Originally posted by iamgoondu:Dempsey Road may need a bus terminal. Many bus services plying into Orchard are pretty long and result in unpredictable waiting time and bus brunching. Services like 75, 106, 7, 77, 123 and even 132 can terminate in Dempsey, and take a more frequent new bus service from Dempsey into Orchard, alternatively taking train from the new Napier MRT station.
It is a very bad idea. How do you expect to modify each of these routes?
Not really a "needs a terminal/interchange", but Yio Chu Kang Terminal could have some improvements made - it has a big enough site to house a mall, however small, that can serve residents in the area, and it can be a good enough interchange with a greater number of services plying the area.
Not sure about 138's loading patterns but would it be a good idea for 138 to shorten its route to start and end at YCK? If that's the case then YCK could have some SBST services plying the YCK-Upper Thomson-Mandai/Sembawang area.
Originally posted by sbst191:Agree on Hougang South To be another bus terminal/interchange.
115 BC can have a proper resting terminal rather than using the nearby kopitiam toilet.
Whereas 112,113, 119 BCs can use the proper resting terminal to maybe use the toilet? And most importantly commuters can wait for buses in comfort. Rather than standing and waiting cause the railing that is still there is always fully seated.
Maybe Svcs like 132 can be diverted to terminate at hougang south?
Service 115G and 115W.
Originally posted by MoltenFalcon:Not really a "needs a terminal/interchange", but Yio Chu Kang Terminal could have some improvements made - it has a big enough site to house a mall, however small, that can serve residents in the area, and it can be a good enough interchange with a greater number of services plying the area.
Not sure about 138's loading patterns but would it be a good idea for 138 to shorten its route to start and end at YCK? If that's the case then YCK could have some SBST services plying the YCK-Upper Thomson-Mandai/Sembawang area.
Provided the developers wanna take up the offer in the first place...
YCK demand is quite low for now TBH
Unless gvmt build a town centre themselves lurh, which may kill chances of a AC int...
Originally posted by iamgoondu:Dempsey Road may need a bus terminal. Many bus services plying into Orchard are pretty long and result in unpredictable waiting time and bus brunching. Services like 75, 106, 7, 77, 123 and even 132 can terminate in Dempsey, and take a more frequent new bus service from Dempsey into Orchard, alternatively taking train from the new Napier MRT station.
It would be more inconvenient for pax to alight and transfer instead of taking a bus all the way, but it's an interesting idea... I think last time they raised the idea of making Orchard Rd pedestrian-only. Such a move could work if (1) the MRT bringing ppl from the fringe into the heart of Orchard is more reliable and can operate at high frequencies without breaking down, (2) the transfer from bus to MRT at the fringe of Orchard is seamless and convenient, with minimal walking and waiting time, (3) traffic flow along alternative access roads is properly managed to avoid congestion around the fringe of Orchard.
Originally posted by 201911:It would be more inconvenient for pax to alight and transfer instead of taking a bus all the way, but it's an interesting idea... I think last time they raised the idea of making Orchard Rd pedestrian-only. Such a move could work if (1) the MRT bringing ppl from the fringe into the heart of Orchard is more reliable and can operate at high frequencies without breaking down, (2) the transfer from bus to MRT at the fringe of Orchard is seamless and convenient, with minimal walking and waiting time, (3) traffic flow along alternative access roads is properly managed to avoid congestion around the fringe of Orchard.
It is definitely more incovenient for pax to alight and make transfer. In a way the Napier MRT will make many bus services that ply approaching Orchard and beyond Tanglin Road redundant. At present, here're the bus services:
7 from Clementi to Bedok
77 from Bukit Panjang to Marina
105 from Jurong East to Serangoon
106 from Bukit Batok to Shenton Way
123 from Bukit Merah
174 from Boon Lay to Eu Tong Sen
By terminating above services at Napier will:
a. Provide a more reliable and frequent bus services for shorter route will result in lesser bus brunching. And reliable for the services will not be impacted by special occassions like Computer Expo Fair in Suntec, when waiting for bus service like 106 can be a very frustrating experience.
b. Result in better traffic flow into Orchard.
However commuters will appreciate the effort if only:
a. The shorter bus services are more reliable and frequent.
If the bus services remain to come at 15 minutes interval and at erratic frequency, to commuters, we will view above changes as 'cost savings' rather than 'service enhancement'.
I am a frequent traveller on 106, and I will be 'inconvenient' by above change, whilst I am pissed with 106 service, that I believe a total overhaul is necessary to improve transport services from the western part of Singapore into Orchard.
Alternatively, a light rail that ply from Clementi MRT and long Holland Road and feed commuters into Napier MRT can totally eliminate a Dempsey bus terminal and above bus services as well.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:It is a very bad idea. How do you expect to modify each of these routes?
Simply terminate all the existing bus services at Dempsey. And rely on Napier MRT to continue the journey.
However on condition that the shorter bus services must be run in a more reliable and at higher frequency.
Originally posted by iamgoondu:It is definitely more incovenient for pax to alight and make transfer. In a way the Napier MRT will make many bus services that ply approaching Orchard and beyond Tanglin Road redundant. At present, here're the bus services:
7 from Clementi to Bedok
77 from Bukit Panjang to Marina
105 from Jurong East to Serangoon
106 from Bukit Batok to Shenton Way
123 from Bukit Merah
174 from Boon Lay to Eu Tong Sen
By terminating above services at Napier will:
a. Provide a more reliable and frequent bus services for shorter route will result in lesser bus brunching. And reliable for the services will not be impacted by special occassions like Computer Expo Fair in Suntec, when waiting for bus service like 106 can be a very frustrating experience.
b. Result in better traffic flow into Orchard.
However commuters will appreciate the effort if only:
a. The shorter bus services are more reliable and frequent.
If the bus services remain to come at 15 minutes interval and at erratic frequency, to commuters, we will view above changes as 'cost savings' rather than 'service enhancement'.
I am a frequent traveller on 106, and I will be 'inconvenient' by above change, whilst I am pissed with 106 service, that I believe a total overhaul is necessary to improve transport services from the western part of Singapore into Orchard.
Alternatively, a light rail that ply from Clementi MRT and long Holland Road and feed commuters into Napier MRT can totally eliminate a Dempsey bus terminal and above bus services as well.
All, have you ever thought of the extreme huge impact to terminate all the above services at so called napier MRT or dempsey road? How about all the bus stops in-between plus all other services which ply through various parts of orchard such as scotts road? This sort of idea looks practically impossible. Thousands of commuters will be forced off sideways, creating further frustrations. They bring people from various parts of singapore enroute to other areas with orchard as a crucial destination. I will definitely give this idea a thumbs-down. No offence to any parties!
Originally posted by iamgoondu:Simply terminate all the existing bus services at Dempsey. And rely on Napier MRT to continue the journey.
However on condition that the shorter bus services must be run in a more reliable and at higher frequency.
It is not as easy as you think to terminate all the existing bus services at dempsey. How about the portion of journey after orchard road? Those bus services are connecting west to north-east and west to east, etc. There are so many bus stops after orchard road. Then there are also the not so mobile guys who need bus stop to bus stop connections. There are also those who want to take bus at orchard road straight to their house. MRT and buses must complement each other. New mrt stations are built to give people 1 more method of transportation. Not to abruptly terminate the existing bus services at 1 interchange. Moreover, an interchange is built to further plan and strategise bus routes for the convenience of residents. In most cases, sufficient people must utilise it and this clearly rules out dempsey as an area for bus interchange. At least not in the near future.
Originally posted by 201911:It would be more inconvenient for pax to alight and transfer instead of taking a bus all the way, but it's an interesting idea... I think last time they raised the idea of making Orchard Rd pedestrian-only. Such a move could work if (1) the MRT bringing ppl from the fringe into the heart of Orchard is more reliable and can operate at high frequencies without breaking down, (2) the transfer from bus to MRT at the fringe of Orchard is seamless and convenient, with minimal walking and waiting time, (3) traffic flow along alternative access roads is properly managed to avoid congestion around the fringe of Orchard.
Bro, not MRT, tram service on a dedicated track is more idea, something like wat they ve in vienna,austria...
Originally posted by dupdup77:It is not as easy as you think to terminate all the existing bus services at dempsey. How about the portion of journey after orchard road? Those bus services are connecting west to north-east and west to east, etc. There are so many bus stops after orchard road. Then there are also the not so mobile guys who need bus stop to bus stop connections. There are also those who want to take bus at orchard road straight to their house. MRT and buses must complement each other. New mrt stations are built to give people 1 more method of transportation. Not to abruptly terminate the existing bus services at 1 interchange. Moreover, an interchange is built to further plan and strategise bus routes for the convenience of residents. In most cases, sufficient people must utilise it and this clearly rules out dempsey as an area for bus interchange. At least not in the near future.
I agreed that it is a terrible bittle pill to swallow. However that's definitely the 'route' our master transport planners should head. Else our bus companies will continue to bleed, our Orchard Road will foreever jam, our bus wait will continue to be unbearable. When Napier MRT is ready, it spells the completion of both Thomson and Downtown lines. Most down stream routes that ply by existing bus services would have be served by the 2 new and existing lines.
As I mentioned earlier, for above to succeed, the shorter bus services must be more timely and running at higher frequency. Waiting for 15 minutes for a bus can be painful.
Dempsey used to have a fringe car park that encourage car owners to dump their cars and take public transport into Orchard. Dempsey can continue to act as a terminal point whereby bus commuters ditch the buses and take the trains.
We must take radical approach to overcome our public transports woes.
Yew tee
Originally posted by SMB128B:Provided the developers wanna take up the offer in the first place...
YCK demand is quite low for now TBH
Unless gvmt build a town centre themselves lurh, which may kill chances of a AC int...
YCK demand is low?? Your statement really surprises me...
Originally posted by MoltenFalcon:Not really a "needs a terminal/interchange", but Yio Chu Kang Terminal could have some improvements made - it has a big enough site to house a mall, however small, that can serve residents in the area, and it can be a good enough interchange with a greater number of services plying the area.
Not sure about 138's loading patterns but would it be a good idea for 138 to shorten its route to start and end at YCK? If that's the case then YCK could have some SBST services plying the YCK-Upper Thomson-Mandai/Sembawang area.
138 has heavy loading between AMK Ave 5 and AMK MRT. In fact in one direction, it is the only service some part of Ave 5 residents rely on to get to AMK MRT / Hub. Also there are quite a few people who take 138 from Tagore Industrial Estate to AMK. Now that is arguable that if you provide link to YCK MRT, they very well can choose that too.
I agree with you that YCK Terminal should be expanded and 265 should start from here rather than depot. 268 can continue from depot.
Originally posted by iamgoondu:
I agreed that it is a terrible bittle pill to swallow. However that's definitely the 'route' our master transport planners should head. Else our bus companies will continue to bleed, our Orchard Road will foreever jam, our bus wait will continue to be unbearable. When Napier MRT is ready, it spells the completion of both Thomson and Downtown lines. Most down stream routes that ply by existing bus services would have be served by the 2 new and existing lines.
As I mentioned earlier, for above to succeed, the shorter bus services must be more timely and running at higher frequency. Waiting for 15 minutes for a bus can be painful.
Dempsey used to have a fringe car park that encourage car owners to dump their cars and take public transport into Orchard. Dempsey can continue to act as a terminal point whereby bus commuters ditch the buses and take the trains.
We must take radical approach to overcome our public transports woes.
1. You clearly are living in a dream world. LTA is not even changing routes of services that are duplicate / redundant with slight modification - you are expecting BIG changes
2. Your changes dont even make sense because they break all links and you clearly DONT know the loading pattern of these services.
3. You are not that stupid but just fooling around here.
Originally posted by hiphop2009:Yew tee
Has been requested many times to no avail. Forget terminal, they dont even give extra services to Yew Tee even though BSEP was launch more than 18 months back.
Not a single trunk route to Yew Tee.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:YCK demand is low?? Your statement really surprises me...
YCK is not as developed as other towns.
I mean, look at the population there. DEFINITELY not a lot I tell you.
Or let me out it this way. Why aren't there developments in Punggol Central before 2010? I tell you beforehand ah, as of 2008 Punggol population still surpasses YCK with a population standing at approx 65,000 ppl. But why no developments for eg. a shopping centre in the central area, where rail commuters and Punggol South residents can head to?
Clearly developers would not resort to YCK until further development proceeds. In this case you can only cross your fingers that HDB would do something like building a two-storey retail mall or something. And that would most probably not fit an int inside.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Napier Rd carpark there just convert into a bus terminal..svc 36 also can terminate there..
YCK built to support AMK but surprisingly can get crowded at times
36 can be extended from Tomlinson Road to Napier Road CP.
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
36 can be extended from Tomlinson Road to Napier Road CP.
Hi mr TPs Timothy Mok, I see no major benefit for LTA to amend sbs 36 to stop at Napier road CP. Cheers
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr TPs Timothy Mok, I see no major benefit for LTA to amend sbs 36 to stop at Napier road CP. Cheers
Who cares if LTA benefit or not?
If LTA peeps are so profit-minded like you we will be walking to get to places!
You do know how awfully long a complete 36 journey takes?
It really strains the bus, the BC, and the schedule!
I mean, you didn't notice the cocked up consistency of 36 during PM peak and weekends?
Trust me and be appalled by the schedule mess.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Who cares if LTA benefit or not?
If LTA peeps are so profit-minded like you we will be walking to get to places!
You do know how awfully long a complete 36 journey takes?
It really strains the bus, the BC, and the schedule!
I mean, you didn't notice the cocked up consistency of 36 during PM peak and weekends?
Trust me and be appalled by the schedule mess.
Hi mr SMB128B, my original statement should have been 'I see no major benefit for sbs 36 so that it will make LTA amend sbs 36 for it to stop at Napier road CP.' In this way, it will have been clearer. Sorry for the poor English. I am not referring to any LTA benefit. Cheers.
In any way, this is how long trunk services which go for a loop at a road tend to experience messy scheduling. Not only sbs 36. Sbs 62 is another one. The list goes on. If they want to amend, they could have easily made sbs 62 stop at geylang lor 1 terminal which they did not. Even if you have successfully give sbs 36 a fixed terminal, you will not have helped all other services. Cheers.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr SMB128B, my original statement should have been 'I see no major benefit for sbs 36 so that it will make LTA amend sbs 36 for it to stop at Napier road CP.' In this way, it will have been clearer. Sorry for the poor English. I am not referring to any LTA benefit. Cheers.
In any way, this is how long trunk services which go for a loop at a road tend to experience messy scheduling. Not only sbs 36. Sbs 62 is another one. The list goes on. If they want to amend, they could have easily made sbs 62 stop at geylang lor 1 terminal which they did not. Even if you have successfully give sbs 36 a fixed terminal, you will not have helped all other services. Cheers.
Hehe.
At least I helped 36 and the thousands that relied on 36 to either get from Marine Parade to town (and vice versa) or roam within town.
And please. Loading for 62 is meagre compared to 36. And it has DD somemore.
And dont ask me what SBST is doing to svc 62 and 27. But I ask you why not save the strain on 36.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Hehe.
At least I helped 36 and the thousands that relied on 36 to either get from Marine Parade to town (and vice versa) or roam within town.
And please. Loading for 62 is meagre compared to 36. And it has DD somemore.
And dont ask me what SBST is doing to svc 62 and 27. But I ask you why not save the strain on 36.
As a daily user of sv36... freq has improved at certain times morning peak only... Still waiting for the DD that central planning unit say wants to implement for sv36B