I feel that this thread is required if we are going to suggest changes to SGWiki. This thread can be used for correcting the specifications of a bus, adding additional information, page naming (such as allocation of bus batches) and fixing mistakes on the page. Deployments, re-deployments, new registrations of buses and adverts will still use their respective topics.
Just to start off:
Volvo B10TL page -> ZF gearbox for retrofitted buses is 4HP 590, not 4HP 500. The 4HP 500 gearbox is only designed for engines that have a maximum input torque on 1100Nm, while the 590 version is desgined for 1250Nm at max. The D10A-285 produces a maximum torque on 1200Nm, hence the gearbox used should be the 590 version (If not SBS9888Y would have used ZF 5HP 500)
BSEP buses:
Currently the BSEP buses is named by a separate batch (starting from BSEP Batch 1), but the buses are ordered as a whole, not as a separate batch, so by right it should be named Batch 1 (BSEP). As for Wrights it should start from Batch 2B (BSEP) since it is part of the Batch 2B order.
MAN NL323F:
Official sources stated a total order of 400 buses (200 per order), hence those with the new livery should still be part of Batch 2 unless there are more delivered.
I would say that the Sentosa Buses page needs updating...
I would say the Past deployment of buses should not include BNDEP 31 --> CGBP 31 kind of changes. It is misleading, as the parent depot is still same and the bus is still on the same service. Only when the bus changes the service or becomes SP, it should be updated.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:I would say that the Sentosa Buses page needs updating...
Sentosa bus deployments (if necessary):
Bus 1: PA4136X, PA5278M, PA5279K
Bus 2: PA4139M, PA4144Y, PA5286P
Bus 3: RU3722G
This is all I know for now. Sorry for being unable to state other bus deployments...
For 169 deployment page:
Duty ? (Bus: TIB815Z) will perform two (2) crossover trips on Intra-Town 911E and subsequently will perform one (1) supplementary trip on SWT 169A during Weekdays AM Peak. It will also perform on 169 on Weekends (Duty 169AP07) .
Add in the green highlighted part...
Another suggestion, I have noticed the legend for the new EZ-Link card readers has been removed for all SMRT buses. This is because all traning buses have been fitted with the readers also. However, it is a different case for the private plated Dennis Lances, only PA715B and PA716Z has the readers installed as of now.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:Sentosa bus deployments (if necessary):
Bus 1: PA4136X, PA5278M, PA5279K
Bus 2: PA4139M, PA4144Y, PA5286P
Bus 3: RU3722G
This is all I know for now. Sorry for being unable to state other bus deployments...
Updated Sentosa deployments:
Bus 1: PA4136X, PA5278M, RU3718U, RU3721J (suspected)
Bus 2: PA4139M, PA4144Y, PA5279K, PA5286P
Bus 3: RU3722G
Beach Station > Siloso Point/Imbiah Lookout Shuttle: PA4137T, PA4138R, PA5451D (suspected), PA5478C, RU3720L, random Bus 1 and 2 Volvo B7RLEs...
Spare: PA5456R, RU3719S
I'm not sure what happened to the two pink Volvo DDs, might have been deregistered...
Originally posted by 23ispolo:Updated Sentosa deployments:
Bus 1: PA4136X, PA5278M, RU3718U, RU3721J (suspected)
Bus 2: PA4139M, PA4144Y, PA5279K, PA5286P
Bus 3: RU3722G
Beach Station > Siloso Point/Imbiah Lookout Shuttle: PA4137T, PA4138R, PA5451D (suspected), PA5478C, RU3720L, random Bus 1 and 2 Volvo B7RLEs...
Spare: PA5456R, RU3719S
I'm not sure what happened to the two pink Volvo DDs, might have been deregistered...
Error:
PA5451D is Training...
Originally posted by 23ispolo:Updated Sentosa deployments:
Bus 1: PA4136X, PA5278M, RU3718U, RU3721J (suspected)
Bus 2: PA4139M, PA4144Y, PA5279K, PA5286P
Bus 3: RU3722G
Beach Station > Siloso Point/Imbiah Lookout Shuttle: PA4137T, PA4138R, PA5451D (suspected), PA5478C, RU3720L, random Bus 1 and 2 Volvo B7RLEs...
Spare: PA5456R, RU3719S
I'm not sure what happened to the two pink Volvo DDs, might have been deregistered...
Reupdated:
Bus 1: RU3718U, RU3719S, RU3721J
Bus 2: PA4136X (possible), PA4139M, PA5279K
Bus 3: RU3722G
Beach Station > Siloso Point/Imbiah Lookout Shuttle: PA4137T, PA4138R, PA4144Y, PA5286P, PA5478C, random Bus 1 and 2 Volvo B7RLEs...
Spare: PA5278M, PA5451D, PA5456R, RU3720L
Errors for OAC O405 page:
1. TIB626C has purple seats, not OC...
2. TIB618B has purple seats, not green...
3. TIB534J has Mobitec EDS...
4. TIB831B has green seats, not OC...
The years of former deployments of buses have many ridiculous mistakes also.
For example,
| SBS9212Y | BNDEP 10 (1994 - 2000), BBDEP 7 (2000 - 2006), BBDEP 196 (2006 - 2007), SLBP SP (2007 - 2012), SLBP 193 (2012 - 2013) |
This bus was with 196 until 2012 when redeployed to SLBP and replaced by Wright.
| SBS9253D | BBDEP 99 (1994 - 2002), BBDEP SP (2002 - 2009), BBDEP 198 (2009 - 2011), ARBP 132 (2011 - 2012), BBDEP 165/285 (2012 - 2013) |
This bus was redeployed to 198 in 2002 and in 2006 redeployed to 132 when 198 took in B9TL CDGE.
| SBS9372T | BBDEP 7 (1995 - 2002), BBDEP 198 (2002 - 2012), BBDEP SP (2012), ARBP 111 (2012) |
This bus was on 198 since the beginning in 1995 until 2012.
just to name a few.
Originally posted by SMB388S:sgwiki must close because BIS say deployment and cameos all useless otaku ocd~
Originally posted by Chrismartin13601:What is BIS, where is URL? You promote it a lot but cannot find on google search!
BIS = (buses[IN]gapore!). It's a facebook page.
And just disregard SMB388S posts, just look at his post and account history and you should know why.
Originally posted by SBS9C:BIS = (buses[IN]gapore!). It's a facebook page.
And just disregard SMB388S posts, just look at his post and account history and you should know why.
Originally posted by Chrismartin13601:Thanks for the advice- I did a bit of searching and it was only him telling everyone to abandon all other sources and use BIS; I don't do Facebook so think I will stick to SGWiki which has served me well as an occasional visitor from the UK.
SMB388S is just a puppet of Singapore Buses Facebook page & their affiliate pages/members, and had other variation of clones such as SMB228X and IDGAF accounts.
I don't even know why sgWiki user SBS3107H removes all SMRT Weekends permanent services. Is there any problem with it ._.
Originally posted by SMB238S:I don't even know why sgWiki user SBS3107H removes all SMRT Weekends permanent services. Is there any problem with it ._.
Me neither... I guess is because don't want to confuse SMRT Weekend deployments with SBS deployments (no such thing as Weekend perms for Weekends for SBS)...
How about a section for PPSS deployments? Just to start off:
Operators:
Buses:
PA3888R PC2274H PC2430Z
3 Yutong ZK6107H
Notes:
Operators:
Buses:
PA7460P PA7727X PA7963E
3 Isuzu LT134P
PC382S
1 Zhong Tong Sunny LCK6103G
Notes:
some suggestions here:
Volvo B9TL (Batch 1) - there is a slight difference between the ZF Ecolife 6AP1403B and 6AP1410B gearboxes. the 1403B is equipped with AIN (automatic idle neutral) whilst 1410B is equipped with NBS (neutral at bus stopping). AIN is an improved version of NBS where the gearbox does not enter N on stopping when the gradient the bus is on exceeds 7%. the only way to determine which buses use the 1403/1410B gearboxes is pretty much to see if the 'rollback' on a steep hill, which is very unfeasible. would recommend simplifying to ZF Ecolife 6AP14xxB for gearbox.
Volvo B9TL (all WEG2s) - unless the gearbox model can be confirmed via other means, the gearbox for all B9TLs shoud not be assumed as the WEG2 B9TLs use a standardised gear selector (its a row of buttons on the right of the driver, white D/R and blue N).
MAN A22s (all buses) - similar to the above, although the gear selector is a knob with D, N, R.
MAN A22s (batch 2) - there was earlier discussion about the gearbox/retarder configuration of the late batch 2 A22s, which may be slightly inaccurate as its a change in the radiator configuration of the newer A22s. the B1 and early B2 A22s have a radiator whose spool speed is linked to the engine spool, whilst the later B2 A22s have their radiator spool speeds linked to the cooling requirement of the radiator. assuming that the ZF 6AP1700B is stil in use with the B2 A22s, it is safe to say its not a gearbox/retarder configuration change but a radiator configuration change.
MAN A24 (SMB388S) - unless confirmed, the gearbox should be left as a Voith DIWA 884, without specification of the .5 or .6 DIWA variant. the .6 DIWA gearboxes are equipped with Sensotop, which is the Voith equivalent of Topodyn Life. Unless Sensotop programming on 388S can be confirmed, the gearbox should be left as Voith DIWA 884. Also, engine model should be the MAN D2066LUH-33 instead of LUH-3. The D2066-LUH33 is the uprated version of the D2066LUH-32 found on the A22s, with 360bhp/1800Nm and Euro 5 emission standards.
MAN A24 (orders) - unless additional A24s have entered service, the quanitty under 2014 should be left as 0.
Originally posted by AnythingGoesLa:some suggestions here:
Volvo B9TL (WEG2 Batch 1) - there is a slight difference between the ZF Ecolife 6AP1403B and 6AP1410B gearboxes. the 1403B is equipped with AIN (automatic idle neutral) whilst 1410B is equipped with NBS (neutral at bus stopping). AIN is an improved version of NBS where the gearbox does not enter N on stopping when the gradient the bus is on exceeds 7%. the only way to determine which buses use the 1403/1410B gearboxes is pretty much to see if the 'rollback' on a steep hill, which is very unfeasible. would recommend simplifying to ZF Ecolife 6AP14xxB for gearbox.
Volvo B9TL (all WEG2s) - unless the gearbox model can be confirmed via other means, the gearbox for all B9TLs shoud not be assumed as the WEG2 B9TLs use a standardised gear selector (its a row of buttons on the right of the driver, white D/R and blue N).
MAN A22s (all buses) - similar to the above, although the gear selector is a knob with D, N, R.
MAN A22s (batch 2) - there was earlier discussion about the gearbox/retarder configuration of the late batch 2 A22s, which may be slightly inaccurate as its a change in the radiator configuration of the newer A22s. the B1 and early B2 A22s have a radiator whose spool speed is linked to the engine spool, whilst the later B2 A22s have their radiator spool speeds linked to the cooling requirement of the radiator. assuming that the ZF 6AP1700B is stil in use with the B2 A22s, it is safe to say its not a gearbox/retarder configuration change but a radiator configuration change.
MAN A24 (SMB388S) - unless confirmed, the gearbox should be left as a Voith DIWA 884, without specification of the .5 or .6 DIWA variant. the .6 DIWA gearboxes are equipped with Sensotop, which is the Voith equivalent of Topodyn Life. Unless Sensotop programming on 388S can be confirmed, the gearbox should be left as Voith DIWA 884. Also, engine model should be the MAN D2066LUH-33 instead of LUH-3. The D2066-LUH33 is the uprated version of the D2066LUH-32 found on the A22s, with 360bhp/1800Nm and Euro 5 emission standards.
MAN A24 (orders) - unless additional A24s have entered service, the quanitty under 2014 should be left as 0.
Can date be added to the deployments page so that you know the exact date the bus was registered???