Do you prefer KUB or Citaro?
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Both nice. Both have pros and cons. Like the others said... The fact that KUB is bodied by GML is... :/
I agree with 'Bus Stopping' the intergral units are best. -
Originally posted by 23ispolo:
SBS8262J also very nice
SBS8149D
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Citaro over KUB any day. Since today is Christmas, I should save all the negative remarks for myself.
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No bus model is bad.
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Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:
Citaro over KUB any day. Since today is Christmas, I should save all the negative remarks for myself.
Wow, ur back after MIAing for so long. Almost thought u ditched this forum u created.
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Originally posted by At the Bed:
Wow, ur back after MIAing for so long. Almost thought u ditched this forum u created.
MIA? Lol
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Originally posted by SBS3050L:
MIA? Lol
Missing-in-Action
(MIA)
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Gemilang SMRT OCs also a little cui, interior can rattle quite badly. Citaros have its company's bodywork, probably why it's sturdier than Gemilang, because the company of the chassis knows its own bodywork the best...
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Yep
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The most sturdy and durable bodywork have to be the Hispano
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On high-demand services I'd prefer KUB. More spacious. For low-demand services, I'd prefer Citaro, more comfortable.
Riding a Citaro on service 28 on a sunday morning from Toa Payoh to Serangoon is just awesome. But riding on a crowded Citaro on service 83 towards Punggol on a saturday evening is :/
Yeah both buses have their own pros and cons so I like them both equally, just better at different situations that's all.
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Personally, I feel that the seats of KUB are more comfortable and the air-con on Citaro is stronger.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
The most sturdy and durable bodywork have to be the Hispano
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Originally posted by Jeek:
But riding on a crowded Citaro on service 83 towards Punggol on a saturday evening is :/
yeah. 83 needs KUB or Volvo. Citaro cannot lah. 83 quite a lot of movement inside.
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im for neither (sorry for being such a party pooper), although the KUB fares better than the Citaro.
The KUBs driveline allows it to fully exploit its somewhat low-end DC9 engine for optimised acceleration and hence makes it easier for BCs to keep on schedule or even rush to make up for lost time. The Citaros have a stronger powerplant in the OM906hLA, but the driveline mulls the drivability of the Citaro should there be a need to rush or keep on schedule. Even so, im very tempted to think that the KUB is pathetic in terms of startability (esp with a 5.77:1 drive axle reduction ratio) and it would be suicidal in terms of FC to floor a KUB.
Whilst the Citaro comes out above the KUB in terms of safety and structural design/integrity, the interior seating of the Citaro isnt as optimized to handle crush loads.
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I prefer KUB
1. Higher capacity (good standing place). Observed people move more to the rear of a KUB than Citaro
2. Seats are well aligned unlike Citaro where you have many seats in opposite direction of travel that hardly get used even in peak hours.
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Unconfirmed.
citaro is 11.95m long.
Info from a Bus Page~ (sorry forgot what's the name) was quite a long time ago.
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The Scania DSC9 inline 5 power delivery come early as 1000-1200rpm but lost breathe after 1800-2100rpm while the Citaros peak power only come after 1500 al the way till 2300rpm till the rev cut kicks in
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Citaro rpm max is 99.9 leh.
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50kmh already 1400rpm how come max only 990rpm?
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U know the green big digital thingy at the driver dashboard? Just slightly to the right of the speedometer. There's the thing which displays the rpm. And I observed it before that it is only max is 99.9 as shown in there.
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Originally posted by At the Bed:
U know the green big digital thingy at the driver dashboard? Just slightly to the right of the speedometer. There's the thing which displays the rpm. And I observed it before that it is only max is 99.9 as shown in there.
dont be so quick to comment on whatever your see.
The green area to the right of the Speedo is the MFD (Multi-functional display) that is integral to the Continental Drivers Workplace (DWP) dashboard used on the local Citaros. It displays all the information the BC needs to know, ranging from parking brake activation to doors open/close to status messages should any faults arise. Its a monochrome display to meet VDV (German Public Tpt Union) requirements for the BC's workplace.
the 99.9 there refers to the REAL TIME FUEL-CONSUMPTION of the Citaro (in L/100km units when moving or L/h when stationary). It has little or no relation to the rpm of the engine because fuel consumption will be near 0km/100L when a Citaro is cruising at 60 as the ECU cuts off turbocharging and thereby reduces the FC of the Citaro steeply even though the Citaro engine will still be running at ~1500rpm.
The other figure bewlow, generally in the 40-50+ L/100km range is the AVERAGE FC of the Citaro since its pressed into service.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
The Scania DSC9 inline 5 power delivery come early as 1000-1200rpm but lost breathe after 1800-2100rpm while the Citaros peak power only come after 1500 al the way till 2300rpm till the rev cut kicks in
1. the engine used is a DC9-19 or DC9-30 depending on whether its an E4/E5 KUB.
2. The DSC9 is an Euro 3 6-cyl diesel engine, which is phased out in favour of the DC9 5-cyl engines circa 2005.
3. The torque curve of the DC9-19/30s peak at 1000/1100rpm respectively and sustain at 1050Nm till 1500rpm. The 'power delivery' i believe youre referring to is the torque that you experience when the KUB moves off. The power curve of the DC9s peak at ~1900rpm, but torque degradation after 1500rpm is particularly severe leading to a 'loss of breath' in the 1800-2100rpm range.
4. How do you know that the Citaro's peak power only comes in after 1500rpm and ends at 2300rpm? There is NO tachometer for you to verify the rpm of the OM906hLA engine!
5. The OM906hLA on the Citaro has a torque curve that peaks @ 1120Nm in the range of 1200-1600rpm. the power curve, on the other hand, peaks at 288bhp @ 2200rpm and is in no way significant till after 1600rpm.
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Aiya no need so details here la bro,at least some of us here know whats basic.
I do practical the most not theory..Talk until mouth bubble also no point and this aint technical forum...k bye