[BSEP] New bus service 49 (Taman Jur - JW St 42) from 14 Dec
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
128 was a test route for SBS to complement NS line to city...
868 was a test route for SMRT for BB to city...
As ev1 knows, chinese like number 8
128 > easy prosperity
868 > prosperity and continuous prosperity8 has no effect on bus service...
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Originally posted by SBS9067A:
8 has no effect on bus service...
Some special route numbers are introduced for a reason...
Service wise is another matter -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
27 was from Tampines to CGA before being extended to SKG, finali HG ctrl
50(long time ago),51 started from old Eunos Interchange way before BSH was built
74 Upp Sgn Terminal*
89, 8x HG/SKG area, x9/xx9 serve Changi Village/Cargo Complex
107 were HG area buses
112 was from Buona Vista long time back
but subsequently 116/118 for HG for city area buses ,
112/113 was renamed from HG feeder svcs, with 115,116 coming on later
325 was part of the 32x feeder serving HG south bus interchange but with closure and renumbering of feeders, 325 was left and re-routed to HG ctrl
132 extended from AMK
147 and 142 used to serve Potong Pasir/Toa Payoh area
151(old),153 Toa Payoh area buses that were re-introduced
161 was to complement 16x bus service that terminate at Woodlands
165 AMK area extended to HG > HG ctrl
There is much flake abt rt.49 from Taman Jurong...
LTA's did probably did not think thorough for renumbering of this BSEP bus...
4,20 > East side
116 > HG
120 > Bt Merah area
141 > Toa Payoh
972 > BPJ service
850E > YIS
951E > WDL
971E > BPJ
Adding on 40,41,44 used to serve Chai Chee/Bedok area...
Long ago, 70,71.72.73 > Yio Chu Kang area
74, 75,76 > Clementi
Recently with the introduction of the remaining 43,45,48 to serve UEC area...
49 functions as a loop service, better to number it out or place a prefix behind as it complements 98 > 98D (nt Hang Hau North)Thanks for it bro... It's hard to tell the rest all these for me...
Can't understand why SG don't use the prefix system when the number has alr reached 985...
Can consider 98M since it plies the MRT...
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Thanks for it bro... It's hard to tell the rest all these for me...
Can't understand why SG don't use the prefix system when the number has alr reached 985...
Can consider 98M since it plies the MRT...
If many prefixes were used on one number just because of some similarities in some routes (in this case, 49, 98 and 98M having the same route from Jurong West St 51 to Corporation Dr), it may cause confusion to passengers...in fact, nearly half a century ago, Singapore bus network uses prefixes for different routes with some similarities, but it didn't turn out well back then due to the point I stated above from what I heard...
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You know, if Dennis Darts were still around, I'd imagine that they'd use it for 49 first.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
27 was from Tampines to CGA before being extended to SKG, finali HG ctrl
50(long time ago),51 started from old Eunos Interchange way before BSH was built
74 Upp Sgn Terminal*
89, 8x HG/SKG area, x9/xx9 serve Changi Village/Cargo Complex
107 were HG area buses
112 was from Buona Vista long time back
but subsequently 116/118 for HG for city area buses ,
112/113 was renamed from HG feeder svcs, with 115,116 coming on later
325 was part of the 32x feeder serving HG south bus interchange but with closure and renumbering of feeders, 325 was left and re-routed to HG ctrl
132 extended from AMK
147 and 142 used to serve Potong Pasir/Toa Payoh area
151(old),153 Toa Payoh area buses that were re-introduced
161 was to complement 16x bus service that terminate at Woodlands
165 AMK area extended to HG > HG ctrl
There is much flake abt rt.49 from Taman Jurong...
LTA's did probably did not think thorough for renumbering of this BSEP bus...
4,20 > East side
116 > HG
120 > Bt Merah area
141 > Toa Payoh
972 > BPJ service
850E > YIS
951E > WDL
971E > BPJ
Adding on 40,41,44 used to serve Chai Chee/Bedok area...
Long ago, 70,71.72.73 > Yio Chu Kang area
74, 75,76 > Clementi
Recently with the introduction of the remaining 43,45,48 to serve UEC area...
49 functions as a loop service, better to number it out or place a prefix behind as it complements 98 > 98D (nt Hang Hau North)i know the history of these bus routes/number.. pls tell it to that stubborn person who insist that he cant find example of interchanges for which the service number are messy...and keep saying that sv49 is not suitable for this route... and btw, Sv51 stop at jalan eunos terminal (not the current interchange) before it was amended...
with almost all the numbers being used up in the 1-200 range, any number will be fine for this service... dun see the point of saying it is stupid to use this number...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Some special route numbers are introduced for a reason...
Service wise is another matterThe guy said "8 for prosparity..."
So no.
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Originally posted by SBS9067A:
The guy said "8 for prosparity..."
So no.
The top peeps at SBST/SMRT decided on 128/868 for the parrallel service in the morning...
Unless a better reason can be found when there isnt any, these 2 route numbers are for luck and prosperity -
Originally posted by lemon1974:
i know the history of these bus routes/number.. pls tell it to that stubborn person who insist that he cant find example of interchanges for which the service number are messy...and keep saying that sv49 is not suitable for this route... and btw, Sv51 stop at jalan eunos terminal (not the current interchange) before it was amended...
with almost all the numbers being used up in the 1-200 range, any number will be fine for this service... dun see the point of saying it is stupid to use this number...
yah 51,13, M4(later on) shiok to board at the terminal which is now a underutilised carpark...
Too much restriction in the numbers allocation(for SBST) ie below 200 trunk, 2xx - 3xx feeder
40x for park services...
Numbers will run out sooner or later... -
Rumour has it that tomorrow and Sunday, we can actually board 49 for free, which means lots of people will be more aware of this bus service and so more buses will be deployed...or not.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
yah 51,13, M4(later on) shiok to board at the terminal which is now a underutilised carpark...
Too much restriction in the numbers allocation(for SBST) ie below 200 trunk, 2xx - 3xx feeder
40x for park services...
Numbers will run out sooner or later...Did the original 382 & 385 start from the old Jln Eunos terminal or the new Eunos Interchange?
Anyway, I predict that the new JKN interchange will see the consolidation of Tmn Jurong and SLBP bus routes over there.
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Originally posted by SBS9067A:
Rumour has it that tomorrow and Sunday, we can actually board 49 for free, which means lots of people will be more aware of this bus service and so more buses will be deployed...or not.
[http://www.jurongcentral.sg/index.php/component/content/article/22-events/369-the-new-bus-service-49]
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Originally posted by TIB987K:
This is a brilliant idea to promote a new bus route. They should have kept it until Monday, so that the working people who might not head out on weekend could also get more aware. After all, it is about changing people's pattern. Those who are used to taking 334 for years to Jurong, now have to make a change, which initially is always difficult because you are so comfortable with your regular journey.
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On prefix/suffix
I don't think we should have more of these. It gets more confusing for passengers. They are totally okay for short working trips or short loops like 147A, 163M.
49 and 98 route is not identical for it to become 98D or 98J or whatever. 49 covers many sectors within Lakeside and Jurong West giving relief to many crowded services
Yuan Ching Road (154) - 154A was specially introduced to relieve loading here
Tan Ching Road (246) - notoriously bad frequency, making people walk to bus stops for 98/240/154
Corporation Road (98)
Jurong West St 51 (98)
Jurong West Ave 1 (new connection)
Jurong West St 42 (new connection to Lakeside, relief to 334)
Jurong West St 41 (new connection to Lakeside, relief to 335)
I don't see why such a route should not have a unique number but have 98x when it parallels different services at different points in its route.
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Originally posted by iveco:
Did the original 382 & 385 start from the old Jln Eunos terminal or the new Eunos Interchange?
Anyway, I predict that the new JKN interchange will see the consolidation of Tmn Jurong and SLBP bus routes over there.
Eh, 382/385 SHOULD be from Jln Eunos Ter...(cant rem), M4 was the most interesting route before withdrawn with 15 extended to Marine Parade area...
still rem taking O305s on 385 before rt. is merged after 63 extended from Macpherson and 226 combine with 385 to become 60... -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
On prefix/suffix
I don't think we should have more of these. It gets more confusing for passengers. They are totally okay for short working trips or short loops like 147A, 163M.
49 and 98 route is not identical for it to become 98D or 98J or whatever. 49 covers many sectors within Lakeside and Jurong West giving relief to many crowded services
Yuan Ching Road (154) - 154A was specially introduced to relieve loading here
Tan Ching Road (246) - notoriously bad frequency, making people walk to bus stops for 98/240/154
Corporation Road (98)
Jurong West St 51 (98)
Jurong West Ave 1 (new connection)
Jurong West St 42 (new connection to Lakeside, relief to 334)
Jurong West St 41 (new connection to Lakeside, relief to 335)
I don't see why such a route should not have a unique number but have 98x when it parallels different services at different points in its route.
I do not see why the route numbering is such a big deal.
The quoted section is the closest explanation I have seen as to why Route 49 is introduced.
I think Route 49 is a brilliant move. The person certainly knows what he is doing.
Anyone intending to make any judgement or evaluation should wait till the coming weekday.
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The reason for prefix is to better let commuters remember that the new bus route is a variant of the original longer route, rather than let them think what is this 49...
In HK, the prefix is added for the same reasons. KMB 1, 1A
In Barcelona, a third digit is added to indicate an express version of the route, eg
65 - El Prat > Place de Espanya
165 - El Prat > Place de Espanya (express sector)
Even if no prefix is added, commuters need to be more alert, evening runs on certain XHT eg 112,170 stop at MongKok for better deployment of buses
In order for commuters not to get confused, the EDS displays differently.
Normal rt.112 : So Uk 112,
Special trips rt.112 : 112 Mong Kok
London Tfl 73 used to run alternate(sometimes) trips between Victoria and Seven Sisters/Stoke Newington, the final destination is displayed very clearly on the front of the bus
SG commuters need to be aware and are definitely capable to differentiate the correct bus route... -
Originally posted by sgbuses:
I do not see why the route numbering is such a big deal.
The quoted section is the closest explanation I have seen as to why Route 49 is introduced.
I think Route 49 is a brilliant move. The person certainly knows what he is doing.
Anyone intending to make any judgement or evaluation should wait till the coming weekday.
Yes, agreed and you are expressing the same sentiments as mine. I don't see why a route number is a big deal. If people wonder what this route number is, they should find out. If they still don't know after a week or two, they are dumb. If you renumber the route as 98X, people will get more confused. Someone from Lakeside might take the bus to Jurong Green CC thinking it parallel 98 route, when it does not.
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Originally posted by TIB987K:
Thanks bro.
Wondering if the reason why they give out this free bus service is also because some guy forgot to program the coding for the ezlink card fares such that they will charge us accordingly, and this would be a brilliant move to cover up and to measure distances along the way because the man was never told to do so, not until today or something. But regardless, this is possibly to raise awareness and get everyone at Taman Jurong (which includes me) to come on down and go to Jurong East free of charge (and vice versa), though yes, keeping it until Monday and possibly Tuesday would be a better move since the weekend is not a working day, not for about 90% of the people.
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Originally posted by SBS9067A:
Thanks bro.
Wondering if the reason why they give out this free bus service is also because some guy forgot to program the coding for the ezlink card fares such that they will charge us accordingly, and this would be a brilliant move to cover up and to measure distances along the way because the man was never told to do so, not until today or something. But regardless, this is possibly to raise awareness and get everyone at Taman Jurong (which includes me) to come on down and go to Jurong East free of charge (and vice versa), though yes, keeping it until Monday and possibly Tuesday would be a better move since the weekend is not a working day, not for about 90% of the people.
Let's be positive and say that they did the right move to create more public awareness
and I think in your post above you meant Lakeside is it? -
On the assumption that new BSEP bus routes are numbered after the existing type of bus routes in the area they are introduced, the following numbers are available for the BSEP trunk routes in Jurong East, Jurong West and the Industrial areas. (based on the bus routes in Jurong East Bus Interchange and Boon Lay Bus Interchange):
In the 4X series - 41, 44,46,47,49.
In the 6X series - 68.
In the 7X series - 71.
In the 10X series - 104,108.
In the 14X series - 140, 144, 146, 148, 149.
In the 15X series - 150, 152.
In the 16X series - 164.
In the 24X series - 244,245,247,248. However, 244 and 245 may be reserved for future feeder services in Jurong West.
In the 25X series - 250, 253, 256, 258, 259.
*10-19,20-29,30-39,50-59,90-99,170-179,180-189,190-200 are already full.
After observing the '2-99' list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bus_routes_in_Singapore#900.E2.80.93985 , it seems to me that this bus route '49' could have been numbered along with the 5X series(51,52) from Jurong East. numbers 40-59 seem to be dominated in the East area. Maybe this route 49 is numbered so that the two trunk routes at Jurong East would look more appropriate in 51 and 52, along with 48 which goes to Buona Vista. (spreading from east to west)
Anyway, since we are at this topic, let’s take a look at how the bus routes are numbered at other countries/cities.
Korea: 1st/1st few numbers according to the places they originate/serve/terminate, last/last few numbers is their “serial number” (similar to a student’s index number in his form class).[http://visitkorea.or.kr/enu/SI/SI_EN_3_6.jsp?cid=257573]
Sydney: Each area/region has its own set of numbers for the bus routes there. (Similar to Singapore’s numbering system)[http://sydneybusroutes.com/index.php/about/bus-route-numbering#110]
Beijing: routes are assigned numbers based on which zone of the city they run in or what kind of routes they are. (Similar to Singapore’s numbering system)[http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/beijing/transportation/bus.htm]
It seems to me that our bus numbering system is similar to that in Beijing and Sydney.
Hence, should there be a change (which is unlikely) in future, the one in Korea is probably how the numbering system would become.
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98 divide by two = 49.
Maybe ^ this is how they numbered this new BSEP bus route.
#solved. :)
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Originally posted by Pervertedboy:
On the assumption that new BSEP bus routes are numbered after the existing type of bus routes in the area they are introduced, the following numbers are available for the BSEP trunk routes in Jurong East, Jurong West and the Industrial areas. (based on the bus routes in Jurong East Bus Interchange and Boon Lay Bus Interchange):
In the 4X series - 41, 44,46,47,49.
In the 6X series - 68.
In the 7X series - 71.
In the 10X series - 104,108.
In the 14X series - 140, 144, 146, 148, 149.
In the 15X series - 150, 152.
In the 16X series - 164.
In the 24X series - 244,245,247,248. However, 244 and 245 may be reserved for future feeder services in Jurong West.
In the 25X series - 250, 253, 256, 258, 259.
*10-19,20-29,30-39,50-59,90-99,170-179,180-189,190-200 are already full.
After observing the '2-99' list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bus_routes_in_Singapore#900.E2.80.93985 , it seems to me that this bus route '49' could have been numbered along with the 5X series(51,52) from Jurong East. numbers 40-59 seem to be dominated in the East area. Maybe this route 49 is numbered so that the two trunk routes at Jurong East would look more appropriate in 51 and 52, along with 48 which goes to Buona Vista. (spreading from east to west)
Anyway, since we are at this topic, let’s take a look at how the bus routes are numbered at other countries/cities.
Korea: 1st/1st few numbers according to the places they originate/serve/terminate, last/last few numbers is their “serial number” (similar to a student’s index number in his form class).[http://visitkorea.or.kr/enu/SI/SI_EN_3_6.jsp?cid=257573]
Sydney: Each area/region has its own set of numbers for the bus routes there. (Similar to Singapore’s numbering system)[http://sydneybusroutes.com/index.php/about/bus-route-numbering#110]
Beijing: routes are assigned numbers based on which zone of the city they run in or what kind of routes they are. (Similar to Singapore’s numbering system)[http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/beijing/transportation/bus.htm]
It seems to me that our bus numbering system is similar to that in Beijing and Sydney.
Hence, should there be a change (which is unlikely) in future, the one in Korea is probably how the numbering system would become.
If you look at the numbers pointed out, I would rule out 41-47 (no connection)
68 should be for future Tampines - Little India service (when it splits from 67)
71 should be for Jurong - Penjuru Crescent service
104, 108 - Could well be NEL services
140 - 149 seem more appropriate for Toa Payoh - AMK services
150, 152 - these are east west services like 151, 154, 156, 157
164 - this is hybrid, but this should be reserved for future Woodlands - SBST area service
So which one is a good service number to give?
The only thing they could have possibly done is numbered the service 332 to have synergies with 334, 335 but I think the 33x series is for Jurong Int feeders and so they must have not given
Likewise the 24x series of feeders is for Boon Lay Interchange, so they must have refrained from giving 244 or 245 as the number as well.
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Today is the launch day of bus service 49, and so far the buses we have are...
SBS6420H (previously SLBP SP, as said by the driver),
an unknown Citaro, and
SBS3368X, meaning that there could be 4 Wrights and 4 Citaros (or maybe 3 of each).
Intervals are estimated 10 minutes per bus (measured).
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This BSEP bus route is a Trunk service - confirmed by http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/transport/trpt_bus_timetable.aspx . Hence, yes, the BSEP bus route cannot be given a number in the 33X series as that series is for Feeder services originating from Jurong East Bus Interchange.
Whereas for the number 49 given to this BSEP bus route, I think it is now very obvious that it may be derived from dividing 98 by two, since this BSEP bus route serves the areas along Jurong West Avenue 1, Jurong West Street 51, Boon Lay Way-Corporation Road (this section is an inevitable duplication) and Corporation Drive (the areas along Yuan Ching Road) – to some extent being a complementary to bus route 98.
I think we have been on this for a bit too long already. Let’s move on and discuss other things, shall we?
As I have predicted earlier, the frequency is indeed similar to the other BSEP bus routes when they were initially launched: 10-15 minutes. Hence, the number of buses deployed to this BSEP bus route is indeed (very likely to be) what I have predicted: in the range of 5-7 buses.