Bus Rts that have buses not bothering to adhere to schedule
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S961: Fly stop, BC never bother to slow down.. keep on chionging non stop... S179: Classic. BC can be early on schedule by 5 mins.. bunch w/ the front bus... Leaving the next bus to tar all the waiting pax... Actual waiting time > 10 mins.... Actually 179 is a rubbish route... Since the moment got SLBP staff manipulate evening ops by self plan 179's timetable to be 3 mins [even BC say 179 is not 5 - 7 mins, is 3 mins during PM peak]... Totally bo zheng hu alrdy... 179's bus sv standard is nonsense one... Yes.. Thank you SLBP staff.. That's why Boon Lay Int always jam.. anyhow deploy buses one... Dun think I dunno.. last time got 1 uncle in green tell BC what time to leave.. and so kachiong standing at S179 berth trying to ensure less mess created by the over-ops...
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178 are always reaching earlier than expected timing. Another chiong master
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Bukit Batok:189 especially peak hours many play hide and seek or chiong faster to avoid crowded bus stops
CCK:67 from KJDEP side
BPJ:700,peak hours like waiting for svc 950 and 970 wait 25mins 1 bus then after 11 mins came 2 buses after that 28mins bus full
WDL:178,961 dunno why,add buses almost same pattern
SBW:980 especially weekends jialat
YIS:852,855 freq sucks,a lot of racer BCs
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I believe 179 is running at a freq far better than any other bus services in BNL. In fact, many people are taking the shuttle bus from/to Pioneer, that sometimes leave many 179A running empty. Those are all operating cost.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
S961: Fly stop, BC never bother to slow down.. keep on chionging non stop…
S179: Classic. BC can be early on schedule by 5 mins.. bunch w/ the front bus… Leaving the next bus to tar all the waiting pax… Actual waiting time > 10 mins….
Actually 179 is a rubbish route… Since the moment got SLBP staff manipulate evening ops by self plan 179’s timetable to be 3 mins [even BC say 179 is not 5 – 7 mins, is 3 mins during PM peak]... Totally bo zheng hu alrdy…
179’s bus sv standard is nonsense one… Yes.. Thank you SLBP staff.. That’s why Boon Lay Int always jam.. anyhow deploy buses one…
Dun think I dunno.. last time got 1 uncle in green tell BC what time to leave.. and so kachiong standing at S179 berth trying to ensure less mess created by the over-ops…
Time for Boon Lay hand over to SMRT and SMRT get MANdy for 179 and 179A~ -
I actually think SBS should just provide a bare minimum service for 179, meeting basic QOS standards in terms of waiting time. If NTU students need extra trips, NTU should be the one paying for these trips, why should double decks be given to NTU students who more likely than not have concession passes? These double decks could be used to operate routes where full paying passengers need them.
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Originally posted by Scania:
I actually think SBS should just provide a bare minimum service for 179, meeting basic QOS standards in terms of waiting time. If NTU students need extra trips, NTU should be the one paying for these trips, why should double decks be given to NTU students who more likely than not have concession passes? These double decks could be used to operate routes where full paying passengers need them.
I might have agreed some years ago, but with distance fares it's no longer beneficial to buy hybrid concession passes especially for NTU since most continue their commute using trains.
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That's LTA's cue... But in reality.. chickenlittle2's statement sounds like SLBP's staff cover up... Cos all along they didn't want to operate 179A though it was stipulated... So what they did... was come out with 2 patterns... That's why last time ever got timekeeper manipulating PM peak ops part... 1) Underoperate 179A by throwing buses to 179... To feed people to Pioneer... I got a reply from LTA stating SBST feeds 1700 ppl to Pioneer during the peak hrs... eh... 5 - 7 mins, 10 trips of ADD can feed 1700 ppl to Pioneer??? power sia SLBP... 1x ADD can carry 170 passengers! 2) Dun operate 179A at all.. Keep on spamming the buses to 27231... Then report that 179A no people take... Anyhow operate one! The 27231 downroute acted as a last resort because often in the past, students at South Spine had to wait until after 7pm in order to wait for a bus to get home... That's the reason why in from the beginning, 179A operated till 8pm... But this created problems for SLBP... That chickenlittle2 may him/ herself may not know... a) Because of how SLBP's manner of handling 179, often created a lot of problem whenever the spammed S179 buses return to BNL.. There's often an impulse load of 6 S179 jamming up Jurong West St 64 & Jurong West Central 3's driveway... SLBP's claim of traffic jam is excuse because I've observed that if whenever 179 is properly operated, the problematic queue is less or in fact, smooth sailing during certain peak hour timebelt! b) S179 often couldn't cope... BC become dangerous/ rude drivers... There was ever once the BC just didn't bother to wait for alighting pax at 27231.. Until passengers openly scolded the BC... BC say why not alighting fast.. I myself blasted the BC... Why no 179A bus to clear the crowd... keep on throwing 179 and underoperated... SLBP asking for it... In fact that very trip was crawling... took 30 mins to get from 27211 to BNL Int... c) Pioneer - NTU shuttle bus? The bus freq is capped by LTA at 5 mins freq during the AM peak... and how many people can the buses carry? d) The problem with 179A so called less utilised is because SLBP in the past kept on feeding the trolls.. at 27211 unofficial 179 freq set by SLBP is 3 mins.. so people kept on taking 179... cos got priority in boarding... leaving 27231, 27251 with only 179A to take... leaving those people who really need 179 being unable to board the bus at all.. bus just fly stop... e) There was an instance the Pioneer Rd Nth and Jurong West St 63/ Pioneer Stn was congested with the factory buses... But SLBP OCC didn't declare anything... and only 179 was able to be dispatched at 6 mins per bus.. Even S241 also lambat... But what to do? S179 managed to pull out ghost buses to maintain headways... Is this fair to S241 commuters or not? So.. SLBP kept on manipulating the bus schedules... Until the whole place's demand mgmt and other bus svs's ops end up so messy...
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chickenlittle2 obviously listen too much to SLBP... People never operate the buses are per stipulated also come with 1 list of excuses... Ask them go work in Braddell as Sv Devt them... so clever to ownself plan the bus schedule... Until also dunno Braddell HQ stipulated S179 freq for PM peak dun tally w/ SLBP's... SLBP dun operate the buses properly all those are excuses.. They created the mess themselves... Even there was once a TI from Braddell go check on S179's dispatch at 27251 months ago... He kept on shaking head how come he only see S179... no 179A... SLBP... really atas... ownself is boss though 179A's cue is set by LTA.. the govt... But seriously... S179 problem reminds me of the past... Everything timekeeper... That's why 179 always buses clusterfark then the next group of bus's headways is 10 mins or beyond... oh yah... SLBP really clever... 179A dun operate.. Govt fund for bus svs to be operated and improved under BSEP.. and SLBP say suka suka 179A dun operate... power sia...
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That's I believe the reason why 179 even during off peak, the BC can simply ignore the timesheet given to them.. cos depot/ timekeeper also dun care... dun catch...
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
I might have agreed some years ago, but with distance fares it's no longer beneficial to buy hybrid concession passes especially for NTU since most continue their commute using trains.
They should just take ISB D, whinging about buses which could help the general public instead of students of one particular institution where concession passes could be used and a parallel free shuttle is available shows how pampered some are, it is only fair for the school to pay for more buses to serve the ISB instead of leeching on resources which could help the public. -
Svc 80, PM peak towards Sengkang is terrible, with freq of max 26 mins before 1 fully loaded SD comes and another half-filled DD behind, followed by at least 2 more empty buses. Keep overtaking each other like the schedule is for idiot to read liddat. Must be some of the svc 80 BCs do one
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291 schedule at Tampines also can be erratic. At once, 2-3 buses come and there is a very long queue. Only relief is that since most of them are DDs, queue gets cleared fast.
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time to rebuild NTU terminal..... specially for 179....
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As a frequent 179A passenger, I have to say that I prefer taking 179A to school then taking the NTU shuttle even though my classes are in the south spine, meaning I will need to take a big round. The NTU shuttle can take ages to come and the freq can be real bad..the queue is super crazy also..have to wait 2 or even 3 buses before one can board, especially between 8am to 9am. However, no matter how many people queue for 179/179A, I will be able to board the first bus and most of the time I even get a seat. 179A is definitely more reliable than the NTU shuttle.
I have to agree that during PM peak, 179 may be hard to catch (esp if I am waiting at 27251) and I personally encountered that before. Waited for very long before 3 or even 4 buses come together. Most of the time the buses are already filled at the north spine stop (27211) and therefore it is real hard to board 179. I ever saw 2 buses (179) stopping at 27211 to pick up pax at the same time..the first one left with full pax and the 2nd was waiting at the bus stop to pick up more pax..and I thought the 2nd bus can actually go and pick up pax at the next few bus stops so that others at the next few bus stops can actually board the bus.
Last of all, from what I observe, about 60-70% of the 179A pax in the morning do not buy concession...
Well, just my 2 cents worth :)
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Hope MANdy production fleet will be official by March 2014~
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Originally posted by SMB42P:
As a frequent 179A passenger, I have to say that I prefer taking 179A to school then taking the NTU shuttle even though my classes are in the south spine, meaning I will need to take a big round. The NTU shuttle can take ages to come and the freq can be real bad..the queue is super crazy also..have to wait 2 or even 3 buses before one can board, especially between 8am to 9am. However, no matter how many people queue for 179/179A, I will be able to board the first bus and most of the time I even get a seat. 179A is definitely more reliable than the NTU shuttle.
I have to agree that during PM peak, 179 may be hard to catch (esp if I am waiting at 27251) and I personally encountered that before. Waited for very long before 3 or even 4 buses come together. Most of the time the buses are already filled at the north spine stop (27211) and therefore it is real hard to board 179. I ever saw 2 buses (179) stopping at 27211 to pick up pax at the same time..the first one left with full pax and the 2nd was waiting at the bus stop to pick up more pax..and I thought the 2nd bus can actually go and pick up pax at the next few bus stops so that others at the next few bus stops can actually board the bus.
Last of all, from what I observe, about 60-70% of the 179A pax in the morning do not buy concession...
Well, just my 2 cents worth :)
I think you have summarized it well. I find 179 is very reliable. Cannot say much about 179A. -
Whenever I travel to NTU as I give lectures there sometimes, I prefer taking the train to Pioneer and take 179. That's why I never take 179A. Why would someone** get down at Boon Lay to take 179A when they can get 179 from Pioneer and takes lesser time to reach NTU? For me 179 has always been very regular and most times on an average the bus has between 60-70 pax. Of course if bus is delayed, can go 100+ pax. But very good service and frequency.
** unless you take a bus and transfer at Boon Lay.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Whenever I travel to NTU as I give lectures there sometimes, I prefer taking the train to Pioneer and take 179. That's why I never take 179A. Why would someone** get down at Boon Lay to take 179A when they can get 179 from Pioneer and takes lesser time to reach NTU? For me 179 has always been very regular and most times on an average the bus has between 60-70 pax. Of course if bus is delayed, can go 100+ pax. But very good service and frequency.
** unless you take a bus and transfer at Boon Lay.
Hahahaha. Same thoughts exactly. Why would I spend time queuing at Boon Lay and let the bus go through 4 traffic lights and 1 pedestrian crossing when I could just spend 2 extra minute on the train to Pioneer.
Although, before sbst improved 179 in 2011/12, this will deprive the commuters along pioneer north road to board. But now, buses are never consecutively full to the door in the morning so I guess its fine.
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Agree. But the crowd at Pioneer MRT stop in the morning peak is very uncertain. Got a few times I waited and can only barely board the 2nd 179 at Pioneer stop at 8.15am. While waiting, at least 4 179As go past. So from then i go Boon Lay take 179A confirm can board unless its past morning peak or in the afternoon..but then now at times I will see downroutes from Pionner MRT in the morning so i guess that will clear the Pioneer MRT crowd...
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so mr pang fail to make his case in the lta, he come here and rant?
surely sending chunks of email to his so called da jie is better than this
or he just trying to show ppl he got ability to uncover other organisation dirty thing
to the rest pls ask urself, do u think mr pang will continue trying so hard with 179 once he grad from ntu
or is this juz a gimmick
do u know that he even gotten more paranoid he thinks ntusu stalk his fb
surely they gt better stuff to do..
some food for thot.. if mr pang ever start work in lta, do u think public tpt scene will be btr?
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Who is Mr Pang bro?TS?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
That’s LTA’s cue…
But in reality.. chickenlittle2’s statement sounds like SLBP’s staff cover up… Cos all along they didn’t want to operate 179A though it was stipulated…
So what they did… was come out with 2 patterns… That’s why last time ever got timekeeper manipulating PM peak ops part…
1) Underoperate 179A by throwing buses to 179… To feed people to Pioneer… I got a reply from LTA stating SBST feeds 1700 ppl to Pioneer during the peak hrs… eh… 5 – 7 mins, 10 trips of ADD can feed 1700 ppl to Pioneer??? power sia SLBP… 1x ADD can carry 170 passengers!
2) Dun operate 179A at all.. Keep on spamming the buses to 27231… Then report that 179A no people take… Anyhow operate one!
The 27231 downroute acted as a last resort because often in the past, students at South Spine had to wait until after 7pm in order to wait for a bus to get home… That’s the reason why in from the beginning, 179A operated till 8pm…
But this created problems for SLBP… That chickenlittle2 may him/ herself may not know…
a) Because of how SLBP’s manner of handling 179, often created a lot of problem whenever the spammed S179 buses return to BNL.. There’s often an impulse load of 6 S179 jamming up Jurong West St 64 & Jurong West Central 3’s driveway… SLBP’s claim of traffic jam is excuse because I’ve observed that if whenever 179 is properly operated, the problematic queue is less or in fact, smooth sailing during certain peak hour timebelt!
b) S179 often couldn’t cope… BC become dangerous/ rude drivers… There was ever once the BC just didn’t bother to wait for alighting pax at 27231.. Until passengers openly scolded the BC…
BC say why not alighting fast.. I myself blasted the BC… Why no 179A bus to clear the crowd… keep on throwing 179 and underoperated… SLBP asking for it… In fact that very trip was crawling… took 30 mins to get from 27211 to BNL Int…
c) Pioneer – NTU shuttle bus? The bus freq is capped by LTA at 5 mins freq during the AM peak… and how many people can the buses carry?
d) The problem with 179A so called less utilised is because SLBP in the past kept on feeding the trolls.. at 27211 unofficial 179 freq set by SLBP is 3 mins.. so people kept on taking 179… cos got priority in boarding…
leaving 27231, 27251 with only 179A to take… leaving those people who really need 179 being unable to board the bus at all.. bus just fly stop…
e) There was an instance the Pioneer Rd Nth and Jurong West St 63/ Pioneer Stn was congested with the factory buses… But SLBP OCC didn’t declare anything… and only 179 was able to be dispatched at 6 mins per bus.. Even S241 also lambat…
But what to do? S179 managed to pull out ghost buses to maintain headways… Is this fair to S241 commuters or not?
So.. SLBP kept on manipulating the bus schedules… Until the whole place’s demand mgmt and other bus svs’s ops end up so messy…
What you said about SLBP are serious allegations and you must be prepared to use hard evidence to back them up. For a start, you should be taking down timings and regos.
And I am surprised you still did not manage to figure out the real cause of the issue that led to your alleged observations.
It should be an easy fix by LTA. Go talk to them again. This is the only clue I can give. I am sorry but I am not allowed to comment further or point out what this issue is for legal reasons. You will have to figure it out yourself.
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291 cases is epic la,short distance too many buses also can cause crawling hence you see 3-4 buses in 6 mins timeframe then the next bus will arrive 17min and the cycle continue.Its hard to manage too many fleets for a short distance svc..Put too many DDs also very hard to fill,Today only 4 DDs run...
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Originally posted by SMB42P:
Agree. But the crowd at Pioneer MRT stop in the morning peak is very uncertain. Got a few times I waited and can only barely board the 2nd 179 at Pioneer stop at 8.15am. While waiting, at least 4 179As go past. So from then i go Boon Lay take 179A confirm can board unless its past morning peak or in the afternoon..but then now at times I will see downroutes from Pionner MRT in the morning so i guess that will clear the Pioneer MRT crowd...
Yes, the only advantage of Boon Lay is that you also get 179A from there. But I have never faced a problem even boarding the first 179 bus at Pioneer. I don't get a seat many times but equally many times I also get a seat.