How to improve our Public Transport system?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Read my post correctly can anot, tolong lah.
I said AT LEAST 1-2 svcs. Which part do u not understand? Talking English don't understand, want Tamil? Salah my head loh.
And yes, it can be done, KPE tunnel can fit DDs. Maybe can leave svc 80 as it is, but why not utilise KPE for the express I suggested in the opening post? Svc 80X? Just suggesting ah, use brain and read thx
Some services definitely need re-routing but not sv 80. How many services do you have from Hougang / Kovan that ply Upper Paya Lebar / Paya Lebar road? You tell me... -
Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Easy for you to say, why not put yourself in their position and give some suggestions on what you can do? Public transportation planning is an art, there are many ways to do it, and not all ways works as well. Every single thing that is needed, takes time and money to be built. And how do you know they dont want high capacity buses for BSEP? Buses dont magically get built, you know.
The DTL has been in planning since 10 years ago. If you could predict the future it's easy to say we should get longer trains, but who could? Till now we do not even know what the loadings for DTL would be, especially since it is not meant to replace the trunk lines (EWL), but as a supplement and replacement for bus services. Every single decision needs justification. Even if there was enough load to put 4-car trains, how much more would building an additional 24m per station cost and how would it affect the frequency of the entire system?
And so what is your stand exactly? In the opening post you have mentioned that improving connectivity is something LTA ought to do, but now you are saying that services implemented exactly for the reason should be removed? Svc 120 not only has bridged Alexendra area, but also partly stablised 195's frequency by sharing load. And that is what BSEP is meant for, improving connections and frequency where bus operators find it unprofitable to do so, paid for by the govt.
Why not put down your hindsight and start asking questions on why are things being done this way for the future?
I more or less agree with most of your statements... just that on sv 120... it is a waste... it has not really helped share load of sv 195... they don't even have one stop in common on the TBL side... I don't know what you are referring to here... If you are saying at Tiong Bahru... their routes are completely different to and from TB... so again it does not help 195.Have u observed sv 120? What load sharing? If a bus does not have more than 10-15 pax most of the times, it helps in load sharing? Sv 120 routing is so bad that it is a waste of resources. LTA should fix this ASAP.
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The only point I want to make is
Singapore Public Transport is already VERY GOOD, just a few steps need to be taken to make it EXCELLENT. (in SBST area)
Singapore Public Transport is NOT-SO-GOOD, and quite a few steps need to be taken to make it GOOD. (in SMRT area)
To start with LTA needs to take a decision on high capacity buses for SMRT area or transfer some of those areas like CCK/BBT or YIS to SBST. People have complained about the frequency, loading of these buses but to no vail.
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The induced demand created by CCL is pretty telling esp between the leg at Kent Ridge to Paya Lebar... Until Kent Ridge Stn bus stop 1x big mess...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Some services definitely need re-routing but not sv 80. How many services do you have from Hougang / Kovan that ply Upper Paya Lebar / Paya Lebar road? You tell me...51, 43, 62 all can ply these areas. So why must 80 serve as a detour?
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The problem is... 80 needs to ply Geylang Rd and Bugis right???
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Originally posted by sbst275:
The problem is… 80 needs to ply Geylang Rd and Bugis right???
I know.
Okay I suggest 80X, operates a trip per hour, all day, everyday.
It will pick up pax at Sengkang and then will turn to KPE after stopping at The Rivervale. It will come out at Airport Rd and then continue normal svc at MacPherson.
Ok?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I know.
Okay I suggest 80X, operates a trip per hour, all day, everyday.
It will pick up pax at Sengkang and then will turn to KPE after stopping at The Rivervale. It will come out at Airport Rd and then continue normal svc at MacPherson.
Ok?
seriously, would you wait for the hourly 80X or just hop onto any 80 that passes you in the meantime? for goodness sake anyone can suggest anything, but do they make sense? you make things sound like playing masak masak.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The only point I want to make is
Singapore Public Transport is already VERY GOOD, just a few steps need to be taken to make it EXCELLENT. (in SBST area)
Singapore Public Transport is NOT-SO-GOOD, and quite a few steps need to be taken to make it GOOD. (in SMRT area)
To start with LTA needs to take a decision on high capacity buses for SMRT area or transfer some of those areas like CCK/BBT or YIS to SBST. People have complained about the frequency, loading of these buses but to no vail.
SBST I won't say very good, HGDEP/ARBP/BBDEP-controlled sv need to buck up a lot more to catch up with AMDEP/BRBP/BNDEP/CGBP/SLBP's services.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I know.
Okay I suggest 80X, operates a trip per hour, all day, everyday.
It will pick up pax at Sengkang and then will turn to KPE after stopping at The Rivervale. It will come out at Airport Rd and then continue normal svc at MacPherson.
Ok?
All day? 985W did not work out. Why 80X would?
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Originally posted by Simply.90:
seriously, would you wait for the hourly 80X or just hop onto any 80 that passes you in the meantime? for goodness sake anyone can suggest anything, but do they make sense? you make things sound like playing masak masak.
You can always plan your journey.
And I'm not kidding. Residents at the Greater Tokyo area plan their time. They can schedule for an hourly express train to the city without getting late and without stressing out too. This is something Singaporeans can follow. From Sengkang to Bugis the ride takes nearly an hour alr, and to City Hall the ride takes an hour and twenty minutes.
Anyway I dunno if this will work or not, but this is just my suggestion and I think that it works to many other svcs too.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
You can always plan your journey.
And I'm not kidding. Residents at the Greater Tokyo area plan their time. They can schedule for an hourly express train to the city without getting late and without stressing out too. This is something Singaporeans can follow. From Sengkang to Bugis the ride takes nearly an hour alr, and to City Hall the ride takes an hour and twenty minutes.
Anyway I dunno if this will work or not, but this is just my suggestion and I think that it works to many other svcs too.
This concept already exists in Singapore. It's called Fast Forward.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
51, 43, 62 all can ply these areas. So why must 80 serve as a detour?
Explain me HOW?51 goes via HG Ave 3 --> Eunos to Geylang Road
43 goes via YCK Rd --> Serangoon Central to Upper Paya Lebar
62 goes via HG Ave 3 --> Ave 1 --> Lor Ah Soo to UPL
People living along Upper Serangoon Road in Hougang and Kovan have service to UPL / Geylang / Bugis? Have you seen the loading during AM peak from here to UPL / Geylang? Have you seen the loading during PM peak from Aljunied to Kovan?
So many people take this bus. It is not for no reason that it has a fleet of 20 DDs. I don't know why would you want to change route of a popular service like 80? If route needs to be modified, it can be done for services like 113, 119, 325 in Kovan / Hougang area.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
SBST I won't say very good, HGDEP/ARBP/BBDEP-controlled sv need to buck up a lot more to catch up with AMDEP/BRBP/BNDEP/CGBP/SLBP's services.
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80X... Can... 20 mins per bus.. Sengkang > Hougang > Hougang Ave 3 > PIE > Kallang Bahru > Upp Boon Keng Rd > North Bridge Rd > Bugis > South Bridge Rd > Cantonment Rd > HarbourFront...
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what so expelan
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News on transport has sprang up again, this time to study the possibilities of having a TRAM SYSTEM in Singapore.
Quite troubling, considering there isn't much space in SG to build any more on-ground tracking. And the MRT covered the CBD areas pretty well too.
What do you guys think?
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Just wondering.. Isit feasible for svcs like 190, 960 to be dual operated by both SBST and SMRT like how HK does it?
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Originally posted by SBS899A:
Just wondering.. Isit feasible for svcs like 190, 960 to be dual operated by both SBST and SMRT like how HK does it?
A bit unlikely... Since the city area is shared and the northern side is controlled by SMRT.
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Originally posted by SBS899A:
Just wondering.. Isit feasible for svcs like 190, 960 to be dual operated by both SBST and SMRT like how HK does it?
Maybe SMRT an SBST can deploy buses on the services? But of course both com. will deploy less less de coz it's not their official svc...
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
News on transport has sprang up again, this time to study the possibilities of having a TRAM SYSTEM in Singapore.
Quite troubling, considering there isn't much space in SG to build any more on-ground tracking. And the MRT covered the CBD areas pretty well too.
What do you guys think?
Not too possible liao..... See the roads are cramped by buses and cars, go watch CBS2 on utube and see how Germany plan, got tram and bus, if want liddat shld started early, and need derigister some bus first coz got tram. So no point having fleet add unless they make buses running on top of SG ROADS, having an above ground dep.
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Originally posted by All the Best!:
Maybe SMRT an SBST can deploy buses on the services? But of course both com. will deploy less less de coz it's not their official svc...
This is exactly what HK did. However HK dual-operation only applies to cross-harbour routes, where there is a strict and clear boundary between KMB and NWST territory. If you look carefully the South TKO svcs or svcs 701/702 is not dual-controlled becoz of the confusion. The Victoria harbour basically just splits the controls very obviously.
But in SG, there aren't fixed territories. The CBD svcs won't work since the area there is shared. Moreover LTA controls both operators while in HK the operators are private. So LTA may not approve dual control as it may mess up the fare structure and fund division.
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Originally posted by All the Best!:
Not too possible liao..... See the roads are cramped by buses and cars, go watch CBS2 on utube and see how Germany plan, got tram and bus, if want liddat shld started early, and need derigister some bus first coz got tram. So no point having fleet add unless they make buses running on top of SG ROADS, having an above ground dep.
I agree. Tram svcs works best before the real development kicks in. I can see the tram system as just a little waste of space.
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excuse me.. Ever since 1997.. there's no more newly created joint operated cross harbour rt... KMB 108 triggered it