How to improve our Public Transport system?
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LTA has yet again spoke up.
They said, in order to persuade car owners to give up car ownership, they must make their PT convincing and efficient.
However, I understand that the reason people want to own a car is to so that they can drive around to places PT cannot easily reach. And also due to the lack of MRT stations at some estates and the limited choices of slow and long-winded bus routes to the city.
LTA has done efforts such as introducing new svcs to improve connectivity and CityDirect svcs too. But why are most people still refusing to give up driving?
Here's what I think LTA can try:
1. Introduce express svcs on buses. That means, buses that run limited-stop services on current bus services. Eg. Svc 5 can have express svc 5X that skips some stops and head straight to the city, only stopping at some major stops. They can run full day, everyday on a perhaps hourly basis, allowing pax to have a choice to get faster rides.
2. Since LTA has always looked towards HK's minibus system, I suggest POs invest their resources on the red-minibus system in HK instead of those Townlinks short trips which I can foresee little effect. The buses can lead to places that normal fixed routes cannot conveniently reach and that the buses can also link places which currently require several transfers to reach.
3. Taxi system is a major catastrophe in Singapore. Limited number of cabs, picky drivers, and countless surcharges. How is the current drivers gonna get appealed to switch to taxis then? (I count taxis as PT since there will be much less taxis than cars) Maybe LTA can ask POs to reduce the surcharges and also put strict rules on driver's choice and shift changes etc. Increasing the number of taxis also allow people to get a cab quickly and also increases demand and competition between the drivers (this better service).
As I have said, these are only me two cents. So pls don't take it too hard and do feel free to reply. Please also feel free to comment what are your suggestions. Thanks!!
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Originally posted by FireIce:
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
LTA has yet again spoke up.
They said, in order to persuade car owners to give up car ownership, they must make their PT convincing and efficient.
However, I understand that the reason people want to own a car is to so that they can drive around to places PT cannot easily reach. And also due to the lack of MRT stations at some estates and the limited choices of slow and long-winded bus routes to the city.
LTA has done efforts such as introducing new svcs to improve connectivity and CityDirect svcs too. But why are most people still refusing to give up driving?
Here's what I think LTA can try:
1. Introduce express svcs on buses. That means, buses that run limited-stop services on current bus services. Eg. Svc 5 can have express svc 5X that skips some stops and head straight to the city, only stopping at some major stops. They can run full day, everyday on a perhaps hourly basis, allowing pax to have a choice to get faster rides.
2. Since LTA has always looked towards HK's minibus system, I suggest POs invest their resources on the red-minibus system in HK instead of those Townlinks short trips which I can foresee little effect. The buses can lead to places that normal fixed routes cannot conveniently reach and that the buses can also link places which currently require several transfers to reach.
3. Taxi system is a major catastrophe in Singapore. Limited number of cabs, picky drivers, and countless surcharges. How is the current drivers gonna get appealed to switch to taxis then? (I count taxis as PT since there will be much less taxis than cars) Maybe LTA can ask POs to reduce the surcharges and also put strict rules on driver's choice and shift changes etc. Increasing the number of taxis also allow people to get a cab quickly and also increases demand and competition between the drivers (this better service).
As I have said, these are only me two cents. So pls don't take it too hard and do feel free to reply. Please also feel free to comment what are your suggestions. Thanks!!
SBS and SMRT should buy more MANdys and Superlions~ bendy bus make PT better and more attractive for people switch to bus~ -
Originally posted by SMB388S:
SBS and SMRT should buy more MANdys and Superlions~ bendy bus make PT better and more attractive for people switch to bus~I don't see how the people are gonna switch over due to bendies.
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If they want to do, can do in many ways.
1. Increase bus lanes everywhere so that traveling by bus is very fast option
2. Add car usage surcharge even in non-CBD area, so when people want to take car compared to bus/MRT, have to think twice
3. Make most bus fleets DD so that people can get comfortable journey and buses are not over-crowded
4. Reach out to more HDBs and condos with unique routes
5. Modify existing routes to provide more direct connections to places in shorter distance. Longer distance can change.
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Originally posted by SMB388S:
SBS and SMRT should buy more MANdys and Superlions~ bendy bus make PT better and more attractive for people switch to bus~Stick them into your ass like lolipops
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When public transport is so good that all the ministers sell off their cars and take it to work everyday, then we can consider the transport system as world class.
That is the benchmark.
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Originally posted by charlize:
When public transport is so good that all the ministers sell off their cars and take it to work everyday, then we can consider the transport system as world class.
That is the benchmark.
All statements made never apply to them.. It is for the masses... not the rich... The reality of life.
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Once BSEP is completed, we will be able to see GOV Officials Onboard buses... :D
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Originally posted by All the Best!:
Once BSEP is completed, we will be able to see GOV Officials Onboard buses... :D
just for the sake of wayang!
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less redundant oer population, no problem already!
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I'm pretty sure the reason is due to lack of roads that cause the congestion on Singapore roads. As a former resident of HK I can tell you they don't have all these taxes and stuff and the traffic condition is not much different from SG. Time to start using highways and not always expressways.
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SG road already occupies 12%.
How much roads do you want ah?
Housing occupies 15% by comparison.
The thread intentions might be noble.
But unless the constituents do their homework and start making sense, it will only look noble.
Tolong la....limpeh kiu le.
I come in and correct you, put in a few sarcastic words, limpeh will kena slam as evil one you know??
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
If they want to do, can do in many ways.
1. Increase bus lanes everywhere so that traveling by bus is very fast option
2. Add car usage surcharge even in non-CBD area, so when people want to take car compared to bus/MRT, have to think twice
One day after u graduate and have a good career then u buy condo and fancy car then you will start grumbling if the gahmen implement this..pls think twice before suggest
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ello... HK's road density has only 1.89km/km sq SG's road density is 4.78km/ km sq... HK has 61.5 cars per 1000 person.. SG is 100.4 cars per 1000 person... Taxi? HK has 2145 taxi per million person.. SG is 5218 taxi per million person.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I'm pretty sure the reason is due to lack of roads that cause the congestion on Singapore roads. As a former resident of HK I can tell you they don't have all these taxes and stuff and the traffic condition is not much different from SG. Time to start using highways and not always expressways.
simi no tax? Use cross harbour tunnel gotta pay tax... buy car gotta pay parking tax... pump petrol petrol tax at least 100% more than SG... -
Originally posted by sbst275:
ello…
HK’s road density has only 1.89km/km sq
SG’s road density is 4.78km/ km sq…
HK has 61.5 cars per 1000 person.. SG is 100.4 cars per 1000 person…
Taxi? HK has 2145 taxi per million person.. SG is 5218 taxi per million person.
May I know where you got the info from?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
simi no tax? Use cross harbour tunnel gotta pay tax... buy car gotta pay parking tax... pump petrol petrol tax at least 100% more than SG...Cross harbor is equivalent, if not cheaper than ERP... This applies to even the eastern tunnel. And COE is very expensive these days. Have to admit the killing prices of petrol in HK though.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Cross harbor is equivalent, if not cheaper than ERP... This applies to even the eastern tunnel. And COE is very expensive these days. Have to admit the killing prices of petrol in HK though.
Tai Lam Tunnel no toll? TKO Tunnel no toll? btw.. RMB in reality has been restricted by TD... a lot of the roads prohibits RMB from plying... Like from Yuen Long to Kowloon... llst can only ply Castle Peak Rd.. can't ply Tuen Mun Rd. -
I even got details of London's bus sv QoS... Surprisingly it's 2 tiered based on bus freq...
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I didn't want to initially join the conversation, but the post that mentioned lack of roads as the cause of congestion in Singapore is not only untrue, but actually dangerous if the general population has this mindset.
Research has shown that building more roads will actually lead to more traffic if there is no limit on car growth. Roads in Singapore already takes up 12% of our entire island, vs 14% for residential. Exactly how much more roads do you want?
I don't want to compare, even though HK is also a high density city. The reason why we cannot compare is because of how geography of the two cities is widely different, take a look at the map and you will understand.
The highways in hk are also very direct, with very few exits, whilst sg works mainly on a grid system where main roads are criss crossing at any other opportunity with expressways and other main roads. HK has ~2000km of roads while SG has ~3400km as per data from CIA.
The problem here (unfortunately) is the lack of control on car entitlements. The positions of the previous transport ministers was to allow people to own cars as they wish, but force them to pay for usage into the city or for any congestion caused using the ERP system. Obviously this stand has reversed with the current minister as it is not sustainable causing road rage, and frustrated drivers.
Once someone owns a car, and starts to reap the benefits of driving, do you think they will care about 1. Express buses, 2. Minibuses, 3. Taxi, 4. More bus lanes, 5. More DD, 6. More direct connections ??? None of this concerns them anymore!
You have just sold them a 10 years permit to drive their cars around the island, why would they turn towards public transportation and park their cars at home to collect dust? It costs just a bit more to drive, especially since they paid for the car already, but the benefits are so much more. Asking them to give up driving their cars and use public transportation just because it's "better", will not work.
This is why car ownership and growth will be capped in the following years to come, even though people are unhappy.
But Improving public transport is still important, because eventually the goal is to make public transportation attractive enough so the people no longer thinks of wanting a car anymore.
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already the cost of owning a car is so ****ing high, shouldn't this be a good reason to stop using it and scrap it.
the authorities should come up with more incentives for the conversion from private transport to public transport.
nationalise the public transport
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Originally posted by sbst275:
simi no tax? Use cross harbour tunnel gotta pay tax... buy car gotta pay parking tax... pump petrol petrol tax at least 100% more than SG...erm drivers here pay road tax, monthly season parking "tax", ERP "tax", our petrol also got hidden "tax".
then what are those tax compared to here?
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
already the cost of owning a car is so ****ing high, shouldn't this be a good reason to stop using it and scrap it.
the authorities should come up with more incentives for the conversion from private transport to public transport.
nationalise the public transport
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You bought a $10 lollipop and you lick one time, and throw it away?
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On the topic of "lack of road causing congestion", the phenomenon of transport demand actually increasing when you increase transport network and capacity is known in the literature as "induced demand".
It is a well-researched topic and proven empirically using statistical methods.