SMRT giving up bus operation soon?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
lol
sibei angsty thread.
this one lagi more exciting than the Alvin Tan saga.
Yup.
I can see the big picture.
But like my current batch of students, I cant be bothered to spoon-feed you. Not the least because I think I repeated myself a couple of times already.
To SMB66X:
Stop pretending to be "interested" in waging a combat of sorts here with me (and others) la. If you genuinely were, you would have been more coherent in your arguments, stop sticking to the same points, and then adopt dynamic posturing, which I would gamely counter as I see fit!
Of course if you were to argue that you genuinely were interested, then all I can say is that your ability to think critically must be quite severely hampered.
Your choice in argument, and that's the right you seek and get!
To simply.90:
If I read correctly, you were trying to say that I was trying to be nice about it?
If that was the case, I can safely say, no I wasn't.
If I misinterpreted, then its my bad.
But I stick by my point that I pity whoever gets to work with this fella.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Among the list, if you want to call 88 a "major" improvement, you're making me laugh. If you just compare 88 with SMRT, and you called it a "major", I think you really don't know how different and unfair it is.
Yes, SBST done significant improvement, as overall. BUT svc 88 alone, is just a minor improvement if you go compare the difference.
Where got people compare how big the chicken with a cat? =.=" You want to see how big the chicken, you oought to compare with chicken, not dog/cat or whatsover.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Outrageous.
Tell me, how would 190 and 700 be affected. I would rather bus to MRT if I wanna go CBD. And vice versa. And so would many others. My few friends staying in BPJ would rather the bus even when the MRT starts operation.
Why? Because those who choose buses are mostly those staying from the MRT station itself. And unfortunately they are the majority of BPJ. Given how lousy the LRT there is and how troublesome it is to have to transfer and take 10 over stops and transfer again to places like Orchard, I totally can foresee that 700 would still have its loads. As for 190, it takes only as less as 8 stops to BPJ without transfers thru the CTE. No wonder the horrific crowds that I think would more or less still remain when DTL starts.
And yeah, on a final note, please don't cry and shout when you have to be late after squeezing into the long-waited shuttle buses due to inevitable jams in the morning should DTL breakdown (though rare).
Even the youngest line, CCL and 2nd youngest NEL, already experience breakdown. DTL confirm end up like them
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Boon Lay got untidy alighting/ boarding activities? Long orderly queue you say it's mess? In fact.. since you want to dig Boon Lay.. SMRT is a troublemaker... Anyhow park bendy bus at the corner during peak hrs... Esp 172... Alrdy SBST RG alrdy place cones/ barricades to stop SMRT BC from practicing this bad habit... still want to park over there...Yes there is, it's not the long queue you know? There are times where buses have to park beside another just to make the outside queue shorter, how come you as a SBS boy didn't see? Svc181 CDGE, created a queue itself and preventing the bus I'm boarding from moving. Did you even see that before?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Can't see that 334 improved more than 88 then say, and I wonder how you make that decision by looking at 88 alone, as if you're praising yourself wow~
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Outrageous.
Tell me, how would 190 and 700 be affected. I would rather bus to MRT if I wanna go CBD. And vice versa. And so would many others. My few friends staying in BPJ would rather the bus even when the MRT starts operation.
Why? Because those who choose buses are mostly those staying from the MRT station itself. And unfortunately they are the majority of BPJ. Given how lousy the LRT there is and how troublesome it is to have to transfer and take 10 over stops and transfer again to places like Orchard, I totally can foresee that 700 would still have its loads. As for 190, it takes only as less as 8 stops to BPJ without transfers thru the CTE. No wonder the horrific crowds that I think would more or less still remain when DTL starts.
And yeah, on a final note, please don't cry and shout when you have to be late after squeezing into the long-waited shuttle buses due to inevitable jams in the morning should DTL breakdown (though rare).
190 would still have load.. but that's not the case for 700 and 960 in the long run... I think many didn't realise what impact the MRT did to bus rts like 159 back in 1987... your underestimated it... -
Originally posted by SMB66X:
Yes there is, it's not the long queue you know? There are times where buses have to park beside another just to make the outside queue shorter, how come you as a SBS boy didn't see? Svc181 CDGE, created a queue itself and preventing the bus I'm boarding from moving. Did you even see that before?
Excuse me... What more can 1x or 2x more bus forming up on 2nd lane do to shorten the line??? and... think you've no idea on driving... they stipulated a wider entrance lane is because they also hope buses can form up on 2nd lane.. so when the 1st 2 bus has departed.. the bus on the right lane can cut in and conduct alighting ops faster... if all gotta wait for 4th bus to depart... wait till how long.. and I'm going to apply this to WRI... -
WRI... The Ave 7 approach.. all must wait for all the 3 alighting bay to be cleared before the alighting buses can move in... Same what.. since SMB66X can go claim why BNL got 2nd queue..
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
lol
sibei angsty thread.
this one lagi more exciting than the Alvin Tan saga.
Yup.
I can see the big picture.
But like my current batch of students, I cant be bothered to spoon-feed you. Not the least because I think I repeated myself a couple of times already.
To SMB66X:
Stop pretending to be "interested" in waging a combat of sorts here with me (and others) la. If you genuinely were, you would have been more coherent in your arguments, stop sticking to the same points, and then adopt dynamic posturing, which I would gamely counter as I see fit!
Of course if you were to argue that you genuinely were interested, then all I can say is that your ability to think critically must be quite severely hampered.
Your choice in argument, and that's the right you seek and get!
To simply.90:
If I read correctly, you were trying to say that I was trying to be nice about it?
If that was the case, I can safely say, no I wasn't.
If I misinterpreted, then its my bad.
But I stick by my point that I pity whoever gets to work with this fella.
You come and tell me, do you even need so much double decks on the road?
Some anon mention about DTL, and yes I agreed that the train is taking away the ridership and that have been what I've mentioned long ago. I also forsee certain service cutting short sooner or later, or even pull out.
On the other hand, you're facing aging population. Are you so sure that the high influx of DDs will benefit them? Are you going to start pulling out DDs and introduce more SDs then?
Don't forget there's Thomson Line etc., you as a manager, are you seriously going to start pumping more DDs on road until 2021? It's all about consideration, if the length of the bus seriously take up space, and bendy bus is really a major and long-term problem, LTA would have already cut a stop to it immediately like London transport does.
Adding on : It's either I don't understand your analogy or you're not clear enough and I admit I often "DIY" those difficult ones. Plus, I'm not that into buses, only designs.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
excuse me... go read what the HK govt is planning to do over bus ops in HK Island once the MTR Island Line is extended to Kennedy Town and the Island South Line.. alrdy a KMB Cross Harbour Rt is slated to be axed... Rt 113... So you say ppl wun switch to DTL once it opens.. ppl will take bus... eh... I can tell you.. 960 can go eat grass alrdy... DTL goes to Bugis, Suntec, MBFC, MBS...I wish you understand how HK rationalise their routes. I almost died of heart attack when I read the 2010 rationalisation plan and saw that my kind-of-frequently used svc 796B was up on the list. Spanning from Kowloon Tong int to TKL int it duplicates >90% of MTR's route, thus becoming the plan's "priority" svc. But in fact during PM peak the entire bottom deck can get full from Wong Tai Sin to Sheung Tak, thus showing that there IS demand. Unfortunately the authorities was stubborn and withdrew the svc, when it could've been better to use full fleet SDs and make it peak hour svc.
Singapore transport system is said to have "changed", so do you think svc 190, 700 etc would be withdrawn? I don't think so. And so won't LTA.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I wish you understand how HK rationalise their routes. I almost died of heart attack when I read the 2010 rationalisation plan and saw that my kind-of-frequently used svc 796B was up on the list. Spanning from Kowloon Tong int to TKL int it duplicates >90% of MTR's route, thus becoming the plan's "priority" svc. But in fact during PM peak the entire bottom deck can get full from Wong Tai Sin to Sheung Tak, thus showing that there IS demand. Unfortunately the authorities was stubborn and withdrew the svc, when it could've been better to use full fleet SDs and make it peak hour svc.
Singapore transport system is said to have "changed", so do you think svc 190, 700 etc would be withdrawn? I don't think so. And so won't LTA.
I can tell you why... This is from what I know from govt officials... I shan't name who... To begin with, the HK govt is alrdy trying to cut down on buses especially in Kowloon n certain corridor of HK Island... SBS also faced this back in the 1980s.... Back in early 1980s slowly rationalising bus rts to better cope w/ New Town devt and cutting down bus traffic in CBD [duiz, Bus 30 used to ply Shenton Way, which was later amended to ply ECP nearly immediately after the ECP opened in 1981].. and eventually after 1987, the MRT's intro.. Nothing similar? -
Originally posted by sbst275:
Excuse me... What more can 1x or 2x more bus forming up on 2nd lane do to shorten the line??? and... think you've no idea on driving... they stipulated a wider entrance lane is because they also hope buses can form up on 2nd lane.. so when the 1st 2 bus has departed.. the bus on the right lane can cut in and conduct alighting ops faster... if all gotta wait for 4th bus to depart... wait till how long.. and I'm going to apply this to WRI...What I mean was the alighting bay is full, however, instead of waiting outside, the front bus simply enter via the other lane into BNL and simply park besides another bus who's still dropping off it's load.
But that also bring me to some driver busy waiting outside, regardless of how long the queue is. If they have implemented a system to assist the flow, BNL wouldn't be a problem, same for Woodlands. It's hard for buses in Woodlands to have faster alighting, even if there's no Bendy. You only have 2.5 Lane, the space is somewhat limited, how to even make alighting fast? At least for sure, the waiting time isn't long as there's 3 mixed model inside.
You can go see Hougang interchange, lucky the # of service isn't high, otherwise there would be jams. Now, there's even a little problem in the flow already, buses have to queue and wait to park, same as Bedok.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
What I mean was the alighting bay is full, however, instead of waiting outside, the front bus simply enter via the other lane into BNL and simply park besides another bus who's still dropping off it's load.
But that also bring me to some driver busy waiting outside, regardless of how long the queue is. If they have implemented a system to assist the flow, BNL wouldn't be a problem, same for Woodlands. It's hard for buses in Woodlands to have faster alighting, even if there's no Bendy. You only have 2.5 Lane, the space is somewhat limited, how to even make alighting fast? At least for sure, the waiting time isn't long as there's 3 mixed model inside.
You can go see Hougang interchange, lucky the # of service isn't high, otherwise there would be jams. Now, there's even a little problem in the flow already, buses have to queue and wait to park, same as Bedok.
You still dun get what I said abt buses forming on the 2nd lane? It's to quickly move up once 1st and 2nd bus happens to move off... You leave a blank space idling during peak hrs for what? Wait for 4th bus to leave? and eh... you trying to compare Woodlands that has a long down ramp service road w/ Hougang that has a nearly 180 degree turn and Bedok which has a public bus right outside the bus interchange... you obviously are blind of situational awareness... -
Originally posted by sbst275:
I can tell you why... This is from what I know from govt officials... I shan't name who... To begin with, the HK govt is alrdy trying to cut down on buses especially in Kowloon n certain corridor of HK Island... SBS also faced this back in the 1980s.... Back in early 1980s slowly rationalising bus rts to better cope w/ New Town devt and cutting down bus traffic in CBD [duiz, Bus 30 used to ply Shenton Way, which was later amended to ply ECP nearly immediately after the ECP opened in 1981].. and eventually after 1987, the MRT's intro.. Nothing similar?My definition of "changed" is the revolution after LTY went up and declared that bus svcs will be retained as much as possible even with intro of MRT lines unlike when NEL was introduced etc. sorry for the confusion.
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which is what I going to add... SMB66X.. You laugh that Hougang alrdy no space... try the same no of bendy buses trying to queue up... Enough of the faster alighting nonsense.. how many buses has to queue up during peak hrs... so because of bendy bus, number of buses entering int will change?
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I more of believe that after DTL, the most is full SD fleet for 960[but that's a guess]. People living along the LRT track would be taking the bus instead of DTL.
Svc like 951E/850E should be staying after DTL/TSL open, they are faster than the current MRT lines. And if you think svc like 951E have 50-1hr journey, I can tell you that the bus can take about 45mins, provided no jam occuring[currently no jams], to reach destination.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
You still dun get what I said abt buses forming on the 2nd lane? It's to quickly move up once 1st and 2nd bus happens to move off... You leave a blank space idling during peak hrs for what? Wait for 4th bus to leave? and eh... you trying to compare Woodlands that has a long down ramp service road w/ Hougang that has a nearly 180 degree turn and Bedok which has a public bus right outside the bus interchange... you obviously are blind of situational awareness...How about you explain even more detailed?
I'm not comparing them. Because the "strategy" is totally different. Infact, if Woodlands would to be wider, I don't think the past problem will happen. Since you all so like to say that Woodlands is considered "chao"[when it is not considered by me], I take it as an agreed since the interchange space and the number of svc is totally big gap lorh...
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I believe 960 will cut short and ditto for 171.SMRT loves that and I agree to that also.171 can just be Yishun looping around BPJ and 960 probably from Woodlands to BPJ too.190 more or less the same and ditto for 700.Bendies are bane on sg roads especially CBD.Truth hurt yes and why I've driven a Habit on 67 and when reach Little India have to be xtra careful.Fare evaders boarding from 3rd rear door when ppl alight one thing,Kena horn by behind buses one thing and worst if its raining and the bus shelter is too short or kena got bus stop construction,Wah piang eh.Even SMRT feel the heat of maintance the bendies that's one reason why they put on hold for the new A24s.
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And to add on, if you guys think that SMRT would give up is rather a better situation to end the rubbish standard, and by having another operators to take over, then tell me how and where can the new operators get the money to change at least half of the entire fleet?
Further more, I'm just saying on what I think, I don't even think the use of masking tape on buses are part of the maintenance by the depot. These acts are more of done by drivers to "Fix" the problem, and that they even forget to report.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I believe 960 will cut short and ditto for 171.SMRT loves that and I agree to that also.171 can just be Yishun looping around BPJ and 960 probably from Woodlands to BPJ too.190 more or less the same and ditto for 700.Bendies are bane on sg roads especially CBD.Truth hurt yes and why I've driven a Habit on 67 and when reach Little India have to be xtra careful.Fare evaders boarding from 3rd rear door when ppl alight one thing,Kena horn by behind buses one thing and worst if its raining and the bus shelter is too short or kena got bus stop construction,Wah piang eh.Even SMRT feel the heat of maintance the bendies that's one reason why they put on hold for the new A24s.
171 must be preserved..it serves as the bus linking them to their Army camp, same for 169.
Bolded : I don't even think there's any production batch in the purchase list yet, only rumours. As I've said, the win win situation would be to have Bendy and DDs together. There's no replacement for bendy unless they go cut down or replace the road environment, which Idk will they do it.
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SMRT A24s on hold... and there's even a bird telling me they reduced the orders from 30 to a much smaller number... (which is truthfully total nonsense in a logistical sense), so does that tell u anything?
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I am not allowed to comment on individual services, but let's put it this way.
This discussion would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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Its even sadder when my peer reckons that there are plenty of Singaporeans who behave exactly this way as well when it comes to national policies.......
At a time where we need to solve problems and look forward at what lies ahead (which is in fact not good stuff at all), there are those who are constantly talking rot and believing that everything is the govt's fault.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
How about you explain even more detailed?
I'm not comparing them. Because the "strategy" is totally different. Infact, if Woodlands would to be wider, I don't think the past problem will happen. Since you all so like to say that Woodlands is considered "chao"[when it is not considered by me], I take it as an agreed since the interchange space and the number of svc is totally big gap lorh...
I can tell you something.. Woodlands's driveway is actually very wide... compared to other BI... it's a much better facility because of its location... -
2016 is an election year. The government won't and cannot afford to let the issues of SMRT Buses become a full-blown crisis.
Recall the last time SLs went on strike, who had to clean up for SMRT?
If SMRT Buses gives up in 2016, whoever acquires the fleet would probably have a massive spring clean.