SMRT giving up bus operation soon?
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Hmm then 911 could be counted as a massive improvements then? 5AP to 6AP, 3S1running on 911 during peak to 911E, and 1S2 convert to 911/911E. In all, 2 more buses are added(1AP, 1S150-Runs for crossover, didn't see in the past for evening).
Infact, I also don't count them massive. If you want to say massive, it's more like 334 with almost all SDs convert to DDs. That's rather a big increase in the capacity of the fleet. Go compare with it, 88 is rather inbetween massive/minor.
Sorry, but I am going to step in here again on sv 88.
3 SD slots --> converted to DD
+ 3 more DDs added. Totally, fleet of 28 DDs (27 WEGs, 1 VO3x).
Can you just calculate what capacity add that is to one service? In addition, to cater to the higher loading segments, higher capacity is there with 88A and 88B.
Now is this not massive capacity increase??? How does this even remotely compare to the capacity increase on s911???
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
Wait until 2016,let's see what's going to happen to SMRT. Are they quiting or staying in the bus business.The answer is all in 2016. 2 years left
With DTL coming in 2016, SMRT is already fearing what will happen to its bus services. Of course people will choose DTL over SMRT buses considering how unreliable they are.
sv 67, 171, 700, 960 are few that will be majorly affected with DTL and so will its cash cow service 190 (though not as much as those mentioned above).
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Sorry, but I am going to step in here again on sv 88.
3 SD slots --> converted to DD
+ 3 more DDs added. Totally, fleet of 28 DDs (27 WEGs, 1 VO3x).
Can you just calculate what capacity add that is to one service? In addition, to cater to the higher loading segments, higher capacity is there with 88A and 88B.
Now is this not massive capacity increase??? How does this even remotely compare to the capacity increase on s911???
So your initially no. was 21 or 22DD? There's 2 different value and 1 bus makes a different.
You add 3 DD, but still there's SD spamming occasionally. Given that on average there's 1-2 SD(s), it's still equivalent to adding 1-2 DD(s), not really major at all. Don't tell me you just see the day which have lesser/no SD running? Your demand is about the same everyday, deducting 10 as MC/Leave etc. as well...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
With DTL coming in 2016, SMRT is already fearing what will happen to its bus services. Of course people will choose DTL over SMRT buses considering how unreliable they are.
sv 67, 171, 700, 960 are few that will be majorly affected with DTL and so will its cash cow service 190 (though not as much as those mentioned above).
Given the type of operation system in Singapore, I don't even think ur bolded sentence is really true. People won't choose DTL over those buses because of the standard BUT rather the which transport will reach their home fast/or less transfer. At this point, you're just bias again about SMRT operations
Plus, All the MRT lines did breakdown once, for sure DTL will experience it(like duh). So are you going to say "Oh of course people will choose SMRT Buses over DTL considering how unreliable they are."?
Come on la, only a bus fan will do that lame decision seriously
If everyone think like you, Singapore transport system can close down already. Because there's flaws all around the transport network, be it buses or trains, be it SBS Transit or SMRT... -
Originally posted by SMB66X:
So your initially no. was 21 or 22DD? There's 2 different value and 1 bus makes a different.
You add 3 DD, but still there's SD spamming occasionally. Given that on average there's 1-2 SD(s), it's still equivalent to adding 1-2 DD(s), not really major at all. Don't tell me you just see the day which have lesser/no SD running? Your demand is about the same everyday, deducting 10 as MC/Leave etc. as well...
1SD : 82 Passengers[presume they are E5]
1DD : 128 Passengers[presume all wright are 128]
126 Passengers[VO3X]
119 Pax[CDGE]Svc 88 where current 3483 cap. and previously ??
3 SD = 246Pax
3 DD = 384Pax384 - 246 = 138 Passengers
If there's spamming of 1 SD :
2DD + 1SD = 338
Difference with 3 SDs: 92[About 1 SD bus], 37.398%If there's spamming of 2 SD :
1DD + 2SD = 292
Difference with 3 SDs : 46[About 1 SD bus], 18.69918%
Svc334, where 2DDs/7SDs(830) TO 8DDs/1SDs(1106).With about 1-2 SD cameo[same], and minus off to get realistic no., the capacity difference(6DDs and 6SDs) = 768 - 492 = 276 Passengers.
Spam 1 SD:
5DD + 1 SD = 722
Difference with 6SDs : 230, 46.74796% diffferentSpam 2 SD:
4DD + 2 SD = 676
Difference with 6SDs : 184, 36.739837% different*All calculation based on SgWiki, and base on it's fleet size difference. If any errors have been spotted, please feel free to correct.* I take KUB E5 and Wright 3K Series for KUBs n Wrights.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
1SD : 82 Passengers[presume they are E5]
1DD : 128 Passengers[presume all wright are 128]
126 Passengers[VO3X]
119 Pax[CDGE]Svc 88 where current 3483 cap. and previously ??
3 SD = 246Pax
3 DD = 384Pax384 - 246 = 138 Passengers
If there's spamming of 1 SD :
2DD + 1SD = 338
Difference with 3 SDs: 92[About 1 SD bus], 37.398%If there's spamming of 2 SD :
1DD + 2SD = 292
Difference with 3 SDs : 46[About 1 SD bus], 18.69918%
Svc334, where 2DDs/7SDs(830) TO 8DDs/1SDs(1106).With about 1-2 SD cameo[same], and minus off to get realistic no., the capacity difference(6DDs and 6SDs) = 768 - 492 = 276 Passengers.
Spam 1 SD:
5DD + 1 SD = 722
Difference with 6SDs : 230, 46.74796% diffferentSpam 2 SD:
4DD + 2 SD = 676
Difference with 6SDs : 184, 36.739837% different*All calculation based on SgWiki, and base on it's fleet size difference. If any errors have been spotted, please feel free to correct.* I take KUB E5 and Wright 3K Series for KUBs n Wrights.
To start with realistic loading for SD is 70 pax and for DD is 120 pax. it can take a few more pax but that is with too much cramping.
Current capacity: 28 DD *120 = 3360
Previous capacity: 22 DD *120 + 3SD *70 = 2640 + 210 = 2850
Difference = 510 pax.
Is that not a major service improvement? What are you talking man!???
Anyway, I don't think there is any sense in continuing this conversation with you. And what I said about DTL is true. DTL will take away loading from SMRT services in a big way. You are the one who is super biased and I don't see anyone supporting your thoughts here.
May be you have some close person working in SMRT and that's why the soft corner for them!! May be!!
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This is so sad.
Long weekend is to enjoy, have fun, catch up on rest, etc etc.
NOT come here and argue argue argue.
tsk tsk.
And stop saying things like 161, 88, 27 are sub-par la.
If they really are sub-par, then my 74 must be sh*t by comparison (I think can be improved but I certainly think its so much better than that stupid 171 and now, 854, to name a few services that caused be grief).
And 151, 154 must be services that can't be saved.
Fact is this:
1. WRI is a scene of chaos. Period. I said before already. I used to stay in WDL in the 90s, before those horrific bendies came. It was so much better back then. Nuff said.
2. SMRT is inherently disadvantaged by the way the bus market was divided. For reasons I have already mentioned.
3. Vertical integration was supposed to merge operations seamlessly. Instead it led to conflicts of interest (especially with that profit-driven mentality of Saw).
4. The maintenance of SMRT in general is CMI. The same was mentioned with regards to the train at the COI after the 2011 incidents. The way the buses are driven also tend to be more dangerous.
5. Mileage per bus in SMRTB is significantly higher than SBST. That goes some way in explaining the poorer conditions of the bus.
6. LTA is unhappy with bendies. As are many members of public.
7. In the next few years, we might see major shake-ups for the bus services. Don't be surprised to see new players replace SMRT. Not impossible at all. Personally, I would like corporatisation, but the govt seems rather "face"-driven and is unlikely to back-pedal.
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Big picture, people, BIG picture.
What's the use of nit-picking a few services and then talk about moss on the roof of the bus?? Who sits on the roof anyway ah?
The above are FACTS.
Not OPINIONS.
If you guys really really want your opinions to get through, START POSITIONING YOURSELF TO WORK IN TRANSPORT INDUSTRY.
Stop dreaming la, ok??
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Agreed with you bro,Years of working in the transport sector made me realise how fuck up SMRT operation is,No sign of improvement and yet the same old board members who don't give a damm about anything.Thats why I've said 3000 pluses bus vs 900 buses and yet its the latter lose big time.Im not surprised if a new player take over its operation in future.Care to explain in what ways they've improved generally?We already seen how well feeders/townlinks can cope with DDs right?Even the pathetic 191 gets 1 S shift bus..
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LTA is really fooling himself... esp in SMRT operated area. on national day, taking 700 at bt panjang blk 604, after two bus stop, all filled to the door already.. third and 4th bus stop cannot load more ppl... tired and enough complaints to the LTA and MPs, doesnt yield any result. LL
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Given the type of operation system in Singapore, I don't even think ur bolded sentence is really true. People won't choose DTL over those buses because of the standard BUT rather the which transport will reach their home fast/or less transfer. At this point, you're just bias again about SMRT operations
Plus, All the MRT lines did breakdown once, for sure DTL will experience it(like duh). So are you going to say "Oh of course people will choose SMRT Buses over DTL considering how unreliable they are."?
Come on la, only a bus fan will do that lame decision seriously
If everyone think like you, Singapore
transport system can close down already. Because there's flaws all
around the transport network, be it buses or trains, be it SBS
Transit or SMRT...
excuse me... go read what the HK govt is planning to do over bus ops in HK Island once the MTR Island Line is extended to Kennedy Town and the Island South Line.. alrdy a KMB Cross Harbour Rt is slated to be axed... Rt 113... So you say ppl wun switch to DTL once it opens.. ppl will take bus... eh... I can tell you.. 960 can go eat grass alrdy... DTL goes to Bugis, Suntec, MBFC, MBS... -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Agreed with you bro,Years of working in the transport sector made me realise how fuck up SMRT operation is,No sign of improvement and yet the same old board members who don't give a damm about anything.Thats why I've said 3000 pluses bus vs 900 buses and yet its the latter lose big time.Im not surprised if a new player take over its operation in future.Care to explain in what ways they've improved generally?We already seen how well feeders/townlinks can cope with DDs right?Even the pathetic 191 gets 1 S shift bus..
403 also getting freq improvement liao... Peak hr freq: 13 - 19 mins Off peak: 13 - 20 mins... -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
To start with realistic loading for SD is 70 pax and for DD is 120 pax. it can take a few more pax but that is with too much cramping.
Current capacity: 28 DD *120 = 3360
Previous capacity: 22 DD *120 + 3SD *70 = 2640 + 210 = 2850
Difference = 510 pax.
Is that not a major service improvement? What are you talking man!???
Anyway, I don't think there is any sense in continuing this conversation with you. And what I said about DTL is true. DTL will take away loading from SMRT services in a big way. You are the one who is super biased and I don't see anyone supporting your thoughts here.
May be you have some close person working in SMRT and that's why the soft corner for them!! May be!!
You don't compare with the current fleet to find out the major improvement, that's not going to be a fair test with 334
Yes DTL will take away loadings, but not because of some lame reason you're giving. They take away loadings is due to faster ride home or simply less transfer, not because of some stupid things we're saying here. Come on la, SMRT NSL/EWL breakdown a lot of times, but passengers still take it. Nobody cares about the background info you given, they only know that this mode of transport will bring them to work FAST.
Go do percentage difference between 88 and 334, see which one have a higher % then say 88 is "major"
Incase ur Maths failed,
Step 1: Calculate the difference (subtract one value form the other) ignore any negative sign Step 2: Calculate the average (add the values, then divide by 2) Step 3: Divide the difference by the average Step 3: Convert that to a percentage (by multiplying by 100 and adding a "%" sign) -
Originally posted by sbst275:
excuse me... go read what the HK govt is planning to do over bus ops in HK Island once the MTR Island Line is extended to Kennedy Town and the Island South Line.. alrdy a KMB Cross Harbour Rt is slated to be axed... Rt 113... So you say ppl wun switch to DTL once it opens.. ppl will take bus... eh... I can tell you.. 960 can go eat grass alrdy... DTL goes to Bugis, Suntec, MBFC, MBS...I never say ppl wun switch to DTL, even I will switch. But the reason for switching is not because of poor standard given by SMRT or SBS Transit. It's rather the travelling time.
"People won't choose DTL over those buses because of the standard BUT rather the which transport will reach their home fast/or less transfer"
If the bus is faster/better for them, people will still take bus home. If the train is faster/better, they will also take the train. Who cares about the standard? Don't tell me you're going to take DTL from A to B, then transfer another bus from B to ur home just because of the direct bus u're taking is rubbish?
And yes, 960 ridership will drop since DTL links Bugis to BPJ, provided it's faster than 960. And there's still going to be people taking it to Woodlands/Marsiling from Bugis, ain't nobody got the time to transfer transfer transfer, simply waste of time.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
This is so sad.
Long weekend is to enjoy, have fun, catch up on rest, etc etc.
NOT come here and argue argue argue.
tsk tsk.
And stop saying things like 161, 88, 27 are sub-par la.
If they really are sub-par, then my 74 must be sh*t by comparison (I think can be improved but I certainly think its so much better than that stupid 171 and now, 854, to name a few services that caused be grief).
And 151, 154 must be services that can't be saved.
Fact is this:
1. WRI is a scene of chaos. Period. I said before already. I used to stay in WDL in the 90s, before those horrific bendies came. It was so much better back then. Nuff said.
2. SMRT is inherently disadvantaged by the way the bus market was divided. For reasons I have already mentioned.
3. Vertical integration was supposed to merge operations seamlessly. Instead it led to conflicts of interest (especially with that profit-driven mentality of Saw).
4. The maintenance of SMRT in general is CMI. The same was mentioned with regards to the train at the COI after the 2011 incidents. The way the buses are driven also tend to be more dangerous.
5. Mileage per bus in SMRTB is significantly higher than SBST. That goes some way in explaining the poorer conditions of the bus.
6. LTA is unhappy with bendies. As are many members of public.
7. In the next few years, we might see major shake-ups for the bus services. Don't be surprised to see new players replace SMRT. Not impossible at all. Personally, I would like corporatisation, but the govt seems rather "face"-driven and is unlikely to back-pedal.
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Big picture, people, BIG picture.
What's the use of nit-picking a few services and then talk about moss on the roof of the bus?? Who sits on the roof anyway ah?
The above are FACTS.
Not OPINIONS.
If you guys really really want your opinions to get through, START POSITIONING YOURSELF TO WORK IN TRANSPORT INDUSTRY.
Stop dreaming la, ok??
If most buses are double deckers, are you going to be so sure that the future won't have many problems? Soon aging population, are you so sure that the elderly now and later is going to be the same? Don't forget nowadays, elderly are stronger because they learn the hardway in the past, whereas the future elderly, is currently experiencing laziness around. I'm not against DD, but is the govt. doing what's even better? Since you can see the Big picture, mind explaining what's going to be like for this issue then?
If Woodlands is a scene of Chaos, what's Boon Lay? Or Jurong East/Bedok?? Like that cities in other country is what? "End of World Chaos"?
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Ok before we went haywire let me explain
As much I hate to see 1 operator only conquer bus operation I also don't favour the way SMRT handle their operation lately.SMRT should learn or follow SBST style of operations...The advantage point that SBST had over SMRT
1)Bus maintenance and care,Ok not 100% SBST is good but at least they met the criteria
2)Infratstructure and logistic,SMRT slack big times,With the exception of Wldep/Wlbp,Amdep and Kjdep is way to small to store more newer buses let alone bendy buses.Understand Wenya but when is that?Imho SMRT no need many depots just 3 or 4 enough but with a capacity of at least 400 buses especially for Amdep.
3)Over mileage for buses,Most of the buses wah piang mileage so high even for less than a month bus.
4)Staff discipline SBST scores more than SMRT.Only a few SMRT BCs take care or report any faulty of their buses..Again SMRT group supervisor must be strict bout these.
5)Just stop buying bendy buses,Our infrastructure and roads is not suitable for these monsters and what's the point of buying a few units when ppl are increasing?For the sake of being different?Old folks?Let them sit lower deck then but strangely its them who always love to go upper decks,Dont mention above 70 years old la.If this is Malaysia I dun give a hoot about them buying bendies.SMRT BCs drive faster due to their erratic run times not because they love to speed.Most of their fleets also not restricted that's why you see them whacking till 70..Again very dangerous for new BCs.They mostly only have class 3 so braking between light and heavy vehicles is totally differ.
6)Stop those RWS routes and utilise the remaining fleets for better basic bus operation.NR routes should revamp..Passengers loading is decreasing since the extension and fare raise.Surprisingly it's Nite Owl who had a good loadings even though the operation hours and routing is different.
7)Listen to public feedbacks and treat them seriously
8)If 70% of above are met I'm sure SMRT a yard behind SBST in operation standards no doubt..
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
I never say ppl wun switch to DTL, even I will switch. But the reason for switching is not because of poor standard given by SMRT or SBS Transit. It's rather the travelling time.
"People won't choose DTL over those buses because of the standard BUT rather the which transport will reach their home fast/or less transfer"
If the bus is faster/better for them, people will still take bus home. If the train is faster/better, they will also take the train. Who cares about the standard? Don't tell me you're going to take DTL from A to B, then transfer another bus from B to ur home just because of the direct bus u're taking is rubbish?
And yes, 960 ridership will drop since DTL links Bugis to BPJ, provided it's faster than 960. And there's still going to be people taking it to Woodlands/Marsiling from Bugis, ain't nobody got the time to transfer transfer transfer, simply waste of time.
you got to realise... like it or not.. DTL will still be faster than 700 or 960... 700 and 960 has to face the Whitley Rd junction... That one is will forever be congested. The next thing for S960 is at Little India and Rochor [mind you, North South Expressway construction is going to start kicking in]... for S700 is at Orchard especially nearing Christmas. -
Originally posted by SMB66X:
If most buses are double deckers, are you going to be so sure that the future won't have many problems? Soon aging population, are you so sure that the elderly now and later is going to be the same? Don't forget nowadays, elderly are stronger because they learn the hardway in the past, whereas the future elderly, is currently experiencing laziness around. I'm not against DD, but is the govt. doing what's even better? Since you can see the Big picture, mind explaining what's going to be like for this issue then?
If Woodlands is a scene of Chaos, what's Boon Lay? Or Jurong East/Bedok?? Like that cities in other country is what? "End of World Chaos"?
Boon Lay got untidy alighting/ boarding activities? Long orderly queue you say it's mess? In fact.. since you want to dig Boon Lay.. SMRT is a troublemaker... Anyhow park bendy bus at the corner during peak hrs... Esp 172... Alrdy SBST RG alrdy place cones/ barricades to stop SMRT BC from practicing this bad habit... still want to park over there... -
I've ever seen all thanks to S180 [when it looped at Boon Lay] parking at the alighting bay corner.. how much slower alighting ops went... No wonder how come the queue suddenly become so long for buses queuing to enter BNL... 4 alighting bay left with only 3... it's like PIE.. 4 lanes now left w/ 3 due to RTA... oops... Because Woodlands Int no proper... so it's ok to do this nonsense at Boon Lay.. cos anyway it's SBST's BI...
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
You don't compare with the current fleet to find out the major improvement, that's not going to be a fair test with 334
Yes DTL will take away loadings, but not because of some lame reason you're giving. They take away loadings is due to faster ride home or simply less transfer, not because of some stupid things we're saying here. Come on la, SMRT NSL/EWL breakdown a lot of times, but passengers still take it. Nobody cares about the background info you given, they only know that this mode of transport will bring them to work FAST.
Go do percentage difference between 88 and 334, see which one have a higher % then say 88 is "major"
Incase ur Maths failed,
Step 1: Calculate the difference (subtract one value form the other) ignore any negative sign Step 2: Calculate the average (add the values, then divide by 2) Step 3: Divide the difference by the average Step 3: Convert that to a percentage (by multiplying by 100 and adding a "%" sign)
You make me laugh. First of all, I am not comparing 88 and 334. Both are SBST services that have received significant bus improvements. Moreover, 88 is a long trunk route, 334 is a feeder - even comparing the upgrades they have got is not justified.
My argument was when you are persistent to call 88 a minor improvement in service, that is not the case!! SBST has done significant improvements to most of its high loading services in the last 1 year. Don't crib over occassional SDs cameoing on this service.
And when it comes to 334, look in the redeployments thread, I have stated WOW. It is simply amazing how SBST changed the full fleet of 334 to clear queues at Jurong Int amazingly.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
If most buses are double deckers, are you going to be so sure that the future won't have many problems? Soon aging population, are you so sure that the elderly now and later is going to be the same? Don't forget nowadays, elderly are stronger because they learn the hardway in the past, whereas the future elderly, is currently experiencing laziness around. I'm not against DD, but is the govt. doing what's even better? Since you can see the Big picture, mind explaining what's going to be like for this issue then?
If Woodlands is a scene of Chaos, what's Boon Lay? Or Jurong East/Bedok?? Like that cities in other country is what? "End of World Chaos"?
I think you should travel more. Can you really compare WDL and CCK to Boon Lay, Bedok, Jurong East.
To start with Jurong East and Bedok, there is absolutely no problem. The alighting board is long and the boarding bay is huge. Even the parking space is well marked for all services. I don't see any problem with either of these temporary interchanges.
Coming to Boon Lay, just imagine if instead of DDs, this Int was using bendies. You can't imagine what the situation would be. For the # of services plying here, Boon Lay is also well managed.
WDL and CCK - always haphazard parking problems and problems of queuing on the boarding berths. Buses at WDL especially always leave behind schedule on the first stop itself.
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Can't wait to see other operators taking over fked up SMRT. Simply just can't wait.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
With DTL coming in 2016, SMRT is already fearing what will happen to its bus services. Of course people will choose DTL over SMRT buses considering how unreliable they are.
sv 67, 171, 700, 960 are few that will be majorly affected with DTL and so will its cash cow service 190 (though not as much as those mentioned above).
Outrageous.
Tell me, how would 190 and 700 be affected. I would rather bus to MRT if I wanna go CBD. And vice versa. And so would many others. My few friends staying in BPJ would rather the bus even when the MRT starts operation.
Why? Because those who choose buses are mostly those staying from the MRT station itself. And unfortunately they are the majority of BPJ. Given how lousy the LRT there is and how troublesome it is to have to transfer and take 10 over stops and transfer again to places like Orchard, I totally can foresee that 700 would still have its loads. As for 190, it takes only as less as 8 stops to BPJ without transfers thru the CTE. No wonder the horrific crowds that I think would more or less still remain when DTL starts.
And yeah, on a final note, please don't cry and shout when you have to be late after squeezing into the long-waited shuttle buses due to inevitable jams in the morning should DTL breakdown (though rare).
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Originally posted by sbst275:
you got to realise... like it or not.. DTL will still be faster than 700 or 960... 700 and 960 has to face the Whitley Rd junction... That one is will forever be congested. The next thing for S960 is at Little India and Rochor [mind you, North South Expressway construction is going to start kicking in]... for S700 is at Orchard especially nearing Christmas.Look, MY POINT ISN'T ABOUT DTL NOT BEING A CHOICE OF COMMUTERS TO SWITCH OVER FROM BUSES. What I'm saying is that the commuters won't decide their transport base on the company standard, that's all. And YES DTL will be faster than 960, BUT the commuters won't decide by the standard of the company[as what some people thinks]. YES DTL is faster, but that's not my point.
Did you read carefully before replying? =__="
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
You make me laugh. First of all, I am not comparing 88 and 334. Both are SBST services that have received significant bus improvements. Moreover, 88 is a long trunk route, 334 is a feeder - even comparing the upgrades they have got is not justified.
My argument was when you are persistent to call 88 a minor improvement in service, that is not the case!! SBST has done significant improvements to most of its high loading services in the last 1 year. Don't crib over occassional SDs cameoing on this service.
And when it comes to 334, look in the redeployments thread, I have stated WOW. It is simply amazing how SBST changed the full fleet of 334 to clear queues at Jurong Int amazingly.
Among the list, if you want to call 88 a "major" improvement, you're making me laugh. If you just compare 88 with SMRT, and you called it a "major", I think you really don't know how different and unfair it is.
Yes, SBST done significant improvement, as overall. BUT svc 88 alone, is just a minor improvement if you go compare the difference.
Where got people compare how big the chicken with a cat? =.=" You want to see how big the chicken, you oought to compare with chicken, not dog/cat or whatsover.
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lol
sibei angsty thread.
this one lagi more exciting than the Alvin Tan saga.
Yup.
I can see the big picture.
But like my current batch of students, I cant be bothered to spoon-feed you. Not the least because I think I repeated myself a couple of times already.
To SMB66X:
Stop pretending to be "interested" in waging a combat of sorts here with me (and others) la. If you genuinely were, you would have been more coherent in your arguments, stop sticking to the same points, and then adopt dynamic posturing, which I would gamely counter as I see fit!
Of course if you were to argue that you genuinely were interested, then all I can say is that your ability to think critically must be quite severely hampered.
Your choice in argument, and that's the right you seek and get!
To simply.90:
If I read correctly, you were trying to say that I was trying to be nice about it?
If that was the case, I can safely say, no I wasn't.
If I misinterpreted, then its my bad.
But I stick by my point that I pity whoever gets to work with this fella.