Anyway, we shall see how SMRT will do~~ Money making should trigger their thoughts on buying some DDs soon. It's more likely to be 3 types operation, but under seperate depot control. It's impossible to put DDs on some of the routes that's high demand unless they can sponsor the fee for clearing trees..
Originally posted by sbst275:
huh huh huh... then like this 911 dun meet QoS alrdy you know... CIQ area cock up isn't that bad... cos cars can even use Woodlands Centre to get into Wooldands CIQ... only 170, 950 can use this access... in the first place.. 911 this kind of rt and housing profile... need bendy bus even? if it's 3 - 5 mins as per stipulated?
Tbh as a frequent user of 911. The frequency is really bad. I ever have to wait for 911 at CIQ for 13 minutes and i gave up waiting and took bus to WRI and take 858. I ever waited for tht long but came 911E wich doesnt go to my house.
P.S CIQ wasnt congested at all when i faced this experience.
Originally posted by sbst275:I’ve ever been to Woodlands Centre before on 1 evening peak…
I do see 856 arriving as per stipulated.. the problem is simply isolated to 911..
very very surprising ppl use CIQ to support the argument…
Seriously, the traffic condition at Woodlands Centre can move slow. 911 turns out from St13 to further more with only down to 5-6 buses running after 7, and high demand, obviously the frequency would be badly affected.
There's more vehicles during peak hours running, and there's no traffic, how to turn out fast? No traffic to give direction unlike 856/913/912, you tell me how doesn't it's delay?
Originally posted by TIB 585L:Tbh as a frequent user of 911. The frequency is really bad. I ever have to wait for 911 at CIQ for 13 minutes and i gave up waiting and took bus to WRI and take 858. I ever waited for tht long but came 911E wich doesnt go to my house.
P.S CIQ wasnt congested at all when i faced this experience.
At which day and what time then?
Presume you're waiting after 7, that's already down with 5 buses-3/4 on St83, 1/2 on CIQ. I experienced longer waiting time to turn out when CIQ was congested. Further more, that's after 730pm on Friday.
They should fixed traffic light at St 13 and Woodlands Centre Road. I ever took 1047S and it bunched with 1070Z in front. Then 1070Z turned then i was waiting for nearly 10 mins for 911 to turn into Centre Rd due to heavy traffic. The traffic light at Marsiling Pri isnt always operational.
Originally posted by SMB66X:Seriously, the traffic condition at Woodlands Centre can move slow. 911 turns out from St13 to further more with only down to 5-6 buses running after 7, and high demand, obviously the frequency would be badly affected.
There's more vehicles during peak hours running, and there's no traffic, how to turn out fast? No traffic to give direction unlike 856/913/912, you tell me how doesn't it's delay?
Originally posted by SMB66X:At which day and what time then?
Presume you're waiting after 7, that's already down with 5 buses-3/4 on St83, 1/2 on CIQ. I experienced longer waiting time to turn out when CIQ was congested. Further more, that's after 730pm on Friday.
One Wednesday Night. I remember it was 9.40pm i was waiting at CIQ. 283K came with 911E, 5 mins later 284H arrived with 911. The lorries wasnt that congested to the point it hold up buses at the back as all the other buses arrived smoothly except for 911.
911 > 7buses, 6AP/1S(as of the latest, previously 5AP/1S).
During the 5AP/1S time, the waiting time is even longer with only 4 buses running, 1 on 911E. That time, only close to 0-1 911 bus is doing the CIQ side. When u can closely wait up till 20mins for 1 911 bus.
You can try waiting for 1 911 bus at CIQ and at Woodlands Interchange. I've tried it and the headways at Int is better without the 911E. Since you guys still mention that CIQ shouldn't be an issue, explain how can an off peak frequency with 6 buses be so much different than a starting peak frequency with the same 6 buses?
Originally posted by sbst275:
you still want to suggest 911 use bendy bus? This kind of road junction... sometimes must 'dare' a bit.. the Marsiling Stn bound carriageway no vehicle, move out alrdy... make sure Ctr bound no right turning vehicle btw... else forget abt moving out...
What else SMRT can give to 911 now? Don't forget the yellow box isn't effective for that period of time where vehicles stop there, limiting the space. Most of the drivers rather play safe than being daring, and thereafter tried to rush when they turn out.
Plus, that's the best vehicle seen so far to run on such narrow road/turning.
Originally posted by sbst275:peak and off peak isn’t the BI and boarding/ alighting activities totally diff situation?
Do ppl know how irritating the MAN can be during peak hrs just to get pax to alight at typical bus stop?
Correction : *Off peak during school release hours*
The load is about the same for both off peak and peak, that's why I mentioned the "starting" word there.
And at start, I've mention about the cause(CIQ) of the irregular headways u've mentioned. Go compare the waiting time for afternoon school release hours and evening ones.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:One Wednesday Night. I remember it was 9.40pm i was waiting at CIQ. 283K came with 911E, 5 mins later 284H arrived with 911. The lorries wasnt that congested to the point it hold up buses at the back as all the other buses arrived smoothly except for 911.
AFAIK, the SDs were often scheduled closely. Also, if it's the 3rd buses arriving at bus stop, it will get hold up easily when departing.
Originally posted by sbst275:
huh huh huh... then like this 911 dun meet QoS alrdy you know... CIQ area cock up isn't that bad... cos cars can even use Woodlands Centre to get into Wooldands CIQ... only 170, 950 can use this access... in the first place.. 911 this kind of rt and housing profile... need bendy bus even? if it's 3 - 5 mins as per stipulated?
911 still meets some of the standard though, likewise for other services. If it's 3-5mins per bus, and given sufficient no. of buses to run for specific timing, there's not a need for bendy buses.
Originally posted by SBS7557R:Don't forget how much better is 138's headway than 927 on weekdays. If they can deploy 6 buses on 927 on a public holiday like today, they can do it on weekdays as well.
Infact, I feel that there's not a need to deploy many buses on 927. The trip to Zoo from CCK can be rather empty sometimes. But on the other hand, there's somewhat a need for more buses from Zoo to CCK.
At least for 138, there's demand to and from Zoo, perhaps the location(AMK) that's near CGA or direct bus from CGA(24). Likewise, 138 should be more popular to people.
Anyway, is Singapore the only country with both the bus operators handling big bus operations + railway? Could that be the reason for poor maintenance/low cost of maintaining etc.??
Originally posted by SMB66X:What else SMRT can give to 911 now? Don't forget the yellow box isn't effective for that period of time where vehicles stop there, limiting the space. Most of the drivers rather play safe than being daring, and thereafter tried to rush when they turn out.
Plus, that's the best vehicle seen so far to run on such narrow road/turning.
Originally posted by SMB66X:Correction : *Off peak during school release hours*
The load is about the same for both off peak and peak, that's why I mentioned the "starting" word there.
And at start, I've mention about the cause(CIQ) of the irregular headways u've mentioned. Go compare the waiting time for afternoon school release hours and evening ones.
Originally posted by SMB66X:Anyway, is Singapore the only country with both the bus operators handling big bus operations + railway? Could that be the reason for poor maintenance/low cost of maintaining etc.??
I guess London has a similar system.
Hmm then if that's the case, the CIQ "jam" I've mentioned shouldn't be the main reason then. But personally, I do experience that before which is why I've mentioned it. But I am very sure it's hard to get a proper headways for buses coming from CIQ. But nevertheless, the condition now is getting better.
I thought some army boys Bo bian have to take 927??No?
Someone ever bring up to 3 stars the feasible of having DDs in their current fleets but again someone also opposed that there can't be 2 type of having high capacity buses for operation.Require more skills,More manpowers and bigger infrastructure.Ive heard tons of rumors Wldep will be closed down and will be built somewhere with high clearance depot/Wlbp will be equip with bus wash and refueling activities.The diagram for Wenya is also 4.5m in height.The reluctant to buy 30 A24s also got to do with the talking.But again I will treat it as rumors.Amdep already in dired state.Imagine one fire broke up and with sardine packed buses near to each other how?Until now 3 stars haven't approved the relocation of Amdep nor intention to upgrade bigger parking space.All the while he says bus div keep on losing more money come out from his mouth.About 911 case it really need 4-5 bendies to cope with the off peak timings and CIQ condition.If they're serious having bendies then their depots infrastructure should be bigger,Amdep really need bigger depot(At least 350 lots).Wldep/Wlbp are fine for now.Their bus deployment and svc runtime also screw up.Sometimes their s shift buses are more than starters and yet they're forgetting that our population has increased.No matter peak or off there still potential of more paxs.This is where SBST scores more,They recce during off peak loadings and do necessary revision.SMRT really weak on this,They insists on doing the old way,They seldom listen to feedbacks.All they care is Premium svc,Chartered and those redundant RWS route.One split bus can do so many svc in a day,AM do 851,Then do chartered and ferry svc,PM do 857 then at night kena gasak do WT or NR.Maintenance side focus more on SPF and Singtel fleets...
Originally posted by carbikebus:Someone ever bring up to 3 stars the feasible of having DDs in their current fleets but again someone also opposed that there can't be 2 type of having high capacity buses for operation.Require more skills,More manpowers and bigger infrastructure.Ive heard tons of rumors Wldep will be closed down and will be built somewhere with high clearance depot/Wlbp will be equip with bus wash and refueling activities.The diagram for Wenya is also 4.5m in height.The reluctant to buy 30 A24s also got to do with the talking.But again I will treat it as rumors.Amdep already in dired state.Imagine one fire broke up and with sardine packed buses near to each other how?Until now 3 stars haven't approved the relocation of Amdep nor intention to upgrade bigger parking space.All the while he says bus div keep on losing more money come out from his mouth.About 911 case it really need 4-5 bendies to cope with the off peak timings and CIQ condition.If they're serious having bendies then their depots infrastructure should be bigger,Amdep really need bigger depot(At least 350 lots).Wldep/Wlbp are fine for now.Their bus deployment and svc runtime also screw up.Sometimes their s shift buses are more than starters and yet they're forgetting that our population has increased.No matter peak or off there still potential of more paxs.This is where SBST scores more,They recce during off peak loadings and do necessary revision.SMRT really weak on this,They insists on doing the old way,They seldom listen to feedbacks.All they care is Premium svc,Chartered and those redundant RWS route.One split bus can do so many svc in a day,AM do 851,Then do chartered and ferry svc,PM do 857 then at night kena gasak do WT or NR.Maintenance side focus more on SPF and Singtel fleets...
That reminds me of how Transperth buses operate. No fixed route, eg bus TP1809 (Veolia Transdev-Fremantle Contract) start shift @ Palmyra Depot, off service to Cockburn Central, Route 530 to Fremantle, then Route 502 to Bull Creek, then Route 505 to Murdoch, then Route 514 to Cockburn Central, then off service back to Palmyra Depot
Originally posted by sgbuses:Painting buses with LTA livery has a huge political cost. It is tantamount to admitting in public the government has nationalised public transport.
DTL trains appear less obvious to the public because the entire system is underground.
But which foreign player is willing to enter an unprofitable business and turn things around? Veolia is trying to reduce their share on Veolia Transdev. First Group is exiting bus operations in London altogether.
SBS Transit as the sole public bus operator might be the remaining option. When that happens, be prepared to kiss bendy buses goodbye.
Precisely why I want to see all buses bearing Transitlink logos in future. Public transport should be nationalised and nobody deserves full ownership of any of the bus fleets except the relevant authority itself.
Anyway, it seems like an Australian group with major interests in Perth may have taken over First plc's ops in London.
If SMRT wants to exit the bus business, QLD-based Hornibrook sounds like a logical successor. After all, they just took over the contract for Kalamunda in the Perth Hills late last year.