SMRT giving up bus operation soon?
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I think SBS Transit well maintain their buses than SMRT.At least,SBS Transit buses do not have algae growing on the bus unlike SMRT
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
I think SBS Transit well maintain their buses than SMRT.At least,SBS Transit buses do not have algae growing on the bus unlike SMRT
You sure?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
They have a lifespan of 10 years.
Doesnt make sense to buy MIC products unless they improve.
The worst was when a electric taxi kena langa in Suzhou. The car caught fire and everyone inside died.
The battery wasn't the culprit.
The car body was.
Oh the irony.
They spent so much money ensuring the battery is fail-proof, but went to cut cost by using flammable material for the car body.
You dare to buy?
LTA would have been watching that episode clearly, I am sure.
At the city where Yutongs were manufactured, one-third of its public bus fleet are hybrid. Their fare is still at 1 RMB flat.
This photo below is a natural gas (dual LPG and CNG) and hybrid technology bus combined.
As for quality, there are complaints from major manufacturers everywhere. Even in Australia. This is a global trend. Materials used to build bodyworks are getting more lightweight and flimsy over time.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
You sure?
Then,tell me which SBS Transit bus got algae growing on it?
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
Then,tell me which SBS Transit bus got algae growing on it?
Some Citaro's aircon, the old Double decks windscreen(corner) are some I've seen.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
At the city where Yutongs were manufactured, one-third of its public bus fleet are hybrid. Their fare is still at 1 RMB flat.
This photo below is a natural gas (dual LPG and CNG) and hybrid technology bus combined.
As for quality, there are complaints from major manufacturers everywhere. Even in Australia. This is a global trend. Materials used to build bodyworks are getting more lightweight and flimsy over time.
Rightly said.
But I think the golden age for China's hybrid and electric buses might be over soon.
Latest reports indicate China is getting tired of heavily subsidising the bus fleet that seems to be going no where unless govt keeps pouring money in.
China isn't quite as rich as so many punters seem to think.
As for OEM manufacturing techniques, sad to say, I have to agree with you.
Most bodies these days are made of aluminium. And they can say all they like about aluminium being light, strong, fire resistant, etc etc.
Bull-shit.
This was the reason why USN never again built any ship using aluminium. They would rather sacrifice weight and rust advanatages and build using steel these days.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Some Citaro's aircon, the old Double decks windscreen(corner) are some I've seen.
Citaro aircon? Every SBS Transit citaro that I've taken,I have never saw algae growing on the aircon,but if SMRT,I got saw algae growing outside of the citaro
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
Citaro aircon? Every SBS Transit citaro that I've taken,I have never saw algae growing on the aircon,but if SMRT,I got saw algae growing outside of the citaro
Minor few for SBS Transit, mainly those earlier ones. SMRT didn't see them, but I only saw Habits/OCs having them. Should be removed by now, and I guess it's getting lesser(for both operators).
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OEM would continue to have complains over quality if things remain status quo... anyway.. the 3 star seems to indicate that it bodes well for SMRTB.. without realising Cost + Margin dun come free.. it only benefits cost efficient operators...
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
Citaro aircon? Every SBS Transit citaro that I've taken,I have never saw algae growing on the aircon,but if SMRT,I got saw algae growing outside of the citaro
you sure u never see? its because SBST paint coat is darker its harder to see. ive seen it on a few KUBs and citaros already
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I ever saw most likely KJDEP's Citaro full of algae on the top corner... in any case.. the algae problems are getting lesser and lesser seen...
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Originally posted by SMB1333T:
you sure u never see? its because SBST paint coat is darker its harder to see. ive seen it on a few KUBs and citaros already
darker makes the algae even more obvious... colour contrast... esp since the top frame of the Citaro is black... -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I don't know what you are talking about. sv 27 has a 04-05 min peak frequency, sv 161 capacity has been beefed up and has been made full fleet DD, sv 74 has 07-08 min peak frequency.
74 still need more DDs, too many single-decks roaming around (973T 995E 1922J 2611A 2677K 2686J 2718B 2721R 2728Y 2731L 2762Y 2767J).
74e could use some DDs as well, its peak hour loads are not bad actually.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
74 still need more DDs, too many single-decks roaming around (973T 995E 1922J 2611A 2677K 2686J 2718B 2721R 2728Y 2731L 2762Y 2767J).
74e could use some DDs as well, its peak hour loads are not bad actually.
Add on :
27's frequency during peak hours(off peak too) is rather like 2-3 buses = 1 bus(on normal svc). They come in 1 shot, go in 1 shot. Sometimes creating a gap inbetween too. But that only happen in either one of the directions only.
Anyway, SMRT recently keep having pull over buses from another depot to cover up..mainly WLDEP buses covering up for AM/KJ svc(or mass redeployment?)
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Add on :
27's frequency during peak hours(off peak too) is rather like 2-3 buses = 1 bus(on normal svc). They come in 1 shot, go in 1 shot. Sometimes creating a gap inbetween too. But that only happen in either one of the directions only.
Anyway, SMRT recently keep having pull over buses from another depot to cover up..mainly WLDEP buses covering up for AM/KJ svc(or mass redeployment?)
I don't see SBST having so many emergency pullovers between depots. WLDEP has taken many of AMDEP and KJDEP's buses over the year from routes like 176/700/811/854/925 just because AMDEP/KJDEP and overnight parking in interchanges/GYBP is insufficient to store all its buses, and now they are unable to be self-sufficient and have to e-pull buses from WL, which increases off sv mileage of buses.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
I don't see SBST having so many emergency pullovers between depots. WLDEP has taken many of AMDEP and KJDEP's buses over the year from routes like 176/700/811/854/925 just because AMDEP/KJDEP and overnight parking in interchanges/GYBP is insufficient to store all its buses, and now they are unable to be self-sufficient and have to e-pull buses from WL, which increases off sv mileage of buses.
Suspect handover shifts? Anyway, it's cock up in the deployment after WLBP opens...
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Suspect handover shifts? Anyway, it's cock up in the deployment after WLBP opens...
It cock up esp 854 part. Why out of so many buses take 854. They can take 851/855 wich is more feasible. 854 doesnt even make sense till today and no adjustment is made. 811 also. Since when does neighbourhood townlinks is controlled by 2 depots? The excuse of pulling 811 to WL is to put 171 n 882 into YIS for ONP. Now SBW int is like ghost interchange. Less than 10 buses parked there for ONP.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Add on :
27's frequency during peak hours(off peak too) is rather like 2-3 buses = 1 bus(on normal svc). They come in 1 shot, go in 1 shot. Sometimes creating a gap inbetween too. But that only happen in either one of the directions only.
Anyway, SMRT recently keep having pull over buses from another depot to cover up..mainly WLDEP buses covering up for AM/KJ svc(or mass redeployment?)
Just to point out again - SBST has had massive improvements in its fleet and upgrading bus services in the last one year.
Sv 72 (28 DDs from 21DDs, 3 SDs)
Sv 88 (28 DDs from 22DDs, 3 SDs)
Sv 185 (9DDs/5SDs from 6DDs/7SDs)
Sv 334 (8DDs/1SD from 2DDs/7SDs)
Sv 78 (12DDs/3SDs from 7DDs/6SDs)
Sv 79 (9DDs/3SDs from 2DDs/7SDs)
Sv 45 (6DDs/10SDs from 2DDs/11SDs)
These are just a few examples for you to see how massively the fleet has been upgraded and buses have been added. I can continue my list with sv 2, 12, 43, 70, 76, 86, 87, 89, 90, 109, 161, 163, 243.
Can you give me similar examples from SMRT?? The bus operations between SBST and SMRT just cannot be compared. SBST just wins hands down.
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
It cock up esp 854 part. Why out of so many buses take 854. They can take 851/855 wich is more feasible. 854 doesnt even make sense till today and no adjustment is made. 811 also. Since when does neighbourhood townlinks is controlled by 2 depots? The excuse of pulling 811 to WL is to put 171 n 882 into YIS for ONP. Now SBW int is like ghost interchange. Less than 10 buses parked there for ONP.
To be frank 851 can go 20 Wldep 7 Amdep,855 can go 11 Wldep 4 Amdep while 853 & 854 remain full Amdep or at least 18 Wldep 7 Amdep.The rest if the feeders/Intratowns can go Wldep too.Amdep need only concentrate svc like 61,67,75,106,167,169,171,190,858,960,961,965,966,969,970,975,980,985 all minor control till they got plans for bigger depot but till now no vision at all.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Just to point out again - SBST has had massive improvements in its fleet and upgrading bus services in the last one year.
Sv 72 (28 DDs from 21DDs, 3 SDs)
Sv 88 (28 DDs from 22DDs, 3 SDs)
Sv 185 (9DDs/5SDs from 6DDs/7SDs)
Sv 334 (8DDs/1SD from 2DDs/7SDs)
Sv 78 (12DDs/3SDs from 7DDs/6SDs)
Sv 79 (9DDs/3SDs from 2DDs/7SDs)
Sv 45 (6DDs/10SDs from 2DDs/11SDs)
These are just a few examples for you to see how massively the fleet has been upgraded and buses have been added. I can continue my list with sv 2, 12, 43, 70, 76, 86, 87, 89, 90, 109, 161, 163, 243.
Can you give me similar examples from SMRT?? The bus operations between SBST and SMRT just cannot be compared. SBST just wins hands down.
For Weekends for Intra-towns like 911/912(obtaining bendies instead of rigids), 184 getting back some bendy buses, 963 getting bendy during peak, 962x971E getting bendy etc. [It's on/off pattern]
Anyway, I'm mentionning about the reliability of the arrival timing, not the type of buses used. You've somewhat misread my first post mentionning about DDs/Bendy stuff together with the top 2 paragraph.
And let me ask you, even if you have full fleet DDs, can the frequency be improve always? Likewise for the no. of buses used, can it help to improve the frequency always?
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
It cock up esp 854 part. Why out of so many buses take 854. They can take 851/855 wich is more feasible. 854 doesnt even make sense till today and no adjustment is made. 811 also. Since when does neighbourhood townlinks is controlled by 2 depots? The excuse of pulling 811 to WL is to put 171 n 882 into YIS for ONP. Now SBW int is like ghost interchange. Less than 10 buses parked there for ONP.
I only know that the timetable for 169 was slightly better after WLDEP fully controlled for the first few weeks, thereafter heard it cock up. Probably due to larger no. of controls WLDEP have to take?
Infact, there's no point taking the 85x series for majority control under WLDEP. If they consider the factors of travelling time etc.,
>> Sembawang 882/859 should be full WLDEP, 167/980 be minor WLDEP with fleet starting at Sbw Int
>> Yishun 800/804/806/811/812/860 full WLDEP(or AMDEP), 171/851/853/854/855/857 minor WLDEP with fleet starting at Yishun.But still, the 3 depot location is seriously very close..not productive for the company.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Just to point out again - SBST has had massive improvements in its fleet and upgrading bus services in the last one year.
Sv 72 (28 DDs from 21DDs, 3 SDs)
Sv 88 (28 DDs from 22DDs, 3 SDs)
Sv 185 (9DDs/5SDs from 6DDs/7SDs)
Sv 334 (8DDs/1SD from 2DDs/7SDs)
Sv 78 (12DDs/3SDs from 7DDs/6SDs)
Sv 79 (9DDs/3SDs from 2DDs/7SDs)
Sv 45 (6DDs/10SDs from 2DDs/11SDs)
These are just a few examples for you to see how massively the fleet has been upgraded and buses have been added. I can continue my list with sv 2, 12, 43, 70, 76, 86, 87, 89, 90, 109, 161, 163, 243.
Can you give me similar examples from SMRT?? The bus operations between SBST and SMRT just cannot be compared. SBST just wins hands down.
Anyway, what upgrades did 86 get? Still having cocky frequency as usual while waiting at Jalan Kayu
161 the problem is only peak hours, wrong choice of buses sometimes + inconsistant departure(can get lambat, not due to jams but driver left bus park late).
Svc 88 seems to get SDs on/off oftenly, upgraded to "full" DD indeed. Compare with 161, I think 161 is better.
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Actually there's no hurry to build Wenya cause Tengah haven't develop yet.They should built a replacement bigger depot for Amdep.Amdep is very essential cause its more to central and the nearest to east side.But they stubbornly don't admit that instead let Wldep/Wlbp control almost everything.Even Amdep BCs hoping to have a new bigger depot so that they no need to travel all the way back to Yishun and Sembawang.To make matter worse those newly joint control with Wldep or full Wldep from Amdep have screw up frequencies wrongly deploy bus at the wrong time,Longer than usual waiting times.854 one good examples,It used to be quite efficient and reliable svc but since Wldep joint it have become rubbish.Last time when u miss the 12 m there's a bendy behind for peak hours but now peak hours 3 12m straight with full house.I understand SBST is ain't 100% perfect but at least they're improved and will revised runtime every 3 mths accordingly.811 used to have quite better freq during Amdep times but now its totally rubbish too.There're more standby BCs driving rather than perm ones.The only 4 perm BCs I know are the ex-Amdep ones.If they're to survived in the industry they really have to buck up everything from fleet management,Depot supervision,Revised timings once every 3 months,Listen to public feedback and discipline their BCs.Seriously they need to withdraw RWS8 and focus more on basic bus service.They have to let go the contract of servicing sph and Singtel vehicles and concentrate more on their fleets.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
For Weekends for Intra-towns like 911/912(obtaining bendies instead of rigids), 184 getting back some bendy buses, 963 getting bendy during peak, 962x971E getting bendy etc. [It's on/off pattern]
Anyway, I'm mentionning about the reliability of the arrival timing, not the type of buses used. You've somewhat misread my first post mentionning about DDs/Bendy stuff together with the top 2 paragraph.
And let me ask you, even if you have full fleet DDs, can the frequency be improve always? Likewise for the no. of buses used, can it help to improve the frequency always?
I have no intention of joining this debate or war whatsoever, but some things you have said are at best nit-picking, or simply ridiculous.
IIRC Sv 184 and Sv 963's fleet have pretty much remained the same except for those BSEP rigids and the period when:
- 184 went from KJ to WL which saw some bendies disappearing (seems to always happen when services get handed to WL huh?)
- 963 almost had its bendy fleet suffered the same fate as Sv 61.
I don't think these really count as visible improvements.
If you are describing things as being "on/off", then for the love of god I really have to pray very hard daily that the starter is kind enough to always deploy bendy on the slot that I take.
For the last part on frequency, increase in fleet size would always result in better frequencies, but as we all know that's theoretical in nature due to road conditions etc.
However, with more DDs in the fleet, even when frequencies happen to get badly distorted resulting in a build-up of passengers at a certain bus stop, the DDs that arrive have a higher chance to clear the bus stop and at least passengers can board and continue their journey. This buffer makes a hell lot of difference. Can't say so for SMRT services (Sv 857 anyone?).
Originally posted by SMB66X:Anyway, what upgrades did 86 get? Still having cocky frequency as usual while waiting at Jalan Kayu icon_rolleyes.gif 161 the problem is only peak hours, wrong choice of buses sometimes + inconsistant departure(can get lambat, not due to jams but driver left bus park late). Svc 88 seems to get SDs on/off oftenly, upgraded to "full" DD indeed. Compare with 161, I think 161 is better.
For the first part, I'm sure BusAnalyser can furnish you with the information.
The complain about Sv 88 is the real nit-picking part. So what having an SD appearing? If I'm not mistaken that usually occurs on weekends when the loading is less brutal. Heck, even when the loading is high I'm sure the KUB can take a little bit of punishment.
Lastly, to be honest, nobody (at least 2601) intends to sound condescending or dismiss ideas/thoughts/explanations provided by you but clearly they must be well thought-out, logical and substantiated. As a young person, I guess it helps a lot if you give a moment of thought when you reply to posts and craft your responses in more proper sentences and language.
Well, å¿ è¨€ç»ˆç©¶é€†è€³ï¼Œyou can either take what I have written so far as bullcrap or you could actually find some use in it. I hoped I have sounded reasonable thus far.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Add on :
27's frequency during peak hours(off peak too) is rather like 2-3 buses = 1 bus(on normal svc). They come in 1 shot, go in 1 shot. Sometimes creating a gap inbetween too. But that only happen in either one of the directions only.
Anyway, SMRT recently keep having pull over buses from another depot to cover up..mainly WLDEP buses covering up for AM/KJ svc(or mass redeployment?)
did you realise how difficult it is for buses w/ better frequency and having to pass through difficult roads like Tampines Ave 4/ Tampines Ave 5 to maintain the headways properly? Even 179 can have 3 - 4 buses brunching during acad sem time during the AM peak by the time bus leaves NTU campus... Till to this day, you still can't explain 911's erratic freq... 3 - 5 mins but in reality it can be 10 mins per bus...