SMRT giving up bus operation soon?
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SBST is reliable... At least their bus operations are very reliable and amazingly managed.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
SBST is reliable… At least their bus operations are very reliable and amazingly managed.
Nope, not always true. Looking at the arrival timing...
Not bias stand, but SBS Transit is also not reliable. I can say that for SMRT, the reliability is rather up/down type, and most of the time, it's always the major svc that's causing the problem. You can say it's 70% unreliable, 30% reliable(average).
For SBS Transit, it's also the same. However, it's mostly the minor svc and a few major svc. Few major svc like 161, 27, 74 etc. often have the problem. It's rather 60% unreliable, 40% reliable(average).
As for the bus maintenace, I would say none of the operators really provide at least half of the quality. We have aircon faulty, damage seats(basically handle, but rather less), unscrew bells, dirts and algae all around, and even water stored in the bus(those double decks especially).
*Major : Trunks etc.
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All the dreamers....
Or should I just laugh at how blithely ignorant so many of you are.
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If you can do better than the operators, then go do it. No point coming here and commenting on others' point of views~
And at least people can/have dreams~ Do you have one then?
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Some of you write as though LTA is just letting the system slide.
Really?
Even when the DTL train is painted in LTA colours? That tells you zilch?
Call yourselves "transport fans" or whatever?
Or whatever that I typed makes no sense whatsoever to you?
Praying that TIBS....the one that caused so many of SMRT's problems today come back?
Hahahahaha.
And bendy buses? Forget it. Look at how long its taking to replace the old ones. If ever. I personally doubt it will happen.
DDs?
SMRT still dragging its feet.
Maybe we should just corporatise the PTOs.
But that is apparently quite a dirty word with free market SG.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
If you can do better than the operators, then go do it. No point coming here and commenting on others' point of views~
And at least people can/have dreams~ Do you have one then?
Dreams reign govt policies?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Can you say you have worked with LTA?
Even if a person works at LTA, that doesn't mean he's always correct. What makes you think he is always correct? I don't think he's always correct..
There's no right/wrong in throwing anything wild that's in your mind out. And come on, this is a forum, not a suggestion form to LTA. There's nothing shameful about when others give some wild and (redundant, sometimes?) opinion?
As said, if somebody can do better than the operators, then pls volunteer yourself up to LTA personally.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Nope, not always true. Looking at the arrival timing...
Not bias stand, but SBS Transit is also not reliable. I can say that for SMRT, the reliability is rather up/down type, and most of the time, it's always the major svc that's causing the problem. You can say it's 70% unreliable, 30% reliable(average).
For SBS Transit, it's also the same. However, it's mostly the minor svc and a few major svc. Few major svc like 161, 27, 74 etc. often have the problem. It's rather 60% unreliable, 40% reliable(average).
As for the bus maintenace, I would say none of the operators really provide at least half of the quality. We have aircon faulty, damage seats(basically handle, but rather less), unscrew bells, dirts and algae all around, and even water stored in the bus(those double decks especially).
*Major : Trunks etc.
*Minor : Feeder/Intra-townI don't know what you are talking about. sv 27 has a 04-05 min peak frequency, sv 161 capacity has been beefed up and has been made full fleet DD, sv 74 has 07-08 min peak frequency.
You are very biased. Show me one SMRT service that is even full fleet bendy? They cannot afford it. Just pass bendies from one service to the other and show improvements. If you talk about frequency, SMRT services have the worst frequency. What are the improvements to major services in the last few months? Hardly any..
Sv 854, 857 still packed to door and no relied. Sv 72, 88, 185 so much improvement with capacity add.
SBST ordered 500 new high capacity buses, SMRT ???
What you talking leh???
SBST is 100 times better than SMRT. It may not be perfect and for any bus operations it is difficult to be perfect given the loading patterns, traffic jams.
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I mean to be honest, as a elder one, it's always look and sounds stupid to us when a younger person is said something that's like a dream/wish/or anything out of the mind/obvious. It's the different age gap you see...it can be damn facepalm but still, one should be more understanding in it.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Bro if they make changes for everyone benefits I dun mind at all.We all give SMRT a dozen of times but still no change.Buy powerful buses also no point,Under maintenance,Crappy bus condition,Shortage of parking spaces.If they really interested in buying high capacity buses why not they buy now?SBST already got more than 500 newer DDs never mind they look boring as long there's efficient bus timings
I completely agree with you bro... IF SMRT was committed to improve its services, it would have made changes to its infrastructure and problems. Same old problems, no improvements.It has been a year and no announcement on high capacity buses. With increasing population especially in Yishun, CCK and Woodlands area, you need more high capacity buses than just adding buses. But no!! It is adamant to continue its poor operations.
All buses have crossovers. They have problems with their fleet size, with parking, with depots, interchanges. Problems and problems. It will be good for SG if SMRT opts out.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Some of you write as though LTA is just letting the system slide.
Really?
Even when the DTL train is painted in LTA colours? That tells you zilch?
Call yourselves "transport fans" or whatever?
Or whatever that I typed makes no sense whatsoever to you?
Praying that TIBS....the one that caused so many of SMRT's problems today come back?
Hahahahaha.
And bendy buses? Forget it. Look at how long its taking to replace the old ones. If ever. I personally doubt it will happen.
DDs?
SMRT still dragging its feet.
Maybe we should just corporatise the PTOs.
But that is apparently quite a dirty word with free market SG.
Painting buses with LTA livery has a huge political cost. It is tantamount to admitting in public the government has nationalised public transport.
DTL trains appear less obvious to the public because the entire system is underground.
But which foreign player is willing to enter an unprofitable business and turn things around? Veolia is trying to reduce their share on Veolia Transdev. First Group is exiting bus operations in London altogether.
SBS Transit as the sole public bus operator might be the remaining option. When that happens, be prepared to kiss bendy buses goodbye.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Even if a person works at LTA, that doesn't mean he's always correct. What makes you think he is always correct? I don't think he's always correct..
There's no right/wrong in throwing anything wild that's in your mind out. And come on, this is a forum, not a suggestion form to LTA. There's nothing shameful about when others give some wild and (redundant, sometimes?) opinion?
As said, if somebody can do better than the operators, then pls volunteer yourself up to LTA personally.
Actually you just have to pay attention to what LTA is doing.
We'll see.
I disagree.
It is shameful to put on a show that displays wilful ignorance to people.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Painting buses with LTA livery has a huge political cost. It is tantamount to admitting in public the government has nationalised public transport.
DTL trains appear less obvious to the public because the entire system is underground.
But which foreign player is willing to enter an unprofitable business and turn things around? Veolia is trying to reduce their share on Veolia Transdev. First Group is exiting bus operations in London altogether.
SBS Transit as the sole public bus operator might be the remaining option. When that happens, be prepared to kiss bendy buses goodbye.
To nudge PTOs, if even possible, to get green buses, purchasing them is an option to be explored.
Otherwise these buses will just keep failing the trials, as in the cases here.
Subsidising is another way.
But that is also a dirty word because it implies concession to PTOs.
And BSEP buses have different license plates.
Not obvious.
But enough to cover LTA's backside.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I don't know what you are talking about. sv 27 has a 04-05 min peak frequency, sv 161 capacity has been beefed up and has been made full fleet DD, sv 74 has 07-08 min peak frequency.
You are very biased. Show me one SMRT service that is even full fleet bendy? They cannot afford it. Just pass bendies from one service to the other and show improvements. If you talk about frequency, SMRT services have the worst frequency. What are the improvements to major services in the last few months? Hardly any..
Sv 854, 857 still packed to door and no relied. Sv 72, 88, 185 so much improvement with capacity add.
SBST ordered 500 new high capacity buses, SMRT ???
What you talking leh???
SBST is 100 times better than SMRT. It may not be perfect and for any bus operations it is difficult to be perfect given the loading patterns, traffic jams.
Svc27 sometimes can delay departure during off peaks, same goes for 161. 161 is rather common instead. There's always inconsistent departure during peak(against IRIS and timetable) if you compare it against 168.
Mentioned above, most of the SMRT svc are like up/downs one..There's time where you get a good frequency, and there's time where you don't(Svc like 962, 964, 187(?), 172) Svc like(personally experience) 966/960 would often get poor/rubbish frequency, and they are always poor.
I would say that the arrangement of BSEP buses at specific timing do help to solve the issue a little. Putting aside the BSEP, the fleet changing/introduction of SWT is rather improving the frequency like on/off. But generally, there's some fleet having a reliable frequency at some point in time, that's why it's up/down pattern, doesn't have a constant one.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Actually you just have to pay attention to what LTA is doing.
We'll see.
I disagree.
It is shameful to put on a show that displays wilful ignorance to people.
I don't really trust the work of LTA sometimes, but still at least better than nth.
Shameful to you maybe, but what about to others(them/their age grp)? If you can understand their current stand, the world would be peaceful already...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I completely agree with you bro... IF SMRT was committed to improve its services, it would have made changes to its infrastructure and problems. Same old problems, no improvements.It has been a year and no announcement on high capacity buses. With increasing population especially in Yishun, CCK and Woodlands area, you need more high capacity buses than just adding buses. But no!! It is adamant to continue its poor operations.
All buses have crossovers. They have problems with their fleet size, with parking, with depots, interchanges. Problems and problems. It will be good for SG if SMRT opts out.
I'm half agree with the bolded statement, but rather I would just watch and see what's their move. Furthermore, by looking at the SMB rego, they only have 1 bendy so far. Rumours of 30 MAN A24 etc., are just rumours(can be true/fake). Rather, it's the management that's not really willing to serve.
You just need to be patience, wait and see. First SMB bendy only, doesn't mean they totally rejects the DD option.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
I don't really trust the work of LTA sometimes, but still at least better than nth.
Shameful to you maybe, but what about to others(them/their age grp)? If you can understand their current stand, the world would be peaceful already...
haha
Oh please
The facts speak for themselves.
Its shameful to me that there are those who continually speak their mind with no clear conception or awareness and EXPECT people to view their opinions as some right.
You go out to work with people with that sort of attitude and I guarantee you will not be taken seriously when you expect to be.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
To nudge PTOs, if even possible, to get green buses, purchasing them is an option to be explored.
Otherwise these buses will just keep failing the trials, as in the cases here.
Subsidising is another way.
But that is also a dirty word because it implies concession to PTOs.
And BSEP buses have different license plates.
Not obvious.
But enough to cover LTA's backside.
Let's see how much vitriol this is going to attract: how about Yutong hybrid buses in bulk?
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And let's say if SBST or any people take over SMRT, can they fix all the cui buses and provide a good maintenace? I doubt so...even if possible, that would take some times and by then, the first batch would be back to cui again.
There's rather more work to really "refresh" the whole fleet I think? Unless they buy new buses, scrap the old, I don't think it's rather easy.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
haha
Oh please
The facts speak for themselves.
Its shameful to me that there are those who continually speak their mind with no clear conception or awareness and EXPECT people to view their opinions as some right.
You go out to work with people with that sort of attitude and I guarantee you will not be taken seriously when you expect to be.
I have lost faith in local enthusiasts long ago.
You haven't seen the worse ones yet.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Let's see how much vitriol this is going to attract: how about Yutong hybrid buses in bulk?
They have a lifespan of 10 years.
Doesnt make sense to buy MIC products unless they improve.
The worst was when a electric taxi kena langa in Suzhou. The car caught fire and everyone inside died.
The battery wasn't the culprit.
The car body was.
Oh the irony.
They spent so much money ensuring the battery is fail-proof, but went to cut cost by using flammable material for the car body.
You dare to buy?
LTA would have been watching that episode clearly, I am sure.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
I have lost faith in local enthusiasts long ago.
By his logic, you are supposed to be back him up.
Not me.
I am supposed to be the b*tch.
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Do SMRT got enough money to buy DD bus?
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Why dont you ask that know-all tomas?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
haha
Oh please
The facts speak for themselves.
Its shameful to me that there are those who continually speak their mind with no clear conception or awareness and EXPECT people to view their opinions as some right.
You go out to work with people with that sort of attitude and I guarantee you will not be taken seriously when you expect to be.
Hmm isn't that another story then? There isn't something that's happened already, isn't it supposed to be more of opinion/views/facts/thoughts here?