1 dead, 2 injured after SMRT bus flipped on its side
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
there are already cases of brake failure.. it is possible.... go google.. further it is down slope.. travelling at 60km entering the slope and with brake fail, the bus will just go faster and faster.......if u have study science....... even if the bus is stationary at the entrance to the slope and without any brake, the bus will just travel down the slope faster and faster...
anyway, there is this train accident in canada recently as well... Train park on top of slope with brake engaged. engine is NOT ON, and seem like brake having issue and train speed down the slope at high speed and crashed..
and there are still many people who feel so happy when SMRT BCs speed on expressway... saying that the 858/965/969 buses that they take can overtake 39/161/168 buses easily,.....
That time TIB1163P accelerator jammed inside WLDEP, and it went to hit 1 of the pillars, thus it took more than 2 months to come back with new glossy front on the inside and outside... Inside regoless for very long until a new small white rego was pasted not long ago...
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Originally posted by FireIce:
saw the video
like action movie sia
Very very fortunate it was a Sunday morning with only 2 pax inside.
Can you imagine such a thing happening with more people inside the bus and when the road has more cars?
As for those of you who are speculating and giving your "expert" views, give it a rest la. Alamak, there are various possibilities and its impossible to tell these things from a single video. Yes, opinions are yours to keep, freedom of speech is yours to share. But there is that fine line before it becomes insensitive.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
there are already cases of brake failure.. it is possible.... go google.. further it is down slope.. travelling at 60km entering the slope and with brake fail, the bus will just go faster and faster.......if u have study science....... even if the bus is stationary at the entrance to the slope and without any brake, the bus will just travel down the slope faster and faster...
anyway, there is this train accident in canada recently as well... Train park on top of slope with brake engaged. engine is NOT ON, and seem like brake having issue and train speed down the slope at high speed and crashed..
and there are still many people who feel so happy when SMRT BCs speed on expressway... saying that the 858/965/969 buses that they take can overtake 39/161/168 buses easily,.....
Its as bad as those who say things like "poor bus", "bus can repair", "bus RIP".
Bus can repair, bus can scrap for some value.
Human life.
How do you put a value to that??
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
That time TIB1163P accelerator jammed inside WLDEP, and it went to hit 1 of the pillars, thus it took more than 2 months to come back with new glossy front on the inside and outside... Inside regoless for very long until a new small white rego was pasted not long ago...
I remember 1163P,1159C and 1227P were missing from 960 for a period of time in 2010
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
I remember 1163P,1159C and 1227P were missing from 960 for a period of time in 2010
Both TIB1159C and TIB1227P went for articulator overhaul, thus they came back with the curtains looking new...
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
there are already cases of brake failure.. it is possible.... go google.. further it is down slope.. travelling at 60km entering the slope and with brake fail, the bus will just go faster and faster.......if u have study science....... even if the bus is stationary at the entrance to the slope and without any brake, the bus will just travel down the slope faster and faster...
anyway, there is this train accident in canada recently as well... Train park on top of slope with brake engaged. engine is NOT ON, and seem like brake having issue and train speed down the slope at high speed and crashed..
and there are still many people who feel so happy when SMRT BCs speed on expressway... saying that the 858/965/969 buses that they take can overtake 39/161/168 buses easily,.....
Yeah, but SMRT said it's working...hmm~~ And yes, the bus will travel down the slope faster due to the weight and force. Further more, the bus is going down the slope, I suspect the driver could be at his 50km/h, and brake happened to failed that causes the bus to accelerate faster with the slope.
Bolded : Yeah I do feel happy too, even SBS Transit drivers driving 161/168 also overtook SMRT buses sometimes/their own bunch up buses. Infact, everyone on expressway are always speeding, taxi/cars etc. If accident occurs, only can blame ur luck liao. But still, drivers whom speed(base on I observed), does practise safety when reaching the exit, only experienced once on 2709C 161 where drivers accelerate all the way when reaching Sengkang...
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Incident featured on Frontline on Channel 8 (26/7)...
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Yeah, but SMRT said it's working...hmm~~ And yes, the bus will travel down the slope faster due to the weight and force. Further more, the bus is going down the slope, I suspect the driver could be at his 50km/h, and brake happened to failed that causes the bus to accelerate faster with the slope.
Bolded : Yeah I do feel happy too, even SBS Transit drivers driving 161/168 also overtook SMRT buses sometimes/their own bunch up buses. Infact, everyone on expressway are always speeding, taxi/cars etc. If accident occurs, only can blame ur luck liao. But still, drivers whom speed(base on I observed), does practise safety when reaching the exit, only experienced once on 2709C 161 where drivers accelerate all the way when reaching Sengkang...
So do u think smrt will publicly admit that there is brake fault ? Of course no right? They now must say the bus is ok. Then when there is the coroner hearing then we will see the real reason.
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the BC has not been arrested till date
something more that meet the eye
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Yeah, but SMRT said it's working...hmm~~ And yes, the bus will travel down the slope faster due to the weight and force. Further more, the bus is going down the slope, I suspect the driver could be at his 50km/h, and brake happened to failed that causes the bus to accelerate faster with the slope.
Hmmm i have not seen anywhere that said SMRT claimed that TIB605M brakes are working at the time of the accident. They said it was last checked in June 2013 and at THAT date it was working fine. So we may not know if this time the brakes are working or not. However do note that the driver also mentioned that his accelerator was jammed of some sorts, losing control of it. At 50-60km/h with max engine power and down slope, i believe the brakes will eventually burn itself out (aka brake fade).
Edit: I myself have experience accelerator jamming on a MKIV Strider. Was on 66 and the BC kept kicking down everytime the bus moves off. Somewhere along Bukit Timah Road the trottle was jammed wide open while the BC was kicking down. The engine surges and gearbox kicks down all the while, pushing the bus forward as if it's out of control.
The engine and gearbox was screaming totally when the BC slammed hard on the brakes. Bus grinds to a halt immediately and a female child was screaming from the violent force. While the bus has come to a stop, the engine was still revving at its max. Somehow the driver managed to get back control of the trottle. I myself was shocked as to what had just happened. -
that's it, we need transformer buses. brakes dont work, transform to robot mode
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
Hmmm i have not seen anywhere that said SMRT claimed that TIB605M brakes are working at the time of the accident. They said it was last checked in June 2013 and at THAT date it was working fine. So we may not know if this time the brakes are working or not. However do note that the driver also mentioned that his accelerator was jammed of some sorts, losing control of it. At 50-60km/h with max engine power and down slope, i believe the brakes will eventually burn itself out (aka brake fade).
Edit: I myself have experience accelerator jamming on a MKIV Strider. Was on 66 and the BC kept kicking down everytime the bus moves off. Somewhere along Bukit Timah Road the trottle was jammed wide open while the BC was kicking down. The engine surges and gearbox kicks down all the while, pushing the bus forward as if it's out of control.
The engine and gearbox was screaming totally when the BC slammed hard on the brakes. Bus grinds to a halt immediately and a female child was screaming from the violent force. While the bus has come to a stop, the engine was still revving at its max. Somehow the driver managed to get back control of the trottle. I myself was shocked as to what had just happened.Correcting to my sentence(and bolded) :
I think I've misread the sentence :x
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
So do u think smrt will publicly admit that there is brake fault ? Of course no right? They now must say the bus is ok. Then when there is the coroner hearing then we will see the real reason.
That's the past of them, but not sure about now. :x But anyway, I've somewhat misread the news abit :x
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There's something more to this case..trust me...
it has been 2 weeks..the BC should have either been charged or sacked by now..
but until now still no news..
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in the army, you know what the driving instructor taught us? if accelerator fail, brakes fail,
you pull the handbrakes. if the driver indeed stick to this basic protocol, and at the speed the bus going even if the brakes or accelerator fail, the handbrake if indeed used gensuinely would be damaged.
all these evidence can be found after the accident atthe site scene invesitagtion or tow back to garage for overhaul /inspection review.
if the damages are assessed not to the depth of engine and at the brake mechanism line assembly level, and if the brakes found internally dmaged not due to impact but rather wear at force speed angagement, then the driver probably telling the truth.
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Mercedes buses are unsafe!
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Originally posted by bus_warrior:
Mercedes buses are unsafe!
Then if Many Volvo buses get into freak accident you also stereotype all unsafe is it?Like that buy your own car and your own motorbike too
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Must scrap all old non-WAB buses asap and replace with MAN~
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Originally posted by Gus.chong e:
Must scrap all old non-WAB buses asap and replace with MAN~
FAGGOT
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Must buy O405 again with same bodywork.
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Originally posted by Bus Fan:
Must buy O405 again with same bodywork.
Is that sarcastic?
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Lol
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all seats must be able to eject out of the bus during emergencies
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what is the verdict of this accident? Still no news yet, did they cover up something ? Thomas
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Think SMRT is covering up sth
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