BSEP wave for 18th February 2013
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
Woodlands Interchange's feeders are in serious need of BSEP additions, namely 900, 901 and 903, but especially 901, which only has a fleet of 3 buses, no split shift buses and which regularly leaves commuters stranded at the interchange, resigned to wait for the next bus.
I agree with you on this, especially when Champions Court has already TOP a few months back, adding to the morning crowd.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Sv 60 again uh? They just added one a few months back right?
I actually hope Sv 53's one is a normal fleet add & not a BSEP. The 66xx Citaros are there for a reason I guess? Plus if they dump a BSEP fleet add for Sv 53, it doesn't solve the congestion prob at CGA for Sv 53 every day after 7pm. Cause by that time, the BSEP bus would be on the expressway or reaching back Bishan alr?
410W also need improvement, even during off-peak hours. already have a few times it was so packed (around 1+) that some people had to wait for the next bus.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
svc 10, 12 to get a Wright?
Didn't think these 2 bus services really needed a BSEP addition ~ doing quite fine in managing load with current fleet.
sv10 morning to CBD confirm FAIL QoS...
commuters who cant board 10e[as it is already packed] will try to squeeze sv10, go see for yourself at Suntec bus stop,
Evening 1st, 2nd sv10e packed, 3rd ok, 4th half full
sv10 is ok provided the traffic at Keppel Rd is manages properly so that the bus arrive at the scheduled timings...
sv12 has too many SDs in fleet, during CNY period while i was at 牛车水, it is SDs at night when the DDs are slacking at the depot...
mornings twds Pasir Ris, East Coast Rd seen bus is very packed...
Strange PT officials, throw so many DDs to sv43[wic has a parrallel 76] rather than improve those that are bursting at seams...(as mentioned in earlier posts, sv43 evening load is from Nex to Punggol, down trips from here would suffice)
Last week, 1811hrs spotted at Tanjong Katong South/Mountbatten Rd junction, 1 sv43 DD, followed by 2 sv76 DDs, then SBS6234D, empty... SIGH -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
sv10 morning to CBD confirm FAIL QoS...
commuters who cant board 10e[as it is already packed] will try to squeeze sv10, go see for yourself at Suntec bus stop,
Evening 1st, 2nd sv10e packed, 3rd ok, 4th half full
sv10 is ok provided the traffic at Keppel Rd is manages properly so that the bus arrive at the scheduled timings...
sv12 has too many SDs in fleet, during CNY period while i was at 牛车水, it is SDs at night when the DDs are slacking at the depot...
mornings twds Pasir Ris, East Coast Rd seen bus is very packed...
Strange PT officials, throw so many DDs to sv43[wic has a parrallel 76] rather than improve those that are bursting at seams...(as mentioned in earlier posts, sv43 evening load is from Nex to Punggol, down trips from here would suffice)
Last week, 1811hrs spotted at Tanjong Katong South/Mountbatten Rd junction, 1 sv43 DD, followed by 2 sv76 DDs, then SBS6234D, empty... SIGHDo you know that 76 also had capacity increase recently? Now it has 11 DDs, 5 SDs. 43, 70, 76 case is unique. 76 is one of the only bus that connects through the most populous areas of AMK to Paya Lebar. The morning peak timing load on each bus is around 100 pax. You will see around 30 pax getting down at Asiawide, another 30 at Tai Seng. The bus will have just 20 pax when it reaches Paya Lebar MRT. Here, if a 43 or 135 has not called at the stop, then at least 70-75 people enter the bus just at this stop. If there is a 43 or 135 just ahead, there will be only 7-8 people boarding the 76 and so at Marine Parade you will see only 20 pax in the DD.
I would have added more DDs to 70 and 76 rather than svc 43 as in the area where it plies on its own Buangkok Green to Punggol or Marine Parade to East Coast Terminal, the normal loading is only around 30-40 pax. But 43 is a good service to provide relief to 76 from Marine Parade to Tai Seng, and 70 from Paya Lebar to YCK Road.
I remember last year when the capacity on 43 was increased from 2 to 4 DDs, everyone said it is a waste. Later in the year, the capacity increased from 4 to 8 DDs. You never know they might add 1-2 more DDs to make 43 50% high capacity service. It is HGDEPs favourite service.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Do you know that 76 also had capacity increase recently? Now it has 11 DDs, 5 SDs. 43, 70, 76 case is unique. 76 is one of the only bus that connects through the most populous areas of AMK to Paya Lebar. The morning peak timing load on each bus is around 100 pax. You will see around 30 pax getting down at Asiawide, another 30 at Tai Seng. The bus will have just 20 pax when it reaches Paya Lebar MRT. Here, if a 43 or 135 has not called at the stop, then at least 70-75 people enter the bus just at this stop. If there is a 43 or 135 just ahead, there will be only 7-8 people boarding the 76 and so at Marine Parade you will see only 20 pax in the DD.
I would have added more DDs to 70 and 76 rather than svc 43 as in the area where it plies on its own Buangkok Green to Punggol or Marine Parade to East Coast Terminal, the normal loading is only around 30-40 pax. But 43 is a good service to provide relief to 76 from Marine Parade to Tai Seng, and 70 from Paya Lebar to YCK Road.
I remember last year when the capacity on 43 was increased from 2 to 4 DDs, everyone said it is a waste. Later in the year, the capacity increased from 4 to 8 DDs. You never know they might add 1-2 more DDs to make 43 50% high capacity service. It is HGDEPs favourite service.
I am not going to start a flame war with you but do you stay in Katong area?!
If you see the freq of 43, you will get the point...
Did i say mention anitin abt sv76 having more buses?! i c sv76 everyday coz it is in front of place and i din even mention anitin abt sv76 capacity's in my post, before you jump the gun and start quoting me wrongly, read every word i type.
& i dun need to be inform of sv76's capacity as i know it quite well, thank you
My concern is sv43 and always has been sv43, unless you are on the ground daily like i do, please refrain from quoting and replying to my post to prevent any misunderstanding.
you see how empty is sv43 twds UEC in the morning peak daily.
sv43's additional DDs are still a waste untill SBST decides to maximise the load capacity of sv43 at the correct bus stops.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
I am not going to start a flame war with you but do you stay in Katong area?!
If you see the freq of 43, you will get the point...
Did i say mention anitin abt sv76 having more buses?! i c sv76 everyday coz it is in front of place and i din even mention anitin abt sv76 capacity's in my post, before you jump the gun and start quoting me wrongly, read every word i type.
& i dun need to be inform of sv76's capacity as i know it quite well, thank you
My concern is sv43 and always has been sv43, unless you are on the ground daily like i do, please refrain from quoting and replying to my post to prevent any misunderstanding.
you see how empty is sv43 twds UEC in the morning peak daily.
sv43's additional DDs are still a waste untill SBST decides to maximise the load capacity of sv43 at the correct bus stops.
Fyi, HGDEP's fav service is not sv43, do not make a joke out of itThis is a joke... Please read again... I was supporting you with what you were saying about svc 43 that it does not need so many DDs... I just added my own observation on 76 to it... Oh my god! People and their tempers on this forum!!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
This is a joke... Please read again... I was supporting you with what you were saying about svc 43 that it does not need so many DDs... I just added my own observation on 76 to it... Oh my god! People and their tempers on this forum!!
Reading again, not clear enough to show support, maybe my english not that good...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Reading again, not clear enough to show support, maybe my english not that good...
ACxMaybe I'll make it more clear and copy paste it here.
I would have added more DDs to 70 and 76 rather than svc 43 as in the area where it plies on its own Buangkok Green to Punggol or Marine Parade to East Coast Terminal, the normal loading is only around 30-40 pax. But 43 is a good service to provide relief to 76 from Marine Parade to Tai Seng, and 70 from Paya Lebar to YCK Road.
I remember last year when the capacity on 43 was increased from 2 to 4 DDs, everyone said it is a waste. Later in the year, the capacity increased from 4 to 8 DDs. You never know they might add 1-2 more DDs to make 43 50% high capacity service. It is HGDEPs favourite service.
>> The reason I gave explanation on 76 is for my statement where I said I would add more DDs on 76 than 43 otherwise there would be someone else who would start a flame war for quoting 76 for more DDs. See my point, buddy!!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Maybe I'll make it more clear and copy paste it here.
I would have added more DDs to 70 and 76 rather than svc 43 as in the area where it plies on its own Buangkok Green to Punggol or Marine Parade to East Coast Terminal, the normal loading is only around 30-40 pax. But 43 is a good service to provide relief to 76 from Marine Parade to Tai Seng, and 70 from Paya Lebar to YCK Road.
I remember last year when the capacity on 43 was increased from 2 to 4 DDs, everyone said it is a waste. Later in the year, the capacity increased from 4 to 8 DDs. You never know they might add 1-2 more DDs to make 43 50% high capacity service. It is HGDEPs favourite service.
>> The reason I gave explanation on 76 is for my statement where I said I would add more DDs on 76 than 43 otherwise there would be someone else who would start a flame war for quoting 76 for more DDs. See my point, buddy!!
Got it, you shld nt add sv43 is HG fav...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
sv10 morning to CBD confirm FAIL QoS...
commuters who cant board 10e[as it is already packed] will try to squeeze sv10, go see for yourself at Suntec bus stop,
Evening 1st, 2nd sv10e packed, 3rd ok, 4th half full
sv10 is ok provided the traffic at Keppel Rd is manages properly so that the bus arrive at the scheduled timings...
sv12 has too many SDs in fleet, during CNY period while i was at 牛车水, it is SDs at night when the DDs are slacking at the depot...
mornings twds Pasir Ris, East Coast Rd seen bus is very packed...
Strange PT officials, throw so many DDs to sv43[wic has a parrallel 76] rather than improve those that are bursting at seams...(as mentioned in earlier posts, sv43 evening load is from Nex to Punggol, down trips from here would suffice)
Last week, 1811hrs spotted at Tanjong Katong South/Mountbatten Rd junction, 1 sv43 DD, followed by 2 sv76 DDs, then SBS6234D, empty... SIGHHave to agree with you that the starter has kind of messed up his priorities this year. A few years ago when the CDGEs & VO3xs were still together on those Chinatown services like Sv 2, 12 etc, every year during CNY period, confirm chop they will deploy DDs to Chinatown. Even full DD fleet usually during that period.
But after the KUBs started to invade Sv 2 & 12, the starter somehow deployed more KUBs instead during CNY this year & last year. Which doesn't help with the load much cause there's only so much crush loading can do.
Yeah, Sv 43 kinda has a surplus of capacity nowadays. However, I don't rule out there's someone here, or out there in the general public, that has consistently complained to SBST abt getting more buses for Sv 43 that they got tired of his / her complaints that they just dumped more DDs once & for all for Sv 43. It definitely seems so to me given how much the capacity Sv 43 increased in the past year when the demand is unstable. -
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Alot of the services you mentioned you could do with more DDs. Like I said, having excess capacity wouldn't hurt in any case if the depots has enough SP DDs to deploy in the first place. It's like saving up for a future rainy day. And more importantly, services like 12, 21, 59, 70 etc already have more than 60% WAB in their fleet to satisfy the quota. So even if the starters add 1 or 2 more non-WAB DDs, the proportion of WABs in their fleet would most likely still remain above the min 60% required for the quota. So the starters actually have alot of play with in my opinion, both B9TLs & VO3xs / B10TLs that could be deployed from their SP fleet if they chose to. It's whether they choose to utilise the existing non-WAB SPs or put in the newer B9TLs.
I think Sv 268 has some height restriction along the way though or something with regards to using a 3-axle DD? Same case with Sv 359 actually. Sv 359 has a stretch of road that is too tight for a current 3-axle DD to turn, but Sv 359 did have 2-axle DDs last time many many many years back. There's a slight difference in that I think. So they resorted to adding BSEP for Sv 359 instead of upgrading to DDs (which was the case of mass DD upgrades for Sv 291 last year)
I'm not so sure about Service 268, but it might be due to AMK St 62 or AMK Ind Park 2 turning constraints. There are no turning constraints at St 63 or St 64, as Service 70 plies there, correct me if I'm wrong.
For Service 265, is there a constraint at St 11, St 52, St 53 or St 54?
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
I'm not so sure about Service 268, but it might be due to AMK St 62 or AMK Ind Park 2 turning constraints. There are no turning constraints at St 63 or St 64, as Service 70 plies there, correct me if I'm wrong.
For Service 265, is there a constraint at St 11, St 52, St 53 or St 54?
I am not sure but I don't think there should be turning restrictions because these roads and turns are also like st 63 and st 64. For 268 not having DDs, I can think of two reasons: 76 with a good fleet of DDs has similar route from YCK MRT to AMK Ave 3, and the load of 268 is just in one direction.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I am not sure but I don't think there should be turning restrictions because these roads and turns are also like st 63 and st 64. For 268 not having DDs, I can think of two reasons: 76 with a good fleet of DDs has similar route from YCK MRT to AMK Ave 3, and the load of 268 is just in one direction.
I might be a bit over-generalising, but anything that has to do with load in only one direction doesn't quite explain why SDs only for the current fleet of any service.
As long as I look at Sv 43, i've nothing against the service btw, but the way they dump the DDs on Sv 43 irregardless of the demand peaking for only certain stretches of the route, and depending on whether there's bunching with other services furthermore at the bus stops along the stretch with supposedly high demand, I somehow think that this issue of demand only in one direction is not quite justifiable for any service having only SDs.
Sv 291 off-peak can have 2-3 DDs bunching together, each with only about 5pax per bus. But the demand during Peak swells like crazy. And I believe Sv 268 should be the same case from what I've seen lately. So my point is, having excess capacity by having some DDs wouldn't hurt for any service, unless there's valid height restrictions or turning concerns.
AMDEP wise for Sv 268, I actually think the lack of DD SPs is a hindrance. If they have enough DD SPs like BN & HG does, they can just dump lor if they want provided no turning & height restrictions. Just think about it, just my observation.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
I might be a bit over-generalising, but anything that has to do with load in only one direction doesn't quite explain why SDs only for the current fleet of any service.
As long as I look at Sv 43, i've nothing against the service btw, but the way they dump the DDs on Sv 43 irregardless of the demand peaking for only certain stretches of the route, and depending on whether there's bunching with other services furthermore at the bus stops along the stretch with supposedly high demand, I somehow think that this issue of demand only in one direction is not quite justifiable for any service having only SDs.
Sv 291 off-peak can have 2-3 DDs bunching together, each with only about 5pax per bus. But the demand during Peak swells like crazy. And I believe Sv 268 should be the same case from what I've seen lately. So my point is, having excess capacity by having some DDs wouldn't hurt for any service, unless there's valid height restrictions or turning concerns.
AMDEP wise for Sv 268, I actually think the lack of DD SPs is a hindrance. If they have enough DD SPs like BN & HG does, they can just dump lor if they want provided no turning & height restrictions. Just think about it, just my observation.Hoping to see DDs on 268, the peak hour loading is crazy on this service and 2 back-to-back KUBs will be packed with 70pax. As far as the road, it doesn't seem there is any turning restriction and there is definitely no height restriction.
May be lack of spare DDs with AMDEP could be the reason.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
svc 10, 12 to get a Wright?
Didn't think these 2 bus services really needed a BSEP addition ~ doing quite fine in managing load with current fleet.
12 is also pack during Weekends Night around changi prison(the place where 24 plies before going to PIE) forgot its name
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
12 is also pack during Weekends Night around changi prison(the place where 24 plies before going to PIE) forgot its name
svc 12 doesn't ply near Changi Prison, my friend. I think you are confusing with svc 2. svc 12 and 24 share common route from Tanah Merah MRT to Expo Halls only (which I had earlier referred to as Expo road, meaning road leading to Expo, not literally the road name is that. Sigh!)
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
12 is also pack during Weekends Night around changi prison(the place where 24 plies before going to PIE) forgot its name
FYI - The stop is Changi Court before 24 plies PIE to airport. Other services calling this stop are svc 2, 5.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
svc 12 doesn't ply near Changi Prison, my friend. I think you are confusing with svc 2. svc 12 and 24 share common route from Tanah Merah MRT to Expo Halls only (which I had earlier referred to as Expo road, meaning road leading to Expo, not literally the road name is that. Sigh!)
Oh, but 12 is still packed at Tanah Merah at night. SDs can be very full and ppl cant get aboard SDs.
And 2 is pack at Upp Changi Rd East
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
Oh, but 12 is still packed at Tanah Merah at night. SDs can be very full and ppl cant get aboard SDs.
And 2 is pack at Upp Changi Rd East
I suppose the direction you're talking about is towards PSR for Sv 12? It seems so from the way you describe. Anyway, the reason why Sv 12 is always packed from Tanah Merah & Expo onwards is because Sv 12 has a tendency to come first before any Sv 38 bus, esp during & immediately after Peak Hours. So those ppl working at Expo & the Changi Business Park have to board Sv 12 to get to Simei or Tampines to switch to other services, since Sv 38 doesn't come as frequently.
Those ppl will alight in bulk at the Tampines East CC bus stop at Tamp Ave 2 & transfer to the other Tampines-bound svcs at that bus stop. Seen that alot of times already for years actually. After that stop, the Sv 12 bus would be considerably empty or half-empty usually.
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12 can do with 5 SDs the max..Cannot every svc must full dd leh.I did saw 2 svc 12 SDs with no standees during pm peak towards PSR.109 also used to have 5 DDs from hgdep and occasional DD from Bndep side during weekends but now only left 3 Split DDs from Hgdep.
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Woodlands feeders also has problems w/ schedule adherence...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
12 can do with 5 SDs the max..Cannot every svc must full dd leh.I did saw 2 svc 12 SDs with no standees during pm peak towards PSR.109 also used to have 5 DDs from hgdep and occasional DD from Bndep side during weekends but now only left 3 Split DDs from Hgdep.
Paiseh uh, but when did Sv 109 had 5 DDs from HG all along? As far as my memory goes, the max no. of DDs it ever had as perm was the current 3. Unless you're saying that the number of DD duties 109 had was five?
Sv 109 weekends BNDEP usually send out 1 DD per week, has been the case for many months alr. haha. And I believe at least one of the current HG 109 DDs is a A/P bus. They added two S-shift initially (3060H 3082U), but the 3157M they added later on AFAIK is on a A/P duty. Not sure if they converted 3082U into A/P too or not lately though.
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10 12 15 22 53 88 100 123 154 243G 354
15 354 x2, the rest x1, 88 not sure (maybe x2).
12 citaros and 2 wrights.
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Service 12: 3319M (2 trips added throughout the day, 0742 & 1527hrs from PSR Int. )
Service 354: 6356K 6357H. -
Originally posted by service_238:
10 12 15 22 53 88 100 123 154 243G 354
15 354 x2, the rest x1, 88 not sure (maybe x2).
12 citaros and 2 wrights.
Not all of these services are under BSEP, are they?
I only spotted a bunch of 66xx Citaros on Sv 53 today so far..do you happen to know the timings of the new trips for Sv 53 as well?
Service 15:
I spotted the entire fleet of Sv 15 today throughout AM Peak today. All the 16 existing permers are accounted for (all the perm Mk4s & KUBs, no other cameos). But there's an additional duty though today, in between 8665E & 8356Y, but the Citaro that was on that additional new slot is 6168L (BN 518). I didn't spot any other BSEP Citaros or that kind on Sv 15 for the entire route during AM Peak. So Sv 15 isn't under BSEP it seems?
Could it be that Sv 15 only has 1 new S-shift added with this new timetable change from today? Cause I rmb the other time you said before that Sv 15 seems to have an extra bus according to the previous timetable, but these 2 months I've observed the fleet and there's consistently 16 buses during Peak usually, including 8189M. So possibly 8189M was on outside-schedule duty? So possibly in turn means this timetable change reflects the updated timings for 8189M + 1 more new S-shift?
What are the timings anyway again for the added trips on Sv 15? Maybe the BSEP trip I missed out or something...but idk. wanna double-check with you first.On another note, the Sv 15/354 X-over is removed WEF today as well I suppose? both 2603Z & the occasional x-over replacement 1942B are on Sv 15 throughout AM Peak.