Bus services which are constantly running behind schedule
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Both effeciency(speed) and safety(speed control) play a part. What if a service is considered "safe driving" but is terribly slow? That's how service 161 is... 161 and 969 travel roughly the same distance, but 161 is pathetically slow in that sense. 168 is faster because of the route and not the bus type or bus chassis, as 969 passes by WDL, Gambas Ave and YIS before turning left to SLE.
I don't expect every bus to like "die die must speed above 70", because safety also plays a part in this. However, have you ever experienced the snail paces of services 23, 39, 72, 81 and 161? Ouch! My butt hurts whenever I ride these services(full journey or at least 3/4 of the journey), worse than standing all the way onboard 965 or 969... At least I like 168 which has both effeciency and safety, and also at the same time proves to be a very reliable service.
Have you ever observed the boarding and alighting of service 222 at Bedok Stn, or even 154 and 183 holding up all the buses behind at Clementi Station. Even if you use 3 doors DD, still have to climb down the steep and narrow stairs...
lets be very very clear.... SBST's scheduling for highway services is better in the way they do not require the drivers to exceed speed limits or drive flagrantly fast. no such thing for SMRT, the schedules are tight enough to make the SL exceed the legal speed limit. Maybe driving at 80km/h is wonderful for speed demons like you but is not desirable in the name of safety, we don't need large flying bullets on the already dangerous highways. i have observed that most if not all of the SMRT buses on the highways exceed the speed limit, there can only be one reason for this, that the tight schedule is to be met. it is disappointing some people disregard safety in the name of 'speed' and 'effeciency'. the 161 and 168 DDs always keep to 60km/h on the highways, so the only reason that other buses such as 969 bendy buses could overtake those DDs like nobody's business was because it was driving flagrantly fast. and who needs so much horsepower for the bendies when the speed limit is only 60km/h....
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Oh yeah, I forgot one- Service 23.
Actually, I boarded a 53 Citaro from Pasir Ris Dr 1 to Bishan Int and it was quite fast actually...
fast? did you record the actual speed? dont have illusions cos the engine revs very high yet speed not that high
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
lets be very very clear.... SBST's scheduling for highway services is better in the way they do not require the drivers to exceed speed limits or drive flagrantly fast. no such thing for SMRT, the schedules are tight enough to make the SL exceed the legal speed limit. Maybe driving at 80km/h is wonderful for speed demons like you but is not desirable in the name of safety, we don't need large flying bullets on the already dangerous highways. i have observed that most if not all of the SMRT buses on the highways exceed the speed limit, there can only be one reason for this, that the tight schedule is to be met. it is disappointing some people disregard safety in the name of 'speed' and 'effeciency'. the 161 and 168 DDs always keep to 60km/h on the highways, so the only reason that other buses such as 969 bendy buses could overtake those DDs like nobody's business was because it was driving flagrantly fast. and who needs so much horsepower for the bendies when the speed limit is only 60km/h....
Do note the fact that SMRT buses also speed at non highway places. The SBST buses are not in tight schedule, so they keep up to around 50 - 60km/h on the normal roads.
For the highways, SBST will only run at 70km/h, whereas you'll notice that SMRT speed at over 80km/h
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
Do note the fact that SMRT buses also speed at non highway places. The SBST buses are not in tight schedule, so they keep up to around 50 - 60km/h on the normal roads.
For the highways, SBST will only run at 70km/h, whereas you'll notice that SMRT speed at over 80km/h
over 80km/h? SMRT has lost the plot on this
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
All you care about is speed... that's all the shit you care about... ofcourse, its all your immaturity that speaks... Thanks for starting the flame war... I don't pin point on your stupid conclusions on bendies... but if you like it this way... be it...
I did NOT care abt speed... please don't compare 969 with 161, but rather compare 969 with 39 and see who gets to Yishun first and I can say 39 is real snail lol.
It need not be bendies who fly on 969 too; even the RIGIDS can fly, in fact they go twice the speed of the bendies. No bluff, the SL can beat 70-75km/h if he's driving a O405.
And yes, do suck up the fact that WDL feeders and intratowns can't have DDs. Not saying the same for the trunks though.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I did NOT care abt speed... please don't compare 969 with 161, but rather compare 969 with 39 and see who gets to Yishun first and I can say 39 is real snail lol.
It need not be bendies who fly on 969 too; even the RIGIDS can fly, in fact they go twice the speed of the bendies. No bluff, the SL can beat 70-75km/h if he's driving a O405.
And yes, do suck up the fact that WDL feeders and intratowns can't have DDs. Not saying the same for the trunks though.
DDs impractical for 900 901 902. maybe it would be alright for 903 since its the longest. 911 913 should stick with bendies due to the nature of the routes, maybe 912 could be a candidate for DDs
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If you want 161 to fly, you can go back in time during the early 2000s.
When 161 had a fleet of only 9, with a frequency of 20 minutes.
And when the scheduling was so tight that it took a VSO to be stopped by traffic police on the highway before they did something about speeding.
And where strange antics by 161 BCs desperate to further increase the speed included the bizarre act of putting the bus in neutral downhill. That allowed the bus to accelerate to speeds you guys can scarcely believe.
To what end?
The 161 back then was unreliable, SD dominated fleet, and speeding everywhere the bus went.
Is that what you guys want?
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
DDs impractical for 900 901 902. maybe it would be alright for 903 since its the longest. 911 913 should stick with bendies due to the nature of the routes, maybe 912 could be a candidate for DDs
903 should be alright for DDs actually. 900, 911, 912 and 913 are impractical for DDs while 901 and 902 can use it. However, 901 and 902's commuters are also mostly short-haul, like 912 and 913.
For YIS, 800, 804, 811, 812 are impractical while 806 is DD-friendly. 806's commuters are mostly long haul, but it uses bendies due to fast alighting at Yishun MRT, as seen in TIB1218R's video. It took only one minute for all the pax to clear.
CCK on the other hand, 302 is something like 912 and 913, so no DD. 307 is due to CCK St 62 and Teck Whye Lane so no DD, and 300 might not get DDs due to either CCK Ave 2 or the CCK Ave 5 roundabout.
If SMRT gets DDs, put it on 190 and 106, and probably only on 903. 188, 851, 854 and 963 can use DDs while 169 and 969 can still stick with bendies.
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Back to topic, the slowest SBST services in my opinion are 23, 39, 72, 81, and 161.
While the fastest one is 168.
The slowest SMRT service might be 858 while the fastest ones are 169, 961(scheduling issues, unpredictable frequency at times, not enough buses and overkill route), 965 and 969.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
If you want 161 to fly, you can go back in time during the early 2000s.
When 161 had a fleet of only 9, with a frequency of 20 minutes.
And when the scheduling was so tight that it took a VSO to be stopped by traffic police on the highway before they did something about speeding.
And where strange antics by 161 BCs desperate to further increase the speed included the bizarre act of putting the bus in neutral downhill. That allowed the bus to accelerate to speeds you guys can scarcely believe.
To what end?
The 161 back then was unreliable, SD dominated fleet, and speeding everywhere the bus went.
Is that what you guys want?
citaro neutral on downhill is shioooook ttm. -
Originally posted by SMB3001M:
citaro neutral on downhill is shioooook ttm.=|
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Originally posted by SMB3001M:
citaro neutral on downhill is shioooook ttm.Agreed.