8 to join SMRT [1 from MTR, 4 from SAF]
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Originally posted by vicamour:
It makes sense because it is not profitable at all and viable for the company to continue holding on the losses forever, and most of all, its core business is rail, not buses. Buses should be operated by companies that can manage bus services better and has the better expertise to manage, like SBST or even KMB. Hogging it and continue to mismanage it will not only do more harm to the commuters but the company itself as well.SMRT should refocus all its resources on its rail business if there is a lot to be improved in this segment rather than wasting the money and resources on money losing segments. It doesn't give SMRT a better ground in the long run if they continue running unprofitable and unmanagable segments. The notion of SMRT being a multimodal transport operator failed and this model do not work well with SMRT way of managing its operations.
Just like any business in the corporate world, companies tend to sell off their money losing divisions to others and refocus themselves in their core and established segments instead. This is how companies, especially those with many problems, survived and emerged themselves as better players in their core business.
That's why if Mr Desmond Quek thinks of selling the unprofitable bus business from SMRT, I will support his decision as it is more promising for SMRT in the long run. It will be even better than one company controls buses and light rail, for SBST, and one for heavy rail only. for SMRT.
At least for the past decade the NEL is managed well.Look at CCL, barely a year but already so many problems. Bukit Panjang LRT is another fine example. Always breakdown for the first few years and many years.
do you even know why BPLRT always breakdown like siao until this year? its the first LRT line in SG, obv LTA/SMRT have little exp in operating them. together with a system which is complex and isnt supposed to suit our climate, of course it will breakdown often. it isnt meant to carry that huge amount of passengers.
most of the CCL's disruptions are because of a faulty power cable (design/manufacturing issues). please please find out the cause of disruption before saying that it is due to operators' inadequate maintenance.
why must SBST control any type of rail in the first place? it was supposed to be a public bus company in the first place. its the "smart" govt who wants "competition" introduced when there are little in common. SMRT was meant to be a rail company until the "smart" govt introduced "competition" for SBS.
so you see, all this stupid problems are all coming from where? 30 years back. when govt wants "competition" when there is nothing to compete.
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Originally posted by dan474:
do you even know why BPLRT always breakdown like siao until this year? its the first LRT line in SG, obv LTA/SMRT have little exp in operating them. together with a system which is complex and isnt supposed to suit our climate, of course it will breakdown often. it isnt meant to carry that huge amount of passengers.
most of the CCL's disruptions are because of a faulty power cable (design/manufacturing issues). please please find out the cause of disruption before saying that it is due to operators' inadequate maintenance.
why must SBST control any type of rail in the first place? it was supposed to be a public bus company in the first place. its the "smart" govt who wants "competition" introduced when there are little in common. SMRT was meant to be a rail company until the "smart" govt introduced "competition" for SBS.
so you see, all this stupid problems are all coming from where? 30 years back. when govt wants "competition" when there is nothing to compete.
Bukit Panjang LRT has been running since 1999. After 13 years of operations, still saying SMRT have little experience in operating? That is a very lame excuse.Please do not talk rubbish if you are not representing SMRT. You only make SMRT sound more stupid instead. If they are really serious, they will find ways to improve it, not excuses to avoid the problems. SBST also have zero experience operating LRT but why it has so much less problems since its operations?
Then for CCL, why does the company allow such a design flaw in the first place? And why the negligence in maintaining the NSEW lines where they should have anticipated that age will cause more problems and planned for preventative measures instead? What are they doing all these years? More concerned about counting profits and pay shareholders?
I agree that the govt is mainly at fault in interfering too much in the competition and creating multimodal companies is seriously a great mistake for Singapore public transport. SBS should have stayed and operate all the bus routes in Singapore, plus LRT. SMRT should have controlled all the heavy rail operations.
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eh... Even in HK, in terms of mode, it's also monopoly.. MTR takes rail, KMB takes majority of Kowloon/ NT rts, NWFB/ Citybus taking HK Island Rts... It's just the choices commuters gets that's the competition... Seriously, CCL's ops problems i.e. over tight dwell time also has to do with their own legacy of NSEWL dwell time problem... I ever wondered how come NSEWL these days got delays here n there.. All because ppl just dun care when the buzzer is up.... cos in the past, TOs always abuse it.. anyhow press... Do you see this problem on the NEL on typical days?
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Originally posted by dan474:
TSL has no operators yet... It's still under LTA...
obviously you can't even deprict what this TSL dept is all abt... SMRT may not have a planning/ devt dept on the group side, so a new dept is set up to be i/c of the tender.. -
Damn crowded today.
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actually the ideal is 1 rail, 1 bus operator with our scale... But somewhat or rather, SBST's experience on running the LRT & NEL overall seems to be much better... Somewhat or rather, an old saying of best to start new than bundled by legacy problem turns out to be true...
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Bukit Panjang LRT has been running since 1999. After 13 years of operations, still saying SMRT have little experience in operating? That is a very lame excuse.Please do not talk rubbish if you are not representing SMRT. You only make SMRT sound more stupid instead. If they are really serious, they will find ways to improve it, not excuses to avoid the problems. SBST also have zero experience operating LRT but why it has so much less problems since its operations?
Then for CCL, why does the company allow such a design flaw in the first place? And why the negligence in maintaining the NSEW lines where they should have anticipated that age will cause more problems and planned for preventative measures instead? What are they doing all these years? More concerned about counting profits and pay shareholders?
I agree that the govt is mainly at fault in interfering too much in the competition and creating multimodal companies is seriously a great mistake for Singapore public transport. SBS should have stayed and operate all the bus routes in Singapore, plus LRT. SMRT should have controlled all the heavy rail operations.
The BPLRT system isn't designed to suit Singapore's climate. Only recently after they bring in experts to study the problem and provide solutions, the LRT has become more reliable. As far as I know there isn't a major disruption this year which totally paralyses the whole system. That's why Changi Airport switched to the Mitsubishi Cyrstal Movers. They give lesser problems to operate.
What can you expect when the govt privatised the public transport companies? Of course, they will focus more on profits and pleasing shareholders, and try to cut costs here and there. NEL is already showing its cracks and SBST better to something before the cracks become worse.
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BPLRT was because of the design... it didn't want to straighten the viaduct at all.. esp at Teck Whye that side... Eh... Changi Airport's former Skytrain system is the same as BPLRT, but how come it gave less problems? They switched to Mitsubishi was because they wanted to upgrade the track n system, in lieu of T3's commencement... The profits they make, ends up most will end up kept as cash [except for SMRT, 80% divd payout rate indeed]... this cash will be needed for future needs i.e. depot new lease, MRT replacement etc...
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The NEL's recent breakdown has to do w/ the brake system, for which I believe is a feature of driverless system... Something of this was mentioned in recent year's Annual report...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
eh… Even in HK, in terms of mode, it’s also monopoly.. MTR takes rail, KMB takes majority of Kowloon/ NT rts, NWFB/ Citybus taking HK Island Rts…
It’s just the choices commuters gets that’s the competition…
Seriously, CCL’s ops problems i.e. over tight dwell time also has to do with their own legacy of NSEWL dwell time problem…
I ever wondered how come NSEWL these days got delays here n there.. All because ppl just dun care when the buzzer is up…. cos in the past, TOs always abuse it.. anyhow press…
Do you see this problem on the NEL on typical days?
But you think with out govt interfering everytime it's good? At least HK seems to be better managed, you don't see KMB or Citybus managing the rail services. Maybe LTA should just handover the NEL, DTL and SKPGLRT to SMRT and SMRT handover Yishun and Bukit Batok to SBST, just let SMRT manage those feeder/intratown routes in Woodlands, Bt Panjang or CCK and most of the basic trunk services being handed over to SBST too.
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you sure HK also no govt intervention in some aspects? HK govt wun plan things for the MTR or KMB or NWFB/ Citybus, but they still give their blessing or rejection over their plans... The red mini bus has prohibited zone also... not everywhere can ply.. Not entire 'free' as what ppl thinks to be..
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For s start SMRT only handle small scale interchanges and terminals like St Michaels,Eunos,Sembawang,Sims Place Harbourfront etc.Easy to manage no need to put so many buses in a svc(190,61,67).
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The ex-army chief should bring in some demolition experts to remove all the old relics who were busy sar-ka-ing and buliding shopping centres under the old regime.
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A lot of cronies inside SMRT..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
For s start SMRT only handle small scale interchanges and terminals like St Michaels,Eunos,Sembawang,Sims Place Harbourfront etc.Easy to manage no need to put so many buses in a svc(190,61,67).
SMRTB should only handle small scale premium bus services using BusPlus, while it refocus most of their resources improving and maintaining the rail services. As the heavy rail network to increase in future, it makes more sense for them to concentrate more heavily on rail operations, as it is costly to build, maintain and repair in the long run.Originally posted by dan474:But you think with out govt interfering everytime it's good? At least HK seems to be better managed, you don't see KMB or Citybus managing the rail services. Maybe LTA should just handover the NEL, DTL and SKPGLRT to SMRT and SMRT handover Yishun and Bukit Batok to SBST, just let SMRT manage those feeder/intratown routes in Woodlands, Bt Panjang or CCK and most of the basic trunk services being handed over to SBST too.
SMRT shouldn't even be operating buses at all. They should just concentrate on heavy rail, like the NSEW, CCL, DTL, NEL and the upcoming future lines.SBST should take over all SMRT bus services and control all the bus services in Singapore, regardless of trunk, feeder and premium services. Thus there will be no restrictions around Singapore and can provide a more seamless and systematic bus network as a whole for Singapore. It can also operate the LRT since it is of a very small scale as compared to heavy rail. However there is no need for more LRT lines in future.
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SMRT supposed to be good in rail... but suddenly under SPH, all the simple things like timetabling all gone...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
SMRT supposed to be good in rail… but suddenly under SPH, all the simple things like timetabling all gone…
Timetabling not important.
Retail space is more important.
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timetabling not important?? last train details how? what time to depart?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
timetabling not important??
last train details how? what time to depart?
What time to depart not important.
Retail space more important.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
timetabling not important??
last train details how? what time to depart?
Charlize joking with you only la.The SMRT disasters start under Malaysian born SPH.Under her all is about big profits for herself and shareholders sacrificing both rail and buses system.Did you'll know how many flashy cars she owned?
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dont feel too comfortable with this pseudo millitarisation of SMRT but what has to be, has to be
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Originally posted by charlize:
What time to depart not important.
Retail space more important.
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But retail space very important what?
Not meh?