New SBS Transit Service 50 (Bishan - Punggol)
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
86 not affected... 163 maybe yes.Dun think 163 will be affected greatly, it still serves as an important link from Fernvale to YCK Rd industrial areas as well as Upp Thomson, and also certain parts of Sengkang which 50 doesn't ply. At most 163 might downgrade back to SD fleet if demand drops.
163M likelihood yes and most probably will be withdrawn.
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Good move to introduce this service 50 under BSEP. My mum who stays near Fernvale now got a direct service to AMK without having a need to transfer buses. Furthermore it also plies along my new BTO estate. Very beneficial.
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Service 50 could aid 88B on the loading.
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
86 not affected... 163 maybe yes.Sengkang - AMK and YCK Rd - AMK
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Sengkang - AMK and YCK Rd - AMK
Most pax taking 86 to AMK industrial (YCK Road) and YCK MRT Station... I think there's no need for 163M to have DDs... -
The thought behind the routing of svc 50 is perfect.
A lot of short trip services can be withdrawn with introduction of service 50. It has potential to become a 80% DD fleet service.
- Do not need 163M as you have svc 50 to supplement loading on svc 163
- Do not need 159A as you have svc 50 from AMK Station with same route as svc 159 till Seagate (main loading of svc 159)
- Do not need DDs on 119 anymore as you have svc 50 connecting Sengkang East Way HDB Houses to Sengkang MRT like 119 (main loading of 119)
- MAY not need 72A anymore. Have 116 to connect HG Ave 9 to MRT taking off load from 72A. Have svc 50 as a good alternative for ITE / AMK Ave 5 from AMK Station instead of going to YCK Station. Load on 72A will drop
- May not need 88A and 88B as svc 50 can take the additional load for ITE / Seagate from AMK Station
One service can provide relief to 5 routes. Isn't that great!!!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The thought behind the routing of svc 50 is perfect.
A lot of short trip services can be withdrawn with introduction of service 50. It has potential to become a 80% DD fleet service.
- Do not need 163M as you have svc 50 to supplement loading on svc 163
- Do not need 159A as you have svc 50 from AMK Station with same route as svc 159 till Seagate (main loading of svc 159)
- Do not need DDs on 119 anymore as you have svc 50 connecting Sengkang East Way HDB Houses to Sengkang MRT like 119 (main loading of 119)
- MAY not need 72A anymore. Have 116 to connect HG Ave 9 to MRT taking off load from 72A. Have svc 50 as a good alternative for ITE / AMK Ave 5 from AMK Station instead of going to YCK Station. Load on 72A will drop
- May not need 88A and 88B as svc 50 can take the additional load for ITE / Seagate from AMK Station
One service can provide relief to 5 routes. Isn't that great!!!
Wrights deployed on the 1st day of svc
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svc 50 will not affect loading on svc 86. Main loading for 86 is part of YCK road to YCK Mrt where svc 50 doesn't ply. Also Jalan Kayu and Seletar Camp where svc 50 is not there.
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svc 50 will take off some load from svc 163 from Sengkang to YCK road, but after touching YCK road, the routes are very different of both the services. The two services never meet after this. Hence, those working at YCK road industrial estate will still take svc 163. I believe 163 will continue to have 4 DDs. The DD on 163M will be removed.
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My 2 cents worth of analysis for Service 50:
86, 159 : Sengkang to AMK MRT will be a rapid route on Service 50. Probably will take some load off 86 and 159.
86's main demand is between sengkang to YCK MRT, as well as the industrial companies along YCK road, if 50 brings passengers faster to AMK MRT, demand for 86 will drop significantly. 159 as well.
163/163M: I dont think demand for 163 will be affected alot, as Fernvale definitely needs more bus services. And, 50 only duplicate a small part of 163's route, main loading of 163 will not really be affected. Serves as an important link from Sengkang to YCK Road(industrial areas,where the highest demand lies on 163), as well as Upper Thomson Road and TPY, hence 4-5 DDs for 163 will still stay. As for 163M, i think it should be removed/withdrawn and these buses to be put into 163 to improve frequency.
88/156: Sengkang/Punggol areas to Bishan. I believe 50 will take a big load of passengers from 88/156.
85/372: Anchorvale? Hmm.
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Originally posted by SBST163:
My 2 cents worth of analysis for Service 50:
86, 159 : Sengkang to AMK MRT will be a rapid route on Service 50. Probably will take some load off 86 and 159.
86's main demand is between sengkang to YCK MRT, as well as the industrial companies along YCK road, if 50 brings passengers faster to AMK MRT, demand for 86 will drop significantly. 159 as well.
163/163M: I dont think demand for 163 will be affected alot, as Fernvale definitely needs more bus services. And, 50 only duplicate a small part of 163's route, main loading of 163 will not really be affected. Serves as an important link from Sengkang to YCK Road(industrial areas,where the highest demand lies on 163), as well as Upper Thomson Road and TPY, hence 4-5 DDs for 163 will still stay. As for 163M, i think it should be removed/withdrawn and these buses to be put into 163 to improve frequency.
88/156: Sengkang/Punggol areas to Bishan. I believe 50 will take a big load of passengers from 88/156.
85/372: Anchorvale? Hmm.
I don't think it will affect loading on svc 86. There is hardly anyone traveling AMK to Jalan Kayu. It is mostly from YCK MRT to Jalan Kayu / YCK Road.
Also 86 from YCK to Jalan Kayu will be faster than 50 from AMK to Jalan Kayu.
Agree. It will affect loading on 372. But then 372 did need fleet addition.
Will not affect svc 85.
156 - how? 88 - ofcourse, will take some load - and much needed to provide one more service than just 88.
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Which will go to 50?
BSEP WEG 2 (Reg on 031212)
SBS3313D
SBS3315Z
SBS3317T
SBS3319M
SBS3320H
SBS3321E
SBS3322C
SBS3323A
SBS3324Y
SBS3325U
SBS3326S
SBS3327P
SBS3328L
SBS3329J
BSEP Citaro O530 (Reg on 031212)
SBS6329P
SBS6330J
SBS6331G
SBS6332D
SBS6333B
SBS6334Z
SBS6335X
SBS6336T
SBS6337R
SBS6338M
SBS6339K
SBS6340E
SBS6341C -
Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Which will go to 50?
BSEP WEG 2 (Reg on 031212)
SBS3313D
SBS3315Z
SBS3317T
SBS3319M
SBS3320H
SBS3321E
SBS3322C
SBS3323A
SBS3324Y
SBS3325U
SBS3326S
SBS3327P
SBS3328L
SBS3329J
BSEP Citaro O530 (Reg on 031212)
SBS6329P
SBS6330J
SBS6331G
SBS6332D
SBS6333B
SBS6334Z
SBS6335X
SBS6336T
SBS6337R
SBS6338M
SBS6339K
SBS6340E
SBS6341CI guess svc 50 will get 14 buses. 7 Wrights, 7 Citaros. 50% DD fleet from day 1.
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BSEP Citaro O530 (Reg on 031212)
SBS6329P
SBS6330J
SBS6331G
SBS6332D
SBS6333B
SBS6334Z
SBS6335X
SBS6336T
SBS6337R
SBS6338M
SBS6339K
SBS6340E
SBS6341CThis marks the completion of registration of all the 300 Batch 1 Citaros, am I right to say that?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I don't think it will affect loading on svc 86. There is hardly anyone traveling AMK to Jalan Kayu. It is mostly from YCK MRT to Jalan Kayu / YCK Road.
Also 86 from YCK to Jalan Kayu will be faster than 50 from AMK to Jalan Kayu.
Agree. It will affect loading on 372. But then 372 did need fleet addition.
Will not affect svc 85.
156 - how? 88 - ofcourse, will take some load - and much needed to provide one more service than just 88.
I don't think it will affect loading on svc 86. There is hardly anyone traveling AMK to Jalan Kayu. It is mostly from YCK MRT to Jalan Kayu / YCK Road. - Demand has shifted. There was even once a KUB skipped practically the whole of Ave 6 including YCK MRT bus stop on a weekday at 1.30pm towards Sengkang, leaving more than 10 pax stranded. On another occasion, a VO3x was filled to the brim on another weekday at 12.25pm leaving YCK MRT towards AMK Int. Peak hours might be better given all the S shifts added along with the boom in ridership, but off-peak demand might become mismatched if capacity provision is not adequate.
During peak hours, it might cannibalise pax from 70 (to/from Serangoon), 72 (to/from YCK), 88 (Bishan to/from AMK Ave 5), 128, 163 (to/from Sengkang) & 159 (to/from AMK Ave 5). Main users will still be ITE College East in the middle of this route.
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To Jln Kayu via NSL should mostly be via YCK Stn.. AMK is just terminating pt
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Originally posted by SBS8676Z:
This marks the completion of registration of all the 300 Batch 1 Citaros, am I right to say that?
Should be the case, but if SBS6169J is still in C&C, means more than 300 Citaros...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
To Jln Kayu via NSL should mostly be via YCK Stn..
AMK is just terminating pt
Yes agree. I am not sure if loading between YCK Stn and AMK MRT would be high. Many parallel services, especially from SMRT.
AMK is just the terminating point. IF YCK had an interchange, 86 would have started from there, but the terminal is too small to accommodate any more services.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Yes agree. I am not sure if loading between YCK Stn and AMK MRT would be high. Many parallel services, especially from SMRT.
AMK is just the terminating point. IF YCK had an interchange, 86 would have started from there, but the terminal is too small to accommodate any more services.
Is it time for YCK to have an interchange then? :P
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I guess svc 50 will get 14 buses. 7 Wrights, 7 Citaros. 50% DD fleet from day 1.
dont think just 7 citaros should be more.
If it have DDs dont think it will have any more than 2 on the first day because it is a sunday..
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Should be the case, but if SBS6169J is still in C&C, means more than 300 Citaros...
So SBS Transit should have purchased some more Citaros before the mass order of 2012...
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Originally posted by SBS6301T:
dont think just 7 citaros should be more.
If it have DDs dont think it will have any more than 2 on the first day because it is a sunday..
Overall, I think 14 buses will be required for this route. 50% will be DD fleet during week days.
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Too early to put DDs.At least they need a month to revised fleets and time run.Cannot suka2 based on routing only.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Too early to put DDs.At least they need a month to revised fleets and time run.Cannot suka2 based on routing only.
this was what i meant by at most 2 DDs
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Originally posted by SBST163:
My 2 cents worth of analysis for Service 50:
86, 159 : Sengkang to AMK MRT will be a rapid route on Service 50. Probably will take some load off 86 and 159.
86's main demand is between sengkang to YCK MRT, as well as the industrial companies along YCK road, if 50 brings passengers faster to AMK MRT, demand for 86 will drop significantly. 159 as well.
163/163M: I dont think demand for 163 will be affected alot, as Fernvale definitely needs more bus services. And, 50 only duplicate a small part of 163's route, main loading of 163 will not really be affected. Serves as an important link from Sengkang to YCK Road(industrial areas,where the highest demand lies on 163), as well as Upper Thomson Road and TPY, hence 4-5 DDs for 163 will still stay. As for 163M, i think it should be removed/withdrawn and these buses to be put into 163 to improve frequency.
88/156: Sengkang/Punggol areas to Bishan. I believe 50 will take a big load of passengers from 88/156.
85/372: Anchorvale? Hmm.
But at the end of the day, SBST still can't do anything to the svcs above, because this svc is BSEP, it is supposed to be an addition, not a replacement.
So don't worry. No buses will be taken away from these services. BSEP is here to improve frequency and introduce alternatives to commuters. By downgrading those svcs which duplicate with svc 50 you are just like taking some of the buses from the existing buses and make them show svc 50 EDS.