Tender for high-capacity buses for SMRT

• dan474

  27 Oct 12, 01:09

  Here are some of the requirements set by SMRT:

  Articulated buses
  Low floor chassis (18m)

  Min. capacity: 143 adults

  Min. cc: 10,500cc

  Min. power output: 260kW/349hp

  Min. max torque: 1850N @ 1100rpm (might have an error here)

  Double deckers
  Low floor chassis (12m)

  Min. capacity: 131 adults

  Min. cc: 10,500cc

  Min. power output: 213kW/285hp

  Min. max torque: 1200Nm @ 1200rpm

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  EDS
  - LAWO
  - Mobitec
  - Hanover
  - Gorba

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  Aircon
  - Denso
  - Sutrak
  - Hispacold
  - Konvekta

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  Door system
  - Masats
  - SMC Transit
  - Ventura

• vicamour

  27 Oct 12, 01:19

  Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

  If the order is big enough, anything is possible.  All variants of the K-UA, K-UB and K-UD use the same DC9 engine, so any power output desired is of course possible.  It would therefore be perfectly possible to purchase a fleet of K360UBs for example.

  
  If Scania can offer a K360UD double decker, then SMRTB should seriously consider it. Maybe it can be bodied by Gemilang but different design from SBST K310UD.

• carbikebus

  27 Oct 12, 15:54

  Citaros is good provided they using the new 10.500cc engine not the 6.700cc engine.No need waste money buy CBU buses,Buy Scania KUD 3axles with 360hp/1600nm option is more than good.For single deckers they got no horsepower requirement.

• SMB228X

  27 Oct 12, 21:20

  If SMRT buy Scania KUD will be Gemilang body same as SBS design!!! Should buy Euro VI Citaro not creepy Scania!!!

• dan474

  27 Oct 12, 21:30

  Originally posted by SMB228X:

  If SMRT buy Scania KUD will be Gemilang body same as SBS design!!! Should buy Euro VI Citaro not creepy Scania!!!

  No Citaro. The design at the rear is dangerous and can cause people to fall.

• Powered_By_CNG

  28 Oct 12, 21:42

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  Citaros is good provided they using the new 10.500cc engine not the 6.700cc engine.No need waste money buy CBU buses,Buy Scania KUD 3axles with 360hp/1600nm option is more than good.For single deckers they got no horsepower requirement.

  SMRT have specified EURO V, so the Citaro G for this emissions standard will come with the OM 457 hLA engine (12-litre) with either 299 PS and 1250 Nm or 354 PS and 1600 Nm.

• Powered_By_CNG

  28 Oct 12, 21:43

  Originally posted by dan474:

  No Citaro. The design at the rear is dangerous and can cause people to fall.

  Do you have conclusive documented evidence of this?  If not, why are you spreading such dribble on public forums?

• SMB66X

  28 Oct 12, 21:47

  How about Volvo? If SMRT die die really need buy DDs, I "insist" that they purchase Volvo ones..

• Gus.chong

  28 Oct 12, 22:10

  Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

  Do you have conclusive documented evidence of this?  If not, why are you spreading such dribble on public forums?

  I think he is referring to the last row of seats.

• Jason Lim WD

  28 Oct 12, 23:06

  Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

  Do you have conclusive documented evidence of this?  If not, why are you spreading such dribble on public forums?

  
  I wish to see his evidences too - from what i remember the Citaro's step at the second last row of seats has a "No standing on steps". Then again, there will be people who chooses to stand at the step.
  
  To claim "The design at the rear is dangerous and can cause people to fall.", it is a very big claim as not only SBS Transit & SMRT Buses operates Citaros, there are various countries having Citaro buses as part of their bus fleet.

• Jason Lim WD

  28 Oct 12, 23:14

  Originally posted by dan474:

  It costs a bomb to buy hybrid buses and cost even more to maintain them. Our govt is not supporting the use of hybrid buses unlike countries like Australia, Germany. 

  
  Can i have the link(s) to the relevant government sources/websites regarding this "(SG) govt is not supporting the use of hybrid buses ?

• SBS2601D

  28 Oct 12, 23:21

  Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

  Do you have conclusive documented evidence of this?  If not, why are you spreading such dribble on public forums?

  Because that's what many here have been doing and the tradition just kept up.

• TIB868X

  29 Oct 12, 00:17

  Originally posted by dan474:

  No Citaro. The design at the rear is dangerous and can cause people to fall.

  It is equally likely someone would fall while standing there (ignoring the No Standing sign) as someone would fall near the steps of a low entry bus. But the space is so small and narrow, it is extremely unlikely one would stand there.

• SMB228X

  29 Oct 12, 08:12

  Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

  Do you have conclusive documented evidence of this?  If not, why are you spreading such dribble on public forums?

  See!!!! So this proof Citaros are safest buses in Singapore!!! So SMRT should buy 300 Euro VI Citaros n Citaro Gs!!! Most safest n most comfortable n most prestige for SMRT!!

• SBS6305H

  29 Oct 12, 09:19

  Originally posted by SMB228X:

  See!!!! So this proof Citaros are safest buses in Singapore!!! So SMRT should buy 300 Euro VI Citaros n Citaro Gs!!! Most safest n most comfortable n most prestige for SMRT!!

  But SMB136C Ezlink card reader drop!!! Even more dangerous than those creepy scanias!!! Scrap all the citaros NOW!!!! 
  
  jus being sacarcastic

• TIB 501 D

  29 Oct 12, 18:35

  Originally posted by SMB228X:

  See!!!! So this proof Citaros are safest buses in Singapore!!! So SMRT should buy 300 Euro VI Citaros n Citaro Gs!!! Most safest n most comfortable n most prestige for SMRT!!

  But later peak hour people complain!!! Citaro got narrow aisle!!! How to meet passenger demand u tell me!!! Citaro G expensive so must get MAN NG363F A24 instead!!! What kind of bullshit are you saying!!! Huh!!!

  "I don't give a damn about what the clone is trying to convey..."

• Powered_By_CNG

  30 Oct 12, 22:39

  Originally posted by TIB 501 D:

  But later peak hour people complain!!! Citaro got narrow aisle!!! How to meet passenger demand u tell me!!! Citaro G expensive so must get MAN NG363F A24 instead!!! What kind of bullshit are you saying!!! Huh!!!

  Interior spec of the Citaro is customisable depending on operator preferences.  The width of the central aisle is limited by the amount of space between the wheelarches - a constant between all manufacturers.  Regarding prices, there is more to TCO than the purchasing price of the vehicles.

• dan474

  30 Oct 12, 22:51

  Originally posted by Jason Lim WD:

  
  Can i have the link(s) to the relevant government sources/websites regarding this "(SG) govt is not supporting the use of hybrid buses ?

  Not supporting the use as in giving rebates for operators eg. using CNG buses.

• dan474

  30 Oct 12, 22:53

  Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

  Interior spec of the Citaro is customisable depending on operator preferences.  The width of the central aisle is limited by the amount of space between the wheelarches - a constant between all manufacturers.  Regarding prices, there is more to TCO than the purchasing price of the vehicles.

  the MAN's aisle seems a bit wider... but the rear seating configuration is surely much better than the Citaros. even floor unlike the Citaros