Tender for high-capacity buses for SMRT
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By right, I don't see much issue now. Jams and jams, common daily. If it's an eye sore to you, go stay in Pulau Ubin
If bendy is still purchased, then let it be. No point stating examples. Unless this example have a bigger effect, LTA won't do anything for sure. And you should understand Singapore govt., when there's something happen to them, and it's important, they will then start looking to it. If you're unhappy, simple then;Migrate.
Infact, most of the SMRT route are more to bendy-friendly instead of double deck that solve the frequency. Whatever it is, Singapore can never have a day without jams.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
By right, I don't see much issue now. Jams and jams, common daily. If it's an eye sore to you, go stay in Pulau Ubin
If bendy is still purchased, then let it be. No point stating examples. Unless this example have a bigger effect, LTA won't do anything for sure. And you should understand Singapore govt., when there's something happen to them, and it's important, they will then start looking to it. If you're unhappy, simple then;Migrate.
Infact, most of the SMRT route are more to bendy-friendly instead of double deck that solve the frequency. Whatever it is, Singapore can never have a day without jams.
Only a handful of services are not DD friendly. But they can be improved with better frequencies, especially now the govt wants to put in more buses for better frequencies.
They are planning for the future, by putting more buses and more services. Certainly some things needs to be sacrificed (like bendies), years down the roads when more jams are expected with more buses. LTA can't stop all the jams, but at least they want to reduce it, at least they prove that putting more buses on the roads still proves to be efficient choice over MRT. If not, then why add more buses when the service efficiency never improves? Then in the end how, public complain, waste so much money put more buses on the roads but still buses jam. How government going to explain? This is going to be a snowball effect in future. If they don't evaluate and look into these problems now, then when?
One more thing to add on, the government is also looking into HK model in operating public transport. Our population demographics is almost the same as theirs. Won't be surprised if we decide to go almost full DD fleet like KMB and CityBus in the next decade.
If LTA is not concerned about traffic jams, then why implement ERP and COE in the first place? Then might as well remove ERPs and COEs and let everyone drive and everyday jam for 2 to 3 hours during peak hours. How is that?
You don't even know what the LTA wants and set up for initally.
Originally posted by SBS8501U:Bendies are important on certain circumstances, just that we don't realise. Totally biased for you to think of removing them at once.
Let me emphasize again since I made my point before.
I am not all to remove all bendies immediately but gradually replace them batch by batch with ADDs once the lifespan of the existing bendies are up and to be scrapped batch by batch. Of course it is a waste to scrap all of them immediately now when some of them still have 5 to 7 years to go. That is the time enough that we are slowly moving to meet the increasing needs based on more population in future and yet more efficient and less jam prone capacity to cater this gradual increasing demand.
Don't forget DTL. Those Northwest services might not even need bendies in future.
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I've got a weird feeling sbst275 involved in the COI too.
Youll need to calm down for God Damm sake,Peace out from your uncle
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Originally posted by negotiable:
i wonder if u all still rmb that i say bef there is at least 2 pc of evidence that bendy may stay
heehee ^_^
What are the 2 evidences?
Whatever the arguement is over here, the root of the problem still lies with the management of SMRTB. It is due to their incompetency and heck care attitude that caused such chaos and major service standard dip over so many years. Their maintanance levels continues to be substandard regardless it is a single decker or bendy bus, although you see that bendy buses are worse off in maintanace.
If SMRTB can't handle their bus services well due to extensive use of bendy buses, then either they stop using bendy buses because of their way of planning or SMRTB should just close down and let SBST or another bus operator take over.
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
I am not all to remove all bendies immediately but gradually replace them batch by batch with ADDs oncYou got what I mean wrong. Here, I mean to continue using WAB bendies for the rest of the years.e the lifespan of the existing bendies are up and to be scrapped batch by batch. Of course it is a waste to scrap all of them immediately now when some of them still have 5 to 7 years to go. That is the time enough that we are slowly moving to meet the increasing needs based on more population in future and yet more efficient and less jam prone capacity to cater this gradual increasing demand.
You got what I mean wrong. Here, I mean to continue using WAB bendies for the rest of the years.
Originally posted by SBS 1000U:Don't forget DTL. Those Northwest services might not even need bendies in future.
Time will tell but please don't make false assumptions. Furthermore, bendies continue to play an essential role such as 67, 190 and 960, and routes which trains do not cover.
You realise why I keep my lines short. I dun feel like repeating too much, and you are getting biased against bendies.
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61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD
77-anti DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD
173-anti DD
176-anti DD
177-anti DD
178-anti DD
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD
926-anti DD
927-anti DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD
962-short distance route
963-anti DD
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD
975-anti DD
980-anti DD
985-anti DD
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD
77-anti DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD
173-anti DD
176-anti DD
177-anti DD
178-anti DD
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD
926-anti DD
927-anti DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD
962-short distance route
963-anti DD
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD
975-anti DD
980-anti DD
985-anti DD
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
It's based on the analysis of height limits. Not by false assumptions. (You know who I'm directing to...
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD
77-anti DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD
173-anti DD
176-anti DD
177-anti DD
178-anti DD
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD
926-anti DD
927-anti DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD
962-short distance route
963-anti DD
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD
975-anti DD
980-anti DD
985-anti DD
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
And for those thinking of full single-rigid fleets for those with a lot of bendies and with DD restrictions, better think again. It's not a practical move. (You should know who I'm directing to as well...
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD
77-anti DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD
173-anti DD
176-anti DD
177-anti DD
178-anti DD
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD
926-anti DD
927-anti DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD
962-short distance route
963-anti DD
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD
975-anti DD
980-anti DD
985-anti DD
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
See!!! So is better SMRT buy 300 Euro VI Citaros n Citaro Gs!!!!
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61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
77-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
173-anti DD why???
176-anti DD
177-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
178-anti DD why???
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD why???
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD do not need DD. Even today hardly any bendies are deployed on this route. Parallel to DTL in future, can be withhdrawn
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD not bendy friendly either
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD do not need DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
926-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
927-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD do not need bendy / DD (no bendy existing route either)
962-short distance route
963-anti DD why???
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD why???
975-anti DD why???
980-anti DD why???
985-anti DD why???
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
You need to give reasons for the non-obvious ones. Let me see how many of the above have genuine reasons. Also, most of the anti-DD routes, do not have bendies today on them, and definitely do not need DDs.
And you say... biased!!!
Well TIB 501D - You created a new account and you validate your own posts. I have observed this again and again. Such a sham!!!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
77-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
173-anti DD why???
176-anti DD
177-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
178-anti DD why???
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD why???
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD do not need DD. Even today hardly any bendies are deployed on this route. Parallel to DTL in future, can be withhdrawn
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD not bendy friendly either
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD do not need DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
926-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
927-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD do not need bendy / DD (no bendy existing route either)
962-short distance route
963-anti DD why???
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD why???
975-anti DD why???
980-anti DD why???
985-anti DD why???
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
You need to give reasons for the non-obvious ones. Let me see how many of the above have genuine reasons. Also, most of the anti-DD routes, do not have bendies today on them, and definitely do not need DDs.
And you say... biased!!!
Well TIB 501D - You created a new account and you validate your own posts. I have observed this again and again. Such a sham!!!
Very obvious what...For DD, A lot low tree branches...For bendy, those u-turns..
172 need bendies...A lot of NS men taking this service...Go take this service..
173 - tight turns and low tree branches
700 - loading for now still high, recently got BSEP fleet add...
858 - bendy managed to get out of Airport...
925 - u-turn near Kranji Dam....Demand for this service still high
975 - obvious.....low tree branches around LCK Road and u-turn at LCK terminal
Since when TIB501D create new account? Bus Anal should take more SMRT services... -
Which part if 172 routes cannot use DD besides 67/77/171/960?Low branches not an issue cause NEA and LTA can play a part.I understand low height cannot use DD.
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SMRT should retain bendies for their feeders which has served them very well for many years. SMRT should get double deckers for their trunk services which don't have any height limits. Retain bendies for trunk services which have height limits like 67(?). For svc like 67 or 169 maybe can mix DD and bendy because not all commuters are long-haul ones and may just want to alight after a few stops, making them unwilling to go upstairs. for trunk-feeder hybrid like 962 or 859, i think its best stick with bendy
wow you guys are busting your nuts over this. if smrt operate bendy, so be it. if smrt gets dds, good for them. if smrt operates both, best of both worlds.
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
Very obvious what...For DD, A lot low tree branches...For bendy, those u-turns..
172 need bendies...A lot of NS men taking this service...Go take this service..
173 - tight turns and low tree branches
700 - loading for now still high, recently got BSEP fleet add...
858 - bendy managed to get out of Airport...
925 - u-turn near Kranji Dam....Demand for this service still high
975 - obvious.....low tree branches around LCK Road and u-turn at LCK terminal
Since when TIB501D create new account? Bus Anal should take more SMRT services...
172 do not need DD / bendy. This bus goes from Poyan Court all the way to Choa Chu Kang. All lim chu kang routes do not even need a proper DD unless 190 extended to Lim Chu Kang. -
SMRT will buy 150 Enviro500 and 200 Enviro400 for compensation! 970 don't need DD after TSL and 700 don't need DD after DTL2. 67 will have to migrate to Enviro500 DD. The reason why 950 cannot have DD / bendy is because: Woodlands Checkpoint. Later if bus crashed into pieces at Woodlands Checkpoint, how?
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That's where the difference of SBST and SMRT lies.
Look at 90's DDs.
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
Very obvious what...For DD, A lot low tree branches...For bendy, those u-turns..
172 need bendies...A lot of NS men taking this service...Go take this service..
173 - tight turns and low tree branches
700 - loading for now still high, recently got BSEP fleet add...
858 - bendy managed to get out of Airport...
925 - u-turn near Kranji Dam....Demand for this service still high
975 - obvious.....low tree branches around LCK Road and u-turn at LCK terminal
Since when TIB501D create new account? Bus Anal should take more SMRT services...173 - tight turns cannot do bendies either.
172 / 700 / 925 / 975 - no need la.
Anyway, it is okay. We can have both bendies and DDs for SMRT :) All happy!!
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People, let's not assume anything. All manufacturers will be in for a chance. Yes, the usual candidates such as the Mercedes-Benz Citaro G or MAN NG 323/363 A24 are the obvious choices, but others such as the Scania N 320/360 UA, Volvo B9LA, Irisbus Citelis 18, or even Chinese products are also available to whoever wants to buy them.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
77-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
173-anti DD why???
176-anti DD
177-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
178-anti DD why???
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD why???
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD do not need DD. Even today hardly any bendies are deployed on this route. Parallel to DTL in future, can be withhdrawn
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD not bendy friendly either
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD do not need DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
926-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
927-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD do not need bendy / DD (no bendy existing route either)
962-short distance route
963-anti DD why???
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD why???
975-anti DD why???
980-anti DD why???
985-anti DD why???
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
You need to give reasons for the non-obvious ones. Let me see how many of the above have genuine reasons. Also, most of the anti-DD routes, do not have bendies today on them, and definitely do not need DDs.
And you say... biased!!!
Well TIB 501D - You created a new account and you validate your own posts. I have observed this again and again. Such a sham!!!
You picked on those which he said anti-dd but not dd-friendly ones?
If you had read some of our few posts you would have realised that you have wrongly accused TIB 501 D. His clone is SMB 28 G, not me!
Read this: http://forums.sgtrains.com/member.php?action=profile&uid=613 and you know who I am. Seems like only SGTrains users know my identity...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
77-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
173-anti DD why???
176-anti DD
177-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
178-anti DD why???
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD why???
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD do not need DD. Even today hardly any bendies are deployed on this route. Parallel to DTL in future, can be withhdrawn
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD not bendy friendly either
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD do not need DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
926-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
927-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD do not need bendy / DD (no bendy existing route either)
962-short distance route
963-anti DD why???
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD why???
975-anti DD why???
980-anti DD why???
985-anti DD why???
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
You need to give reasons for the non-obvious ones. Let me see how many of the above have genuine reasons. Also, most of the anti-DD routes, do not have bendies today on them, and definitely do not need DDs.
And you say... biased!!!
Well TIB 501D - You created a new account and you validate your own posts. I have observed this again and again. Such a sham!!!
173- Hilly roads along Hillview Estate and Toh Tuck Area.
178- W'lands Rd/Upp Bt Timah Rd(branches)
184, 963- Upp Bt Timah Rd(branches)
853, 980, 985- Lor 1 Geylang sharp turn
925- W'lands Rd(branches)
926, 927- Mandai Lake Rd u turn(even kub has a hard time coping with this one).
970- Sixth Ave
975- Old CCK Rd
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
61-DD friendly
67-anti DD
75-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
77-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
106-DD friendly
167-DD friendly
169-DD friendly
171-anti DD
172-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
173-anti DD why???
176-anti DD
177-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
178-anti DD why???
180-DD friendly
184-anti DD why???
187-DD friendly
188-DD friendly
189-DD friendly
190-DD friendly
300-feeder 302-feeder 307-feeder
700-anti DD do not need DD. Even today hardly any bendies are deployed on this route. Parallel to DTL in future, can be withhdrawn
800-feeder 804-feeder 806-feeder 811-feeder 812-feeder
529/825-anti DD do not need bendy / DD
851-DD friendly
852-anti DD
853-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
854-DD friendly
855-DD friendly
856-DD friendly
857-DD friendly
858-anti DD not bendy friendly either
859-DD friendly
860-feeder
882-anti DD do not need DD
900,901,902,903,911,912,913-feeder
920,922-feeder
925-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
926-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
927-anti DD why??? and do not need bendy / DD
941,945,947-feeder
950-anti DD
960-anti DD
961-anti DD do not need bendy / DD (no bendy existing route either)
962-short distance route
963-anti DD why???
964-short distance route
965-DD friendly
966-DD friendly
969-DD friendly
970-anti DD why???
975-anti DD why???
980-anti DD why???
985-anti DD why???
A lot SMRT services anti-DD... Get the picture now? Don't be so biased against 'em... Am I right SBS8501U/TIB1138M?
You need to give reasons for the non-obvious ones. Let me see how many of the above have genuine reasons. Also, most of the anti-DD routes, do not have bendies today on them, and definitely do not need DDs.
And you say... biased!!!
Well TIB 501D - You created a new account and you validate your own posts. I have observed this again and again. Such a sham!!!
Why don't you point out those services that are DD-friendly but don't require DDs as what TIB1138M had said? Unless there is no such services at all?
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
173- Hilly roads along Hillview Estate and Toh Tuck Area.
178- W'lands Rd/Upp Bt Timah Rd(branches)
184, 963- Upp Bt Timah Rd(branches)
853, 980, 985- Lor 1 Geylang sharp turn
925- W'lands Rd(branches)
926, 927- Mandai Lake Rd u turn(even kub has a hard time coping with this one).
970- Sixth Ave
975- Old CCK Rd
I just wonder how does a bendy manage to cope with the U-turn since bendies did 927 before.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
I just wonder how does a bendy manage to cope with the U-turn since bendies did 927 before.
In what year did bendies cameo on 927?
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
In what year did bendies cameo on 927?
In April this year. TIB1118X cameoed on 927 on 6th April 2012.
TIB1214B also cameoed 927 before, not sure what's the year. -
Originally posted by Gus.chong:
In April this year. TIB1118X cameoed on 927 on 6th April 2012.
I think bendies on 927 is equivalent to bendies on 858.
It will take a long time for the bendy to turn out completely...