New Shortworking Trip Services 70B & 139A
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SBST seems to be caught with a new fancy to introduce more and more short working trips. Not bad at all.
70 B - Serenity Park (YCK Road) to Serangoon Central
139A - Toa Payoh to Kim Feat Road (Whompoa)
I think it is smart because these are the super high loading area for both the routes. My question is what happens to these buses after doing a 20 minute short working route when they do not go back. Do they go to rest in the depots?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
SBST seems to be caught with a new fancy to introduce more and more short working trips. Not bad at all.
70 B - Serenity Park (YCK Road) to Serangoon Central
139A - Toa Payoh to Kim Feat Road (Whompoa)
I think it is smart because these are the super high loading area for both the routes. My question is what happens to these buses after doing a 20 minute short working route when they do not go back. Do they go to rest in the depots?
How is the loading on 139 itself? If it's high, what areas of the route is high loading?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
SBST seems to be caught with a new fancy to introduce more and more short working trips. Not bad at all.
70 B - Serenity Park (YCK Road) to Serangoon Central
139A - Toa Payoh to Kim Feat Road (Whompoa)
I think it is smart because these are the super high loading area for both the routes. My question is what happens to these buses after doing a 20 minute short working route when they do not go back. Do they go to rest in the depots?
They will go back and do again. Most likely alternate between 2 buses.
Bus 1 completed dr and Bus 2 will do. Bus 1 will stop at it's parent interchange.
For 43, it's Punggol.
When Bus 2 about to complete, Bus 1 will go back and do again.
But for those REALLY SHORT ones like 43A, most likely it will be the same bus over and over again and non-stop. -
Originally posted by TIB1257C:
They will go back and do again. Most likely alternate between 2 buses.
Bus 1 completed dr and Bus 2 will do. Bus 1 will stop at it's parent interchange.
For 43, it's Punggol.
When Bus 2 about to complete, Bus 1 will go back and do again.
But for those REALLY SHORT ones like 43A, most likely it will be the same bus over and over again and non-stop.Do they use S shift buses???
How about the BCs???
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
How is the loading on 139 itself? If it's high, what areas of the route is high loading?
I have used 139 DD around 7pm from Toa Payoh to River Valley. So I can give you a count on that. 139 had high loading (around 70-80 pax) till Jalan Bahagia, where at one stop around 40 ppl got down. The loading after that was reduced to 30-35 pax through the route. So I can see why 139A makes sense, and I am sure they will ply the DD for this route.
139 in morning peak on the contrary gets full at Jalan Bahagia and has high loading till Dhoby Ghaut (around 70-80 pax) after which the pax goes down to around 40 pax.
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Originally posted by TIB1257C:
They will go back and do again. Most likely alternate between 2 buses.
Bus 1 completed dr and Bus 2 will do. Bus 1 will stop at it's parent interchange.
For 43, it's Punggol.
When Bus 2 about to complete, Bus 1 will go back and do again.
But for those REALLY SHORT ones like 43A, most likely it will be the same bus over and over again and non-stop.So that would mean 43A would have a frequency of 20-25 mins if only one bus is used. Do you know which is the bus # deployed on 43A.
I suspect 70B to have 2 DDs for the route to have a frequency of 12-15mins. The main loading for 70 is between Blk 965 (one stop before Buangkok Green) to Serangoon Station. Here, if a bus stops for 2 mins at Blk 953 or Greenhaven Academy, the potential is to have a DD with 110pax
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the peak load point for 70B is likely to be at Yio Chu Kang Rd (Opp Seletar Hills Estate), and the remainder of the route to help 43.
70B helps to clear ppl at the stop above so that people further down the route can board 70 easier.
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As a resident in Seletar Hills Estate, I strongly welcome the introduction of service 70B. The amount of load from this area may not be as heavy as the densely-populated urban centres like Serangoon where it would supplement as well, but it is still significant enough for an extra service to be introduced to help supplement the frequency of service 70.
However, one key gripe with the introduction of 70B would be the time - it would be better if it were started at about 0600hrs instead.
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Heard the residents along YCK Rd just refuse to board Service 103, or that assume the journey is longer than Service 70 if they're transferring to NEL. The distance is an additional 0.2km though.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Heard the residents along YCK Rd just refuse to board Service 103, or that assume the journey is longer than Service 70 if they're transferring to NEL. The distance is an additional 0.2km though.
no wonder sv 103 is never packed... zzz crowded but not packed.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Heard the residents along YCK Rd just refuse to board Service 103, or that assume the journey is longer than Service 70 if they're transferring to NEL. The distance is an additional 0.2km though.
The problem w/ DBTF...but there's also another extreme case though...
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Originally posted by service_238:
no wonder sv 103 is never packed... zzz crowded but not packed.
Service 103 was packed when I boarded it last year (from Blk 953 onwards).
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Heard the residents along YCK Rd just refuse to board Service 103, or that assume the journey is longer than Service 70 if they're transferring to NEL. The distance is an additional 0.2km though.
True. Residents would prefer taking 70 to 103, as 103 goes via Boundary road to Upper Serangoon road, which is an additional 4 traffic lights (quite long ones) to enter the Serangoon interchange. Even otherwise, people have to get down on the opposite side and crossover which is not the best.In evening peak though, you will see a queue at Serangoon Interchange, where some people might prefer to use 103 at the interchange than wait at the stop on Serangoon Central. Even yet, I think the loading at 103 is between 50 - 70 pax during peak loading, around 30 pax otherwise.
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like 163 A, I think 139 A can operate whole day will be better. make looping from kim keat back to toa payoh like feeder bus. sometime waiting for 139 take long time.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
True. Residents would prefer taking 70 to 103, as 103 goes via Boundary road to Upper Serangoon road, which is an additional 4 traffic lights (quite long ones) to enter the Serangoon interchange. Even otherwise, people have to get down on the opposite side and crossover which is not the best.In evening peak though, you will see a queue at Serangoon Interchange, where some people might prefer to use 103 at the interchange than wait at the stop on Serangoon Central. Even yet, I think the loading at 103 is between 50 - 70 pax during peak loading, around 30 pax otherwise.
Not so if they're transferring to NEL or 107. That's why we built that additional bus stop 62189 next to Exit D.
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139A likely using 2 buses, one should be 9847R
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
like 163 A, I think 139 A can operate whole day will be better. make looping from kim keat back to toa payoh like feeder bus. sometime waiting for 139 take long time.
Not needed. In that case 139 becomes redundant. The loading for 139A is not there apart from few peak slots. It will be waste of resources. If there is a 139A, the 139 behind is ought to go empty. -
70B uses own bus. think headway for trips from shenton way during am peak got adjusted.
139A... doesnt use its own bus.
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I guess for 70, SBST will reduce the frequency at YCK Int. Now during the morning peak, a bus leaves the interchange every 05-08 mins. 2 buses might be taken out to 70B, which I think is fine considering the main loading is the route of 70B. So this way the frequency on 70 would be 09-10mins and that on Serenity - NEX route would be 05-07 mins.
If 139A uses extra buses, do you know which buses are these? Is it DD/SD?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I guess for 70, SBST will reduce the frequency at YCK Int. Now during the morning peak, a bus leaves the interchange every 05-08 mins. 2 buses might be taken out to 70B, which I think is fine considering the main loading is the route of 70B. So this way the frequency on 70 would be 09-10mins and that on Serenity - NEX route would be 05-07 mins.
If 139A uses extra buses, do you know which buses are these? Is it DD/SD?
139A uses Sv90 buses....
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
139A uses Sv90 buses....
Makes sense. Good call. Are the 2 DDs from svc 90 getting used on 139A? -
Sv 139A uses buses from 90.
Buses spotted on 139A today are : 9147C, 8723X, 8510T , 9170J. So i assume there will be 4 sv90 buses crossing over to 139A.
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Ok - so that means they are using 2 DDs from 90 and 2 SDs from 90. Smart decision. The loading at Toa Payoh Interchange to Jalan Bahagia in evening peak is easily around 60-70 pax.
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1 bus for 70B only. They cannot sacrifice anymore buses due to the southern leg that needs the buses..
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Not needed. In that case 139 becomes redundant. The loading for 139A is not there apart from few peak slots. It will be waste of resources. If there is a 139A, the 139 behind is ought to go empty.sorry it should be 163M, 139A can use two SD buses whole day as there are increasing people living there waiting for the service in Kim Feat Road. by the way 163M also a waste as I have taken it before no many people boarding the service in the afternooon using DD waste of resources. most of the time both 163M and 163 follow each other.