Originally posted by SMB128B:You're not making any sense here. Tell me why would the LTA SPECIFICALLY want to buy SBST buses? What is so outstanding bout SBST design (none btw) that makes LTA so craving for it?
What's outstanding (to LTA) is how basic SBST specifications are. Using normal plug doors, PIW Backrest without foldable seat, no announcer system, and fleet standardization. SBST has more Citaros than SMRT so LTA buys in SBST-spec. A22s are only owned by SMRT so obviously SMRT-spec.
Originally posted by sgbuses:Are you willing to pay minimum $4.10 bus fare?
The government has to heavily subsidize bus fares this year because they knew they got the fare calculation mechanism wrong. I don't think they will continue to do so when the new fare formula is ready.
Basically I think he doesn't understand what actually the govt is working towards in improving the bus services with this GCM program.
Buying their spec buses because LTA loves their specs. Seriously? It's the bulk purchase that SBST made previously with the manufacturers and since LTA wants to take over all the bus fleet, they paid for the partial fleet so they have the ownership of the assets first, then reallocate them accordingly, whether it's for SBST or not.
After reading all of his posts, he seriously need to get a life. Hate a bus because it uses a plug out door instead of sliding door? That's really very out of the context of the reality of the industry.
If you are so unhappy about the buses, then please get yourself your own car. Mod to whatever specs you want in your car. These buses are public transport, not your private transport.
Why not you contribute that million dollars to LTA to re-modify the buses you hate to the specs you like? I'm sure LTA will gladly do for you.
I'm okay with any buses but how I wish LTA change the Voith to ZF for the Citaro..Too many sudden jerk upon changing gear.And yes with led bulbs..��
Originally posted by vicamour:Basically I think he doesn't understand what actually the govt is working towards in improving the bus services with this GCM program.
Buying their spec buses because LTA loves their specs. Seriously? It's the bulk purchase that SBST made previously with the manufacturers and since LTA wants to take over all the bus fleet, they paid for the partial fleet so they have the ownership of the assets first, then reallocate them accordingly, whether it's for SBST or not.
After reading all of his posts, he seriously need to get a life. Hate a bus because it uses a plug out door instead of sliding door? That's really very out of the context of the reality of the industry.
If you are so unhappy about the buses, then please get yourself your own car. Mod to whatever specs you want in your car. These buses are public transport, not your private transport.
Why not you contribute that million dollars to LTA to re-modify the buses you hate to the specs you like? I'm sure LTA will gladly do for you.
Lets wait for Mr SMB128B to reply shall we?
Originally posted by vicamour:Basically I think he doesn't understand what actually the govt is working towards in improving the bus services with this GCM program.
Buying their spec buses because LTA loves their specs. Seriously? It's the bulk purchase that SBST made previously with the manufacturers and since LTA wants to take over all the bus fleet, they paid for the partial fleet so they have the ownership of the assets first, then reallocate them accordingly, whether it's for SBST or not.
After reading all of his posts, he seriously need to get a life. Hate a bus because it uses a plug out door instead of sliding door? That's really very out of the context of the reality of the industry.
If you are so unhappy about the buses, then please get yourself your own car. Mod to whatever specs you want in your car. These buses are public transport, not your private transport.
Why not you contribute that million dollars to LTA to re-modify the buses you hate to the specs you like? I'm sure LTA will gladly do for you.
Now what's the problem with you. The door is indeed what I find issue with and as a bus former I'm just here to talk about it. Now you wanna place a value judgement on discussion too! Keep it going dude.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Now what's the problem with you. The door is indeed what I find issue with and as a bus former I'm just here to talk about it. Now you wanna place a value judgement on discussion too! Keep it going dude.
Does a door really make so much difference?
Originally posted by vicamour:If you are so unhappy about the buses, then please get yourself your own car. Mod to whatever specs you want in your car. These buses are public transport, not your private transport.
LOL
Originally posted by vicamour:If you are so unhappy about the buses, then please get yourself your own car. Mod to whatever specs you want in your car. These buses are public transport, not your private transport.
LOL finally someone has said it
Originally posted by SMB128B:Now what's the problem with you. The door is indeed what I find issue with and as a bus former I'm just here to talk about it. Now you wanna place a value judgement on discussion too! Keep it going dude.
And when there is a 30% bus fare hike next year, I will be waiting for you to say "I would prefer at least 50 per cent – if not 100% so that every bus is SMRT-spec, has PIS and sliding plug doors" and try to defend your position against everyone else.
Let us wait for MR128B to reply shall we?
Originally posted by carbikebus:Let us wait for MR128B to reply shall we?
Haha what else do you want me to reply, everyone here has made it v clear that its pointless for me to say any more
I'm not gonna change my stance here. I think I have made it v clear alr so I'm not gonna repeat it anymore else more of these 马�炮 will ensue.
My opinion of the B9s and Citaros are not gonna change as much as you talk me into it. What I can do is just stop saying it lor if that's what make everyone happy. But ya. I still hold to my opinion. The B9 has a good chassis but have everything else done wrongly. Including that bloody ugly bodywork. The citaro is just hopeless compared to the A22.
And because of this I would still think the bus is trash. There. Cheerio! I'll stop saying all these not coz my opinion has changed, but coz I dont think this need to escalate any more.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Now what's the problem with you. The door is indeed what I find issue with and as a bus former I'm just here to talk about it. Now you wanna place a value judgement on discussion too! Keep it going dude.
Someone said here.
Does the door really make a difference? Would the commuters would even care the doors which open and close the same way like all exit doors and is safe to use?
As fare paying users for the services, they care more of when the bus is coming, the frequencies, the availability of more bus service choices, comfort/seats, availability safety and reliability. Not the bus body, not the doors. They won't want to pay more fares, for the sake of high tech complex sliding door where a cost effective plug out door can do the same job. You want it, you want to fork out that million dollars to LTA to retrofit it for all the 5,000 odd public buses here? No, the commuters are not going to pay a cent fare increase for that unnecessary feature.
European chassis and fitted with European body. Even tested to withstand topples. What more do you want? You want a bus body made out of wood and paper?
Ugly? You want those design from Tata buses? Or I give you some better solutions? Next time you persuade LTA to get buses from designer houses, can? Or even better, you design your most awesome bus design and submit to LTA? But be prepared because there will be people saying your design is ugly.
Fair enough in this hobby, everyone has their likes and dislikes about the bus models here. But buses design here are for meeting the most basic requirements for daily operations, safety, comfort, reliability and cost effectiveness. And these standards are considered higher than many countries, including those developed countries, around the world. Exterior aesthetics, I can even say for most designs here is modern and yet practical.
I don't like Citaro's lack of eyeball air con vent. I don't like the A22 because there are lesser seats than the Citaro. I don't like the Lionhead design of the A22 because it's impractical. It makes the bus heavier which consumes more fuel, it adds more cost to the bus where the costs can be saved by tens of thousands, if say that Lionhead structure from front to end costs e.g. $500. Many people dislike the green paint scheme for all the buses in future. So? Do I need to highlight all these in every thread here? It's ok if you vent your unhappiness on these small issues a few times here but what you are doing, your incessant bashings and impractical solutions are irritating people who are looking for information more useful to them through those tens of pages in the thread.
Get a new hobby, if the hobby doesn’t suit your needs, satisfy your own desires. Like I have said, get your own car. Do what you please with it.
Public transport, public buses doesn't just revolve all around you. Not for your own desires, needs only. It serves the masses. It has to look at the interests of the masses using it, the practicality, effects to the users and even non users, the costs/fares, even limitations like space, cost, resources, logistics. It's not private transport to just give you what you want only.
So if you please don't mind, don't make this hobby a joke to everyone. Many people are actually reading it even if they are not contributing anything.
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vimour, if the LTA start charging $5 per trip on basic svcs, i know who to blame. but i fear the transperth style with its notorious bus frequency. imagine paying at least $5 with 30min interval, WTH?
taros, MANs, B9s whatever, i can hate some and love some but if they are MIA, late or full, they just spoils it.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Haha what else do you want me to reply, everyone here has made it v clear that its pointless for me to say any more
I'm not gonna change my stance here. I think I have made it v clear alr so I'm not gonna repeat it anymore else more of these 马�炮 will ensue.
My opinion of the B9s and Citaros are not gonna change as much as you talk me into it. What I can do is just stop saying it lor if that's what make everyone happy. But ya. I still hold to my opinion. The B9 has a good chassis but have everything else done wrongly. Including that bloody ugly bodywork. The citaro is just hopeless compared to the A22.
And because of this I would still think the bus is trash. There. Cheerio! I'll stop saying all these not coz my opinion has changed, but coz I dont think this need to escalate any more.
Don't worry bro,Im sure some LTA peeps will read this,Next thing you know the Batch 1/2 Wrights will get A95 wing mirrors,PIS and even USB..
Originally posted by SMB145B:...
vimour, if the LTA start charging $5 per trip on basic svcs, i know who to blame. but i fear the transperth style with its notorious bus frequency. imagine paying at least $5 with 30min interval, WTH?
Sadly, that's what Singapore is precisely heading towards.
For starters, the first GCM operator comes from Transperth.
Originally posted by sgbuses:Sadly, that's what Singapore is precisely heading towards.
For starters, the first GCM operator comes from Transperth.
oh no.
Problems After Problems ...
LTA flipping prata again huh
asking for car-lite, then this BCM is asking for commuters to get a car?
Originally posted by SMB145B:oh no.
Problems After Problems ...
LTA flipping prata again huh
asking for car-lite, then this BCM is asking for commuters to get a car?
Both also generate revenue big time,Can't resist mah..Like cigarettes and liquor..Both are harmful but didnt want to ban instead raise price like mad
Originally posted by carbikebus:Both also generate revenue big time,Can't resist mah..Like cigarettes and liquor..Both are harmful but didnt want to ban instead raise price like mad
generate $$ = increase tax$
cannot generate $$ = BANNED!
not generate $ = impose tax
well 70% approved mah
Originally posted by SMB128B:Haha what else do you want me to reply, everyone here has made it v clear that its pointless for me to say any more
I'm not gonna change my stance here. I think I have made it v clear alr so I'm not gonna repeat it anymore else more of these 马�炮 will ensue.
My opinion of the B9s and Citaros are not gonna change as much as you talk me into it. What I can do is just stop saying it lor if that's what make everyone happy. But ya. I still hold to my opinion. The B9 has a good chassis but have everything else done wrongly. Including that bloody ugly bodywork. The citaro is just hopeless compared to the A22.
And because of this I would still think the bus is trash. There. Cheerio! I'll stop saying all these not coz my opinion has changed, but coz I dont think this need to escalate any more.
Commuters want buses with higher capacity so they can board the bus, not whatever sliding plug doors!
Almost everyone hates the Citaros, even everyday commuters and BCs, for many reasons. LTA should not have ordered so many of them. But does that mean that it is not a bus at all, if it still brings commuters from A to B?
Originally posted by SBS3004X:Commuters want buses with higher capacity so they can board the bus, not whatever sliding plug doors!
Almost everyone hates the Citaros, even everyday commuters and BCs, for many reasons. LTA should not have ordered so many of them. But does that mean that it is not a bus at all, if it still brings commuters from A to B?
Originally posted by SBS3004X:Commuters want buses with higher capacity so they can board the bus, not whatever sliding plug doors!
Almost everyone hates the Citaros, even everyday commuters and BCs, for many reasons. LTA should not have ordered so many of them. But does that mean that it is not a bus at all, if it still brings commuters from A to B?
Haha then might as well say Zhongtong and Sunlong makes ok buses too, since it brings commuters from A to B wat!
Originally posted by iveco:
Should have just stuck with KUBs all the way.
SBST KUB sucks la seriously..The NUS/SATS one much better
Originally posted by SMB128B:Haha then might as well say Zhongtong and Sunlong makes ok buses too, since it brings commuters from A to B wat!
Read: SMRT Rejects
Originally posted by carbikebus:SBST KUB sucks la seriously..The NUS/SATS one much better
230hp buses really cmi lah