Originally posted by sgbuses:The closest you can get is the Wright StreetDeck or Optare MetroDecker. But neither has made it to the Asia-Pacific market.
Closest but not anywhere close to being a Merc product. Its like calling a Leyland Olympian a Cummins product, when its only the engine that is Cummins. Furthermore those are fitted with the puny 5 litre engine that would be unsuitable for double deck operations here.
Originally posted by carbikebus:May i know why the A69 doesn't suit Singapore City?Even with 290hp/1100nm?
A smaller engine has to work harder to do the same job. Look at how the Citaros are struggling vs the A22s, and as such that could mean higher overall costs (fuel+maintenance) with the smaller engine.
Originally posted by SBS351M:A smaller engine has to work harder to do the same job. Look at how the Citaros are struggling vs the A22s, and as such that could mean higher overall costs (fuel+maintenance) with the smaller engine.
Puny engine does well without aircon and restrictions..I seen some Asian countries buses with puny engine still perform as good as bigger engine.Citaros not meant for aircon also unless they buy the 12 litre option
Originally posted by carbikebus:Puny engine does well without aircon and restrictions..I seen some Asian countries buses with puny engine still perform as good as bigger engine.Citaros not meant for aircon also unless they buy the 12 litre option
any idea why not suited for air con n why nvr buy 12l engine?
SMRT doesn't need useless Citaros. I hope no more Citaros go to SMRT. DDs can kick out possibly all the Citaros on 969, and displace OCs on 854 which replace Citaros on 860.
Anyway, 'SBSMRT' Citaros are fully deployed. Seems that they really need Citaros because they don't have enough DDs.
Originally posted by A Bus Observer:any idea why not suited for air con n why nvr buy 12l engine?
Coz European buses are not air-conditioned...
At least European operators of Citaro all operate non ac...
Originally posted by SBS3004X:SMRT doesn't need useless Citaros. I hope no more Citaros go to SMRT. DDs can kick out possibly all the Citaros on 969, and displace OCs on 854 which replace Citaros on 860.
Anyway, 'SBSMRT' Citaros are fully deployed. Seems that they really need Citaros because they don't have enough DDs.
The taros are not that bad, it is excessive. They are also deployed on svcs with high loadings. I think the smrt spec taro are slightly better.
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:any idea why not suited for air con n why nvr buy 12l engine?
12L (OM457) engine used in articulated version.
The 6.4L engine is also used in the CBC1725, albeit in a longitudinal configuration.
Is the shitaro order complete?
I find it very funny about the fan base of Citaro . When Smrt first introduced The Mercedes-Benz Citaro , many people on this forum express happiness and joy - oh yea oh yea . Some even saying this is the best thing Smrt brought . Until Smrt brings in MAN a22 . All just gone to MAN A22 liao . So funny . I too love the MAN A22 but I still like Citaro ( Just for the Sbs side - Smrt still MAN ) .
Originally posted by Formususeonly:I find it very funny about the fan base of Citaro . When Smrt first introduced The Mercedes-Benz Citaro , many people on this forum express happiness and joy - oh yea oh yea . Some even saying this is the best thing Smrt brought . Until Smrt brings in MAN a22 . All just gone to MAN A22 liao . So funny . I too love the MAN A22 but I still like Citaro ( Just for the Sbs side - Smrt still MAN ) .
The problem for Citaro is their small capacity 6340cc despite having a turbocharger.Its meant for European market which does not require Aircon unit which rely heavily on the engine itself.To make matter worst Operators and LTA has been detuned the 1st gear to a certain extend its so powerless to move..SBST buses is more worst,Even 2nd gear also too weak hence it got so many gearbox problem.
Originally posted by Formususeonly:I find it very funny about the fan base of Citaro . When Smrt first introduced The Mercedes-Benz Citaro , many people on this forum express happiness and joy - oh yea oh yea . Some even saying this is the best thing Smrt brought . Until Smrt brings in MAN a22 . All just gone to MAN A22 liao . So funny . I too love the MAN A22 but I still like Citaro ( Just for the Sbs side - Smrt still MAN ) .
I hate the citaro since day one..especially if it is a cold day and you're freezing your butt off inside the bus as there's no adjustable air-con vents, even my mom complains about them lol. I also find that the interior is awfully cramped not to mention the super-narrow rear aisle and uncomfortable seats. I wish SBST had mass-ordered A22 as their staple model instead but too bad, there are more than 1k of these buses.
Originally posted by Formususeonly:I find it very funny about the fan base of Citaro . When Smrt first introduced The Mercedes-Benz Citaro , many people on this forum express happiness and joy - oh yea oh yea . Some even saying this is the best thing Smrt brought . Until Smrt brings in MAN a22 . All just gone to MAN A22 liao . So funny . I too love the MAN A22 but I still like Citaro ( Just for the Sbs side - Smrt still MAN ) .
I personally liked the SMRT citaros. It is only when SBST had theirs that I absolutely hate it.
Now that I think of it, SBST always getthe shorter end of the stick for bus makes. Not to mention its abhorrent design language and progress of technology!
Not to mention I have a personal grudge against the SBSMRT taros, totally downgraded SMRT fleets and the efforts in introducing groundbreaking tech to SG e.g. sliding plug doors, powerful engine, quiet buses with low footprints.
Originally posted by Marvel68:I hate the citaro since day one..especially if it is a cold day and you're freezing your butt off inside the bus as there's no adjustable air-con vents, even my mom complains about them lol. I also find that the interior is awfully cramped not to mention the super-narrow rear aisle and uncomfortable seats. I wish SBST had mass-ordered A22 as their staple model instead but too bad, there are more than 1k of these buses.
Its contract and LTA gets huge discounts from MB.
Just retuned the gearbox and I would prefer Citaro anytime over Scania K230UB.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Not to mention I have a personal grudge against the SBSMRT taros, totally downgraded SMRT fleets and the efforts in introducing groundbreaking tech to SG e.g. sliding plug doors, powerful engine, quiet buses with low footprints.
All these new tech means money . You know operators want to spent less on bus purchasing and more on nothing . Yeah that right . They don't want to spend anything if possible . This is how business operates.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Just retuned the gearbox and I would prefer Citaro anytime over Scania K230UB.
I just can't find any love to Euro 4 Scania K230UB . Because of its LOUD radiator noise when the bus driver rev the engine . Even MAN A22 got this LOUD radiator but still it quiet down much quickly compare to Euro 4 Scania where it's still LOUD till you get off the bus . Euro 3 Scania has non of these problems because no EGR .
Originally posted by Formususeonly:All these new tech means money . You know operators want to spent less on bus purchasing and more on nothing . Yeah that right . They don't want to spend anything if possible . This is how business operates.
It is exactly this that differentiates good operators from the poor ones. SG like HK buses so much — yet SBST doesn't even have modern door config and PIS. There are NOT new tech mind you — SMRT had the doors 5 years ago, European operators even earlier.
This is NOT an excuse to let SBST get away with things since 1. Many other operators have done it before and 2. SBST is CLEARLY reluctant to act.
It's a joke thinking that there are still BRAND NEW buses using the SMC Transit doors that was also found on the VSO 10+ years ago. Cannot lock properly, slow speed, filmsy and unreliable. The entrance door is the least user-friendly when it comes to zero-step entry buses.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:It is exactly this that differentiates good operators from the poor ones. SG like HK buses so much — yet SBST doesn't even have modern door config and PIS. There are NOT new tech mind you — SMRT had the doors 5 years ago, European operators even earlier.
This is NOT an excuse to let SBST get away with things since 1. Many other operators have done it before and 2. SBST is CLEARLY reluctant to act.
It's a joke thinking that there are still BRAND NEW buses using the SMC Transit doors that was also found on the VSO 10+ years ago. Cannot lock properly, slow speed, filmsy and unreliable. The entrance door is the least user-friendly when it comes to zero-step entry buses.
And GAS follow their pattern a bit.
Originally posted by SMB128B:It is exactly this that differentiates good operators from the poor ones. SG like HK buses so much — yet SBST doesn't even have modern door config and PIS. There are NOT new tech mind you — SMRT had the doors 5 years ago, European operators even earlier.
This is NOT an excuse to let SBST get away with things since 1. Many other operators have done it before and 2. SBST is CLEARLY reluctant to act.
It's a joke thinking that there are still BRAND NEW buses using the SMC Transit doors that was also found on the VSO 10+ years ago. Cannot lock properly, slow speed, filmsy and unreliable. The entrance door is the least user-friendly when it comes to zero-step entry buses.
If I'm not wrong, the plug doors are the only pneumatic doors that would open in the absence of electricity.
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
If I'm not wrong, the plug doors are the only doors that would open in the absence of compressed air and electricity.
And how likely is that may I ask? FYI the bode doors on the taros require electricity to power the mechanism... Perhaps only the smc can one push open but ofc la the door quality so cui