2012 Q2 Bus service improvements
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
67 and 176 survived without DDs under SBS last time. 960 can do it as well. Even now 67 and 960 are using more SDs to improve the frequencies, and bendies will be useless once DTL is up.
SBS only need 3 years to build up its double decker fleet in the late 70s and early 80s. TIBS use 3 years to familiar with bendy buses. It doesn't need a long time to switch to higher capacity buses, it is just how much effort that the company wants to put in to improve the services. In our context, bendies are not practical in our high density city and highly utilised roads and public bus infrastructures.
So you think bendies are better in WRI??? Just look at the jams they have created in the alighting berths. Some of the BCs have to honk repeatedly just to tell the other bendy buses in front to clear the jam in order for their passengers to alight. Some buses are even stuck in the berth because of improper parking of the bendy buses which cause the trailer part to cause jams. And not only just the alighting berths, the boarding berths as well, long queues of buses as well, people have to walk a long way to board the bus or have to waste time for up till 5 mins before the front bendy bus left so that their bus can park and let them board.
And bendies are not better in filling up during peak hours when people don't even want to move in the other half of the bus. Many times can take up to 5 to 8 mins, plus if another bendy bus in front block the way, it takes up to 10 mins before the bus can finally move.
Talking about Yishun Northpoint bus stop, it is the worst encounter that many passengers have during morning peak, mostly because of bendy buses. Jams, long bus queues, which cause the whole bus stop lane to be clogged, messy and inefficient. Because of the space that bendy buses take up, it causes a long queue of jam all the way to Yishun 10, just because of waiting to filter into Yishun Ave 2. Then another long jam again, and have to wait all the bendy buses in front to clear off before your BC can open the doors and let you alight.
There are too many services using bendy buses along that stretch, 169, 851, 854, 856, 800, 804, 806, 812, 811, 969, which cause too much of these jams in the limited space of that bus stop during morning peak everyday. If SMRT use double dekers, it will be so much better.
Luckily 858 and 965 do not use bendy buses else
it will be a nightmare. Fast offloading, I seriously doubt so. I
have to waste more time instead waiting for the bus queues and jams
to clear before I can even alight my bus. Situations becomes worse
when it is raining or the 3rd bus door or EZlink card reader
malfunctions. And it also cause many other problems for that stretch of bus stop, where because of these long queues, some buses are stuck in the 2nd lane because they can't filter into the bus lane, causing jams to other road users behind. Another problem is that these bus queues caused by bendy buses cause the services berthed in the vertical berths in Yishun interchange to experience more jams and waiting times to exit into Yishun Ave 2 because these bendy buses blocked their exits to filter into Yishun Ave 2, which affects the time travelled for passengers in these services affected, 39, 85, 852, 853, 855, 857. Some BCs have to honk at these buses to tell them to clear off the roads.
This is just a bus stop in the suburbs.
It will be much worse in the city areas.Inside Yishun interchange, the situation is no better. Honkings and jams and queues and parking problems caused by these bendy buses. Even AC7 buses can't stand them.
If Yishun interchange can use DDs, problems can be
solved easily. I think you are just typing for fun without even knowing what actually is happening daily...
In my opinion, This kind of situations happen everywhere in the world, So live with it and stop complaining.
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Originally posted by SBS9252G:
Actually bothe have pros and cons lah..DD for people sometimes people take their own sweet time to alight lor yeah but for bendies leh faster unloading..example..Well if SMRT were to buy bendies then so be it lor....Actually there's 1 way to just have air con bus int..just install the glass doors and glass then install aircon but also expensive lah ofc..
Aye bendies for high demand services can already.
Yes there are pros and cons, But still some people still cannot accept.
These kind of things are common in our society, It's an unavoidable fact
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
Just wondering, why suddenly svcs 804 and 806 loading went high ??? Before 2004, 804 has full fleet SDs and 806 operate during Wkdays peak hour only...
you realise yishun east got more flats and non-countrymen living there cos rental is cheaper?
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
In my opinion, This kind of situations happen everywhere in the world, So live with it and stop complaining.
Sorry but this only happens in high density cities and cities like Hong Kong are avoiding such problems using more appropriate buses.Your statement of living with it seems irresponsible in solving problems of people who pay to use such inefficiencies without much effort to seriously look into improvements.
Public buses are meant to solve problems and not satisfying bus fans desires and create more problems.
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
Sorry but this only happens in high density cities and cities like Hong Kong are avoiding such problems using more appropriate buses.Your statement of living with it seems irresponsible in solving problems of people who pay to use such inefficiencies without much effort to seriously look into improvements.
Whatever your reason is, This is common in societies all around the world, and it is an unavoidable fact.
And no, SG people likes to complain and while, yet in the end live with it. So long they have their bus home they won't care so much.
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Originally posted by service_238:
you realise yishun east got more flats and non-countrymen living there cos rental is cheaper?
The sad case is that they are clearing the forest and greenery in that area just to built more flats for non Singaporeans.Originally posted by TIB783G:Whatever your reason is, This is common in societies all around, and it is an unavoidable fact.
And no, SG people likes to complain and while, yet in the end live with it. So long they have their bus home they won't care so much.
While complaining or feedback, some bothered to point out the facts and give proper appropriate solutions to solve the problem. If no one puts in the effort to solve the problem when solutions are presented to them, why force people to use the services in the first place???That's why things hardly improved for so long until so much has been protrayed in the media/internet in the recent years.
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
The sad case is that they are clearing the forest and greenery in that area just to built more flats for non Singaporeans.SBS 1000U - I am completely in sync with you on your thoughts on DDs for SMRT and the problems that bendies create especially in city area. If anyone says bendies are better on 190, they are joking or want to be rigid about their opinion as DDs are ANY day better than bendies for 190.
As a responsible citizen, I would also request not to make statements like "non-Singaporeans" as you must realize whatever Singapore is today is because of expats, tourists and non-Singaporeans, and we must appreciate it. Else it would have been any place like Indonesia and Malaysia but today Singapore has an identity and I am proud of it. Just my thoughts :)
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Live w/ it???
now now... who's tulan w/ bendy buses actually?? SMRT SLs themselves...
Alrdy saw a few times.. some dun want to wait, ppl walk up to 2nd bus and move off le... those who's still at bus stop miss the bus...
so tat's live w/ it?? Next bus arr also 2nd bus, again miss it???
living w/ things also has it's limits - it has to be reasonable to begin with.
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Originally posted by service_238:
you realise yishun east got more flats and non-countrymen living there cos rental is cheaper?
Yes, but not all of them are non-Singaporeans. There are also BTO flats under construction.
Currently, the forest beside Yishun Avenue 6 is clearing down..
The area beside Yishun Park also has been cleared Now, no more greenery in that area.. -
Originally posted by TIB783G:
Whatever your reason is, This is common in societies all around the world, and it is an unavoidable fact.
And no, SG people likes to complain and while, yet in the end live with it. So long they have their bus home they won't care so much.
Agree
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Hope that SMRT will buy Citaro Gs,MAN Lion City G or Scania Citywide Bendy
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shakes head
look at how SMRT SL reacts to being 2nd bus behind a bendy at smaller bus stops...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
shakes head
look at how SMRT SL reacts to being 2nd bus behind a bendy at smaller bus stops...
LOLz... Yes. It is frustrating even as a passenger to be behind a bendy bus coz it takes too much space at the bus stop, increasing the waiting time for the bus behind. -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
LOLz... Yes. It is frustrating even as a passenger to be behind a bendy bus coz it takes too much space at the bus stop, increasing the waiting time for the bus behind.I don't find frustrating.... So what it takes too much space? Bendies are like that what..DDs and rigids are also a trouble, people just take their own sweet time and hence if behind is a bendy bus of course it takes time.
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if SLs also get fed up, something is wrong alrdy...
Any case.. what I figured is because for svs like 190, most ppl are boarding nia... 2 alighting door is useless...
But when bus reaches CBD, 2 door is fast clearance...
somewhere sure got bottleneck one.. lol
also many here would have no taste of what it was like pre MRT era.. all the 12m buses crowding up the bus lane during peak hrs... give you bendy bus... see will cry and see traffic jam at box junction or not
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
Hope that SMRT will buy Citaro Gs,MAN Lion City G or Scania Citywide Bendy
Agree!! Citaro G and MAN Lion City G best!!! -
Originally posted by sbst275:
shakes head
look at how SMRT SL reacts to being 2nd bus behind a bendy at smaller bus stops...
Why u hate bendy TTM??? -
even SL also want to suan bendies, overtake them even at bus stop forming up... what more am I going to say...
Not ppl hate, the infrastructure dun even allow buses that's so long..
So I guess there's ppl here so willing to be played by SL overtaking at bus stops just because they cannot wait for the front bendy to move off...
Next bus also 2nd bus in formation how? Overtake again? Forever dun need to leave that bus stop alrdy.
Live w/ it... That's the beauty of bendy buses right?
Now I know why kids like bendies.. cos bus sv messy is better, got chance to take pic and bend the rules...
say somemore now I know...
Not to say days back seeing kids at MRB taking bus pic in the middle of the road w/o divider... their own live also dun want...