LTA cannot set the law by stating that new buses must be fully low floor.Low floor got less standing areas due to its narrow aisle as compared to Low entry buses like the 1st batch B9TL Wrights,CDGE,OCs,B7RLE and KUBs.The LE buses can carry an extra 10 pax during crush loadings as compared with their counterparts.So operators got less choice hence the 2nd/3rd batch Wrights,Citaros and MANs..
think LTA focuses more on the wheelchair users
Originally posted by carbikebus:LTA cannot set the law by stating that new buses must be fully low floor.Low floor got less standing areas due to its narrow aisle as compared to Low entry buses like the 1st batch B9TL Wrights,CDGE,OCs,B7RLE and KUBs.The LE buses can carry an extra 10 pax during crush loadings as compared with their counterparts.So operators got less choice hence the 2nd/3rd batch Wrights,Citaros and MANs..
Agree with you. I also feel uncomfortable near the exit door when there is not enough standing area.
Originally posted by SBS6228Y:think LTA focuses more on the wheelchair users
Welcome. But actually I believe the wheelchairs can be still used in buses with the stairs. (in the low-entry buses)
Ya,As though the PIW wanna go all d way back.LE is enough.At least 92 ppl can board compared to 75-80
at the end of the day, as long as the needs of PIW & senior citizens with difficulty in walking/climbing are met then they are happy liao.
have came across an old lady having much difficulty getting onboard a say Mark IV DM.
Low entry, people complain steps behind, fall down.
Full low floor, people complain narrow aisle.
Sometimes really don't know how to satisfy everyone.
Time has changed, if it is a requirement to buy new buses fully low floor, then just have to accept it.
Bus operators thus have to improve the frequencies or use more double deckers to ease the crowd. I don't like the idea of crash loading, as carrying to many people in the standing area isn't comfortable and safe as well.
well, that's human nature as they can never be satisfied with what they have
Low entry is dangerous a lot of people fall down on steps!!
Citaro is full low floor and the safest bus!!!
Originally posted by SBS6228Y:at the end of the day, as long as the needs of PIW & senior citizens with difficulty in walking/climbing are met then they are happy liao.
have came across an old lady having much difficulty getting onboard a say Mark IV DM.
Seriously PIW is not even affected by any model be it LE or LF.
The thing abt LF also is during peak hrs a bit of standee ppl also find it squeezy alrdy... It's equally difficult for elderly to move about
Originally posted by SMB228X:Low entry is dangerous a lot of people fall down on steps!!
Citaro is full low floor and the safest bus!!!
Full low floor??? Then where's the rear tyre axle then???
Alrdy ladies complaining about how pai seh it can be for them to sit there wearing skirt..
Originally posted by SMB228X:Low entry is dangerous a lot of people fall down on steps!!
Citaro is full low floor and the safest bus!!!
Are you sure the Citaros are full low floor? If so then how to support the back of the bus???
Originally posted by sbst275:
Full low floor??? Then where's the rear tyre axle then???Alrdy ladies complaining about how pai seh it can be for them to sit there wearing skirt..
That's why. No buses can be made full low floor at all.
Ummm... The Citaro *IS* a full low floor bus. The rear axle is of a drop-centre or "portal" type which means that the centre of the axle is lowered in order to provide space for the low floor. In contrast, the OC 500 LE has a rigid rear axle which requires a stepped bus interior. Any ramping of full low floor buses due to the mechanicals is generally negligible and the only steps that exist are immediately adjacent to the seats in the rear third of the bus..
Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:Ummm... The Citaro *IS* a full low floor bus. The rear axle is of a drop-centre or "portal" type which means that the centre of the axle is lowered in order to provide space for the low floor. In contrast, the OC 500 LE has a rigid rear axle which requires a stepped bus interior. Any ramping of full low floor buses due to the mechanicals is generally negligible and the only steps that exist are immediately adjacent to the seats in the rear third of the bus..
Look at the back of the bus. You had to walk up one step to get to the back row, is that still able to be considered as a full low floor bus?
The Citaros are known as a through low-floor bus, the aisle of the Citaro is flushed flat from the front of the bus to the back.
Originally posted by SBS6228Y:The Citaros are known as a through low-floor bus, the aisle of the Citaro is flushed flat from the front of the bus to the back.
As I said above: the only steps that exist on a full low floor bus are immediately adjacent to the seats in the rear third of the bus.
@Vicamour,It's not about unhappy but rather about the configuration on the bus itself.Although low floor buses are generally 12m but once 50 pax inside it look like you're on a 10.5m bus!I do agree LE buses are quite dangerous due to its step at the rear but again the interior look more wider.I only hope if a LF perm on heavy loading svc the freq should be more better during peak.
Originally posted by sbst275:
Full low floor??? Then where's the rear tyre axle then???Alrdy ladies complaining about how pai seh it can be for them to sit there wearing skirt..
y pai seh?
Originally posted by carbikebus:@Vicamour,It's not about unhappy but rather about the configuration on the bus itself.Although low floor buses are generally 12m but once 50 pax inside it look like you're on a 10.5m bus!I do agree LE buses are quite dangerous due to its step at the rear but again the interior look more wider.I only hope if a LF perm on heavy loading svc the freq should be more better during peak.
Wah this government rly overboard oredi... Sucking us commuters money by increasing fares and stuff JUST to get the buses they claim is "better"... When in fact we ppl dun even like it at all. Dangerous somemore!!!
Anyway, I can list down all the damn problems of LF buses here:
LF buses:
See the problems? For LE buses, only one or two say the problem is at the steps. For that, the only problem caused by the steps is when some careless idiots dun watch where they are going, trip over the steps and pokai, making a fool of themselves. This can be prevented however.
Conclusion: LTA, Don't implicate us by increasing our fares and buying more expensive LF buses. We dunnid them to make our lives btr but our lives WILL be btr without them.
P.S. I noe that SMB228X will rebutt on seeing this, so I will just make it clear: if you love Citaros so much, and wan to write in to SBST, u can, but AT LEAST tell them to get the low entry ones ok???
None of your complaints are justified in my opinion.
1. Those who are less mobile will more than likely sit closer to the front of the bus for ease of alighting and so that it is easier for them to alert the driver if they require further assistance, so the seats at the rear of the bus are not an issue.
2. With respect to peak period buses, standing room is more important than seating room, because you can fit more people onto a bus when there are more standees. More people per bus = higher efficiency of service.
3. A low floor bus is no harder to maintain than a low entry bus. There are similar constaints in relation to where equipment must be fitted, and the engines used are identical to engines found on low entry buses.
4. Regarding the rear engine creating a warmer interior environment on a bus, again, how is a low floor bus different from a low entry bus? Both have their engines mounted above the rear overhang.
Low floor buses are SAFER for the travelling public, as there is no danger of passengers tripping or falling on steps while the bus is in motion. The single step that is adjacent to the rearmost seats are unlikely to cause any problems since there are ample handholds and staunchions located at that part of the bus so that passengers can stabilise themselves if necessary. In contrast, today's low entry buses will have two or more steps leading to a very high rear platform.
Additionally, low floor buses promote a smooth passenger flow throughout the bus and are therefore unrivalled when it comes to loading and unloading times.
Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:None of your complaints are justified in my opinion.
1. Those who are less mobile will more than likely sit closer to the front of the bus for ease of alighting and so that it is easier for them to alert the driver if they require further assistance, so the seats at the rear of the bus are not an issue.
2. With respect to peak period buses, standing room is more important than seating room, because you can fit more people onto a bus when there are more standees. More people per bus = higher efficiency of service.
3. A low floor bus is no harder to maintain than a low entry bus. There are similar constaints in relation to where equipment must be fitted, and the engines used are identical to engines found on low entry buses.
4. Regarding the rear engine creating a warmer interior environment on a bus, again, how is a low floor bus different from a low entry bus? Both have their engines mounted above the rear overhang.
Low floor buses are SAFER for the travelling public, as there is no danger of passengers tripping or falling on steps while the bus is in motion. The single step that is adjacent to the rearmost seats are unlikely to cause any problems since there are ample handholds and staunchions located at that part of the bus so that passengers can stabilise themselves if necessary. In contrast, today's low entry buses will have two or more steps leading to a very high rear platform.
Additionally, low floor buses promote a smooth passenger flow throughout the bus and are therefore unrivalled when it comes to loading and unloading times.
Excuse me, but your points are totally different from our points.
Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:None of your complaints are justified in my opinion.
1. Those who are less mobile will more than likely sit closer to the front of the bus for ease of alighting and so that it is easier for them to alert the driver if they require further assistance, so the seats at the rear of the bus are not an issue.
2. With respect to peak period buses, standing room is more important than seating room, because you can fit more people onto a bus when there are more standees. More people per bus = higher efficiency of service.
3. A low floor bus is no harder to maintain than a low entry bus. There are similar constaints in relation to where equipment must be fitted, and the engines used are identical to engines found on low entry buses.
4. Regarding the rear engine creating a warmer interior environment on a bus, again, how is a low floor bus different from a low entry bus? Both have their engines mounted above the rear overhang.
Low floor buses are SAFER for the travelling public, as there is no danger of passengers tripping or falling on steps while the bus is in motion. The single step that is adjacent to the rearmost seats are unlikely to cause any problems since there are ample handholds and staunchions located at that part of the bus so that passengers can stabilise themselves if necessary. In contrast, today's low entry buses will have two or more steps leading to a very high rear platform.
Additionally, low floor buses promote a smooth passenger flow throughout the bus and are therefore unrivalled when it comes to loading and unloading times.
stfu lah u r juz biased against a LF bus kid especially reason 2 is the point i used to emphasis LE BUSES CAN FIT MORE THAN LF BUSES U BITCH. STFU AND GO LEARN UR ABC, INSTEAD OF BEING A MUDABITCH AND SPAMMING UR NONSENSE HERE. Retarded f***, there r steep steps to the side seats too, duh!
And wat if there is only ONE seat at the axle area and the person wif leg disabilities cannot sit there cause of steep steps? One very steep steps can make difficultie rather than two easy steps leh, ah boy.
And pls, the comments u commented earlier here on are all shit too, u nvr experience the feeling of taking LF buses b4. I, as a very frequent commuter of 109, can tell citaros of this kind are DEFINITELY not supposed to be on Singapore roads AT ALL, kid.