Double Deckers for SMRT
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
86 is not a DD for SK. It has DDs for Jalan Kayu and YCK Road. Please get your facts right.You wont see many people boarding 80 and 87 at SK as well - so now you will say that even they shouldn't be DDs. What reasoning!!! Makes me laugh.
Puay ah.
87 have an S-shape during morning peak. Prove to me ppl move up on 86 during peak
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Puay ah.
87 have an S-shape during morning peak. Prove to me ppl move up on 86 during peak
I repeat. DDs havent been added on 86 for Sengkang Town. There is a LRT network in parallel to 86's route. DDs are needed for Jalan Kayu / YCK Road, where you have 100+ pax in peak hours, and a full 100% full upper deck. -
I think we should organize a mass joyride for both DDs and bendies to see all their pros and cons. I take SDs, DDs and bendies often BTW...
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86 IMHO opinion still need DD except for off peak.4 is enough..
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Man, you live where I would have loved to. Bukit Merah, the home to multiple DD routes - 5, 14, 132, 147, 153, 196, 197, 198. And I guess the only bendy route there is 176 and 851.
I'll tell you what I like about joyriding on DDs. Good view from the upper deck and you can actually count the number of people alighting and boarding on every stop which I love doing to understand the loading pattern of buses. You can still do it on Citaros and KUBs but it is impossible to do it on bendies. Have tried it so many times. Also when a bendy is crowded you dont get to see a good view of the road and where you are heading.
Anyway, these are personal reasons why I like joyriding on DDs but apart from that also I feel DDs definitely have practical advantages. You should take DDs - you might soon start a DD fan page :)
BusAnalyzer I think you should be the one starting the DD fan club. You probably should be the admin over there
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I repeat. DDs havent been added on 86 for Sengkang Town. There is a LRT network in parallel to 86's route. DDs are needed for Jalan Kayu / YCK Road, where you have 100+ pax in peak hours, and a full 100% full upper deck.Sometimes during off peak 2 KUBs might not even help from YCK Ter - Bef Seletar Camp G. 75% of the pax alight at bef seletar camp G.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Double deckers carry more pax than bendies
Seating capacity: 82 to 85
Standing capacity: 50 pax
Max capacity: 130 pax but mostly 120 pax is what it is.
For bendies
Seating capacity: 57 to 60
Standing capacity: 50 pax (including the joint area)
Max capacity: 110 pax
Bendies have smaller corridors, whereas DDs (Wrights have) 2 parking spaces for wheelchairs and a big standing area. This standing area is similar to that of the joint between bendies, where there is nothing to hold and very uncomfortable to stand.
Most often bendies can carry only 100 pax.
Both in terms of comfort (seating space) and number of pax - DDs are better.
Yes bendy has one huge advantage: an extra door. But while boarding it is still one door!!!
How can you compare WAB DDs with Non-WAB bendies?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
86 is not a DD for SK. It has DDs for Jalan Kayu and YCK Road. Please get your facts right.You wont see many people boarding 80 and 87 at SK as well - so now you will say that even they shouldn't be DDs. What reasoning!!! Makes me laugh.
You also need to get your facts right. I don't think you have take 86 in the morning. Most of the pax come from Rivervale Drive and Punggol Road.
Morning DDs on 87 by the time reach Hougang Avenue 10, full already. So you telling me that the people are not from SK?
Have you seen the queue for 87 at Sengkang Int in the morning? -
Originally posted by SMB128B:
I told u 190 needs DDs rite? Talking out of topic again?
SK int ppl dun even move up... i can always take pic and show u...
SK I dont even see 50% of the 1st level being filled up, let alone the upper deck. The upper deck is always left with at least 45 seats when it depart the interchange. But if AMK, at least 65% of the 1st deck is filled up, whereas the upper deck has lesser than 20 seats available.
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
BusAnalyzer I think you should be the one starting the DD fan club. You probably should be the admin over there
!Thank you. Appreciate your comment.
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
BusAnalyzer I think you should be the one starting the DD fan club. You probably should be the admin over there
!I hope now there is no fight between the two fan clubs
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
You also need to get your facts right. I don't think you have take 86 in the morning. Most of the pax come from Rivervale Drive and Punggol Road.
Morning DDs on 87 by the time reach Hougang Avenue 10, full already. So you telling me that the people are not from SK?
Have you seen the queue for 87 at Sengkang Int in the morning?Morning: At Punggol road, there are 55 - 65 pax in the bus. The DD capacity for the bus is at Seletar Camp, Jalan Kayu, YCK Road. I know the loading pattern of 86 very well.
You are absolutely right about 87. Even 80 is already packed by the time it reaches Hougang Ave 10. Most of the loading happens on Punggol Road for both and not at the interchange. At the interchange, there are 35-40 pax loading the bus.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
86 IMHO opinion still need DD except for off peak.4 is enough..
To be honest I think the right number of DDs for 86 should be 6. 4 full day, and 2 split shift. 3 DDs deployed from each end because 86 has high loading on YCK / Jalan Kayu / Seletar at both sides and is the only route connecting with no parallel options.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Morning: At Punggol road, there are 55 - 65 pax in the bus. The DD capacity for the bus is at Seletar Camp, Jalan Kayu, YCK Road. I know the loading pattern of 86 very well.
You are absolutely right about 87. Even 80 is already packed by the time it reaches Hougang Ave 10. Most of the loading happens on Punggol Road for both and not at the interchange. At the interchange, there are 35-40 pax loading the bus.
35 - 40 pax Is a great headstart at the int already.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
35 - 40 pax Is a great headstart at the int already.
Don't eat your own words. We are talking about DDs here, not KUBs. And the topic was people moving to upper deck. Anyway, don't want to argue with you anymore. -
Woohoo 600th post
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Morning: At Punggol road, there are 55 - 65 pax in the bus. The DD capacity for the bus is at Seletar Camp, Jalan Kayu, YCK Road. I know the loading pattern of 86 very well.
You are absolutely right about 87. Even 80 is already packed by the time it reaches Hougang Ave 10. Most of the loading happens on Punggol Road for both and not at the interchange. At the interchange, there are 35-40 pax loading the bus.
You know the place where 53 plies at hougang and 87 travels there? Everytime during p hour the SDs are full and DDs are always empty.
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
You know the place where 53 plies at hougang and 87 travels there? Everytime during p hour the SDs are full and DDs are always empty.
Lor Ah Soo
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Lor Ah Soo
Somewhere near there, when 53 turn to that junction already considered tampines, but move straight down Hougang Ave 3 or 4 I think. 25, 55 and 151 also ply there
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
You know the place where 53 plies at hougang and 87 travels there? Everytime during p hour the SDs are full and DDs are always empty.
It is Tampines Road where 53 and 87 meet. I am surprised you say that 87 DDs are empty. It actually depends on the time of the day but morning peak 87 DDs are already packed when they come to Tampines Road towards Bedok.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Lor Ah Soo
From when did 87 start going to Lor Ah Soo??
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
Somewhere near there, when 53 turn to that junction already considered tampines, but move straight down Hougang Ave 3 or 4 I think. 25, 55 and 151 also ply there
I think you are talking about the junction of Tampines Road and Hougang Ave 3. 25, 55 goes straight on HG Ave 3, 151 and 87 turn to Tampines road from Hougang Ave 3 and 53 comes to Tampines road from HG ave 1.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
From when did 87 start going to Lor Ah Soo??
Near there lah =.= dun talk to me like I'm an idiot
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Near there lah =.= dun talk to me like I'm an idiot
LOL. I didnt say you are an idiot, did I?
PEACE!! :)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
It is Tampines Road where 53 and 87 meet. I am surprised you say that 87 DDs are empty. It actually depends on the time of the day but morning peak 87 DDs are already packed when they come to Tampines Road towards Bedok.
Really, the DDs are usually empty. Probably a bus the pax already. But when 1 time I played with iris, they said the bus infront is a non-WAB bus. Might be the B10Ms though, but theres also a possibility it was a VO