The sorry state of bendy buses today
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Originally posted by sbst275:
OKSuddenly you switch to bendies w/ your current depot space and layout, can you possibly park all your buses in the depot?
You need more space that's it
There will be space SBS and SMRT are getting new depots mor space!!!
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
Another drawback about SMRT hispanos and bendies and habits is they are damn noisy when they accelerate from stationary
One bendy bus beats two rigid buses in succession
less noise pollution
less carbon emission
less fuel and manpower cost
With regards to noise pollution....what is the CDGE B9TL then?
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
True..at the end of the day it's going to be LTA calling all the shots
They will only be concern about the negative impact bendies bring to the roads, etc space utilization, noise level, safety hazards
They don't care to what extent it will favour the operators
To sidetrack on the safety issue, i can still recall a scary fatal accident involving a SBS DD Sv 87 sometimes back. The passenger was instantly killed at the upper decked after the crane smashed through the window pane and hit him
9599G once hit a cherry-picker also......the fate of the guy in the gondola was a foregone conclusion.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
With regards to noise pollution....what is the CDGE B9TL then?
I think SBST should do a major overhaul for some of the CDGE B9TLs soon. Or at least install some silencer mechanisms to reduce the noise. -
The noise is a bane to the those who live next to the road.
Like I do.
For those who insist that there are KUBs that can match the noise level, I think they need to experience some of the B9TLs that can be heard 300m away.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
With regards to noise pollution....what is the CDGE B9TL then?
Huh? Are CDGE B9TLs hazards in our everyday life?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
The noise is a bane to the those who live next to the road.
Like I do.
For those who insist that there are KUBs that can match the noise level, I think they need to experience some of the B9TLs that can be heard 300m away.
KUB is noisier!! So SBS and SMRT should buy more quiet comfortable and powerful bus like Citaros and Citaro Gs!!
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Remember.
Do not feed trolls.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
The noise is a bane to the those who live next to the road.
Like I do.
For those who insist that there are KUBs that can match the noise level, I think they need to experience some of the B9TLs that can be heard 300m away.
Some KUBs are very noisy too which can be ear piercing, but that is probably due to age. That's why I say SBST needs to overhaul some of these CDGE B9TLs. -
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
The noise is a bane to the those who live next to the road.
Like I do.
For those who insist that there are KUBs that can match the noise level, I think they need to experience some of the B9TLs that can be heard 300m away.
ya..ironically even earlier batches of LO3X and VO3X and Mk4 DM3500 are quieter than the B9TL -
Originally posted by vicamour:
Some KUBs are very noisy too which can be ear piercing, but that is probably due to age. That's why I say SBST needs to overhaul some of these CDGE B9TLs.So the Scania K230UBs will be quieter in a few years time. Am I right?
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I still remember when the VSO came, I wanted to throw something out of my window at the bus.
When I got used to it......came the B9TL.
I dont deny some of the KUBs are irritating.
But the B9TL is different.
It has the ability to blow your eardrums out and can be heard as far away as from an ambulance with siren!
I dont exaggerate.
Though I find it ironic that the noisiest B9TL has a quiet interior compared to what it generates for the outside world.
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Though I find it ironic that the noisiest B9TL has a quiet interior compared to what it generates for the outside world.
Depends where u select your seat..the upper deck front seats are the quietestSame case for SD mercedes buses, be it hispano or the scrapped 0405, front portion is the quiestest
Volvo Mk 3 and 4 are opposite, the front portion is noisier than the hind portion
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
So the Scania K230UBs will be quieter in a few years time. Am I right?
Quieter, won't be. At most as quiet as when it was new, provided with the right maintance. The only pro I can point out for Scania buses is that they are quieter than other brands. Just look at the 19 year old N113CRBs. But the vibration is bad, especially the OACs. CACs still ok. Thus I can't imagine the KUBs 17 years down the road. Especially it has a less powerful engine and not so up to standard Gemilang bus body as compared to N113CRBs' Walter Alexander PS bodies. Don't sound very good but true story. -
Besides being subjected to intense vibration which is on par with SMRT's Hinos and L113s or worse.......and being a little hotter at times....the rear of the B9TL is still an ok place to be in
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Quieter, won't be. At most as quiet as when it was new, provided with the right maintance. The only pro I can point out for Scania buses is that they are quieter than other brands. Just look at the 19 year old N113CRBs. But the vibration is bad, especially the OACs. CACs still ok. Thus I can't imagine the KUBs 17 years down the road. Especially it has a less powerful engine and not so up to standard Gemilang bus body as compared to N113CRBs' Walter Alexander PS bodies. Don't sound very good but true story.Oh.
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
Depends where u select your seat..the upper deck front seats are the quietestSame case for SD mercedes buses, be it hispano or the scrapped 0405, front portion is the quiestest
Volvo Mk 3 and 4 are opposite, the front portion is noisier than the hind portion
B10Ms are mid engined buses but more towards the front, that's way. If you have taken the front engined old SBS buses in the 1980s, it will be the loudest when you sat the front seats, especially the Leyland Victories and Albion Vikings. They canbeat the hell out of your eardrums. Hahaha... -
Originally posted by vicamour:
Quieter, won't be. At most as quiet as when it was new, provided with the right maintance. The only pro I can point out for Scania buses is that they are quieter than other brands. Just look at the 19 year old N113CRBs. But the vibration is bad, especially the OACs. CACs still ok. Thus I can't imagine the KUBs 17 years down the road. Especially it has a less powerful engine and not so up to standard Gemilang bus body as compared to N113CRBs' Walter Alexander PS bodies. Don't sound very good but true story.Citaro and O405 no vibration too!!!
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Originally posted by vicamour:
B10Ms are mid engined buses but more towards the front, that's way. If you have taken the front engined old SBS buses in the 1980s, it will be the loudest when you sat the front seats, especially the Leyland Victories and Albion Vikings. They canbeat the hell out of your eardrums. Hahaha...During then i was still a kid
All i can remember is the stupid loud prolonged (2-3 seconds) farting sound made by the doors when they opened/closed..
those old days, the doors are controlled by a rotating lever (sort of resembling a T-tap)
Not forgetting the bus stopping beeps, it sounded as loud as a horn
and the buses were then manual geared
then came the auto-gear Merc Hawke and B57, doors were controlled by on/off round toggle knobs (pulled up to open doors, pushed down to close doors if i'm not wrong)
TIBS nissan diesel was surprising quiet at the front..even quieter than Volvo Mk 3
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
Citaro and O405 no vibration too!!!
who say don't have......
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Originally posted by SBS9252G:
who say don't have......
That's why I say when I boarded Citaros I can hear signs of vibration.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
That's why I say when I boarded Citaros I can hear signs of vibration.
Mainly i always take SBST buses and sometimes DD buses maybe a trouble for drivers especially if there is students playing around.. and 1 thing to you all is don't complain..Got bus then take don't complain too much when other developing countries doesn't have this. No problem for all the buses to me.. To me, it is only buses not a object or product to evaluate or compare and vibration only what nothing wrong de..
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Originally posted by SBS9252G:
Mainly i always take SBST buses and sometimes DD buses maybe a trouble for drivers especially if there is students playing around.. and 1 thing to you all is don't complain..Got bus then take don't complain too much when other developing countries doesn't have this. No problem for all the buses to me.. To me, it is only buses not a object or product to evaluate or compare and vibration only what nothing wrong de..
We cannot compare ourselves to developing countries.We are a developed country with supposedly first world infrastructures
With the first world salary paid to our transport ministers and CEOs, naturally our expectations on these infrastructures and facilities has to be first class
We are a very time-sensitive country, time is money
We expect tip-top performance by these facilities, nothing less
Any minor glitches and imperfection or even a 10 minutes train/bus delay is strictly not acceptable and intolerable in Singapore
They cannot blame us for the stringent expectations and demands placed on the transport infrastructures
They have only themselves to blame for carving out Singapore to be a first world nation with first world infrastructure and first world leadership
Pls don't compare the buses/trains in sg with that of developing countries
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Originally posted by SBS9252G:
Mainly i always take SBST buses and sometimes DD buses maybe a trouble for drivers especially if there is students playing around.. and 1 thing to you all is don't complain..Got bus then take don't complain too much when other developing countries doesn't have this. No problem for all the buses to me.. To me, it is only buses not a object or product to evaluate or compare and vibration only what nothing wrong de..
I'm replying to your posts with an example, I never do anything to complain about it.
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
If bendies are that hazardous, They should be out of our streets by now.
To us as road-users if they are deemed hazardous, So does LTA.
They wouldn't put themselves into a spot where a bus is prematured retired.. It's all because of cost...Things here is, if it's not good, it'll never be replaced.