Originally posted by Gus.chong:Huh? Are you sure a double-deck have 270 seats?
How many double-decks are you referring to? Be clear.
Didn't I alrdy made it clear w/ 36m of culmulative vehicle length?
Originally posted by sbst275:Anyway..
1135 is alrdy buang...
Whenever the bus plies through unlevel road surface or bends, the articulator would squeek and vibrate very badly...
That's the problem with the engine of only one bus...why you are going to push the blame to others?
Originally posted by SMB228X:for others. I agree with u that post about bendy
Look carefully. I did not talk mainly about double-decks that time.
Originally posted by sbst275:
Didn't I alrdy made it clear w/ 36m of culmulative vehicle length?
It's impossible to have really such a long vehicle don't you know?
SMRT will only put this high capacity buses on feeders and short routes if they decided to get WAB bendies.As for 190 960 etc they will be only few plying consider the upcoming MRT lines.Im not surprised one day 190 got only 8 perm bendies
Anyway...
Boarding chances..
Everyone is going to work to school at e same time, so to me, what's important is can you get to board even by the 2nd bus at downstream bus stops.
Pending's case wise, most should be within 1 bus yah..
It's only off peak hr that we can insist on 1st bus chance... yah? lol
Originally posted by Gus.chong:That's the problem with the engine of only one bus...why you are going to push the blame to others?
articulator is not properly maintained
Seriously, dun be brainwashed.. Vibration is sort of some signs of poor maintenance or something isn't right...
Which is why SMRT's BOI is like slowly digging a grave.. OK old claw, but it meant stricter maintenance regime to minimise vibration.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:It's impossible to have really such a long vehicle don't you know?
We do have such bus stops right?
Originally posted by SMB228X:and 195 use Citaros so Citaro G bendy still needed or just buy 800 Citaros!!
It's already very old.
Originally posted by sbst275:195 can use Citaro, what has it to do w/ Citaro G?
Eh... Where to park the bendies at night?
Anyway, notice that some bus stop bays are slowly sinking, and ironically I realise many of these places tend to have high volume of bendies plying...
Dunno why.
SBS Transit did not have the concept of overnight parking in perm statuses.
Originally posted by sbst275:
We do have such bus stops right?
Yes, but there is no double-decks with 270 seats. This is the point I'm talking about. If you stated the number of double-decks at the bus stop then everything shall be cleared.
Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:My views on bendies
Cons
From land authority point of view, it takes up too much road space, as it is equivalent to almost 3 car length
From driver’s point of view, it’s difficult and more dangerous to reverse
Pros
From operator point of view, it is more cost effective in terms of manufacturing, maintenance, refurbishing
Caters well for future installation of devices such as CCTV and broadcasting speakers
From commuters point of view, it is a boon for passengers, especially senior citizens who dread stairways and heights
It’s safer and more convenient and faster in terms of passengers offloading because there are two passage of exits.
Bendies have higher loading capacity when compared to double-deckered. This is due to the fact that double-deckered buses can only accommodate seated passengers at the upper deck.
Nevertheless, many commuters are aware that the concept of bendies is to pack as many standing passengers into the rear segment of the buses and from commuters’ perspective, they may not welcome the idea of being encouraged to stand in the buses.
Therefore, bendies are only useful for short hauled and feeder trips
Originally posted by Gus.chong:SBS Transit did not have the concept of overnight parking in perm statuses.
OK
Suddenly you switch to bendies w/ your current depot space and layout, can you possibly park all your buses in the depot?
You need more space that's it
Another drawback about SMRT hispanos and bendies and habits is they are damn noisy when they accelerate from stationary
One bendy bus beats two rigid buses in succession
less noise pollution
less carbon emission
less fuel and manpower cost
Originally posted by sbst275:
articulator is not properly maintainedSeriously, dun be brainwashed.. Vibration is sort of some signs of poor maintenance or something isn't right...
Which is why SMRT's BOI is like slowly digging a grave.. OK old claw, but it meant stricter maintenance regime to minimise vibration.
I know what I'm doing. I believe SMRT did not really care for their buses so much.
Originally posted by carbikebus:SMRT will only put this high capacity buses on feeders and short routes if they decided to get WAB bendies.As for 190 960 etc they will be only few plying consider the upcoming MRT lines.Im not surprised one day 190 got only 8 perm bendies
Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:Another drawback about SMRT hispanos and bendies and habits is they are damn noisy when they accelerate from stationary
One bendy bus beats two rigid buses in succession
less noise pollution
less carbon emission
less fuel and manpower cost
Citaro G is the most quiet bus!!
Originally posted by vicamour:
I believe that there are much more cons still not listed, especially from the operators point of view. Maintanance, space to park, etc. It also takes up too much space in the bus stops and delays the trips of other buses behind it. Bendy buses although can carry more people than a double decker, however it is only about 10 more or so. With more services coming up and current services ramming u their frequencies, there are more and more bendy buses half full but takes up twice the space than a normal bus. This is not efficient and cost effective for the bus companies and the whole bus system in the long run. Moreover not many people like to move to the back of the bendy buses as well, a problem which is the same as normal buses, only it makes thing worse with its lenght. Faster off loading they can be, but at the expense of other buses behind which are delayed instead. And it gets even more problematic if the ezlink card readers or the 3rd doors malfunction. Not to mention rainy days, people prefer to alight using the 2nd door. As for safety records, actually bendy buses have the high rate of accidents. I don't think they are safe. And most bus burnt incidents are bendy buses as well.
True..at the end of the day it's going to be LTA calling all the shots
They will only be concern about the negative impact bendies bring to the roads, etc space utilization, noise level, safety hazards
They don't care to what extent it will favour the operators
To sidetrack on the safety issue, i can still recall a scary fatal accident involving a SBS DD Sv 87 sometimes back. The passenger was instantly killed at the upper decked after the crane smashed through the window pane and hit him
Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:True..at the end of the day it's going to be LTA calling all the shots
They will only be concern about the negative impact bendies bring to the roads, etc space utilization, noise level, safety hazards
They don't care to what extent it will favour the operators
To sidetrack on the safety issue, i can still recall a scary fatal accident involving a SBS DD Sv 87 sometimes back. The passenger was instantly killed at the upper decked after the crane smashed through the window pane and hit him
The DD involved in the accident is SBS9400X on 16th July 2010. Not only the passenger was killed, the bus was unrepairable and was thus de-registered on 9 November 2011.
This post really tests the safety of the double-decks.
Originally posted by SMB228X:Citaro G is the most quiet bus!!
I boarded Citaros before and I could still hear signs of vibrations.
Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:True..at the end of the day it's going to be LTA calling all the shots
They will only be concern about the negative impact bendies bring to the roads, etc space utilization, noise level, safety hazards
They don't care to what extent it will favour the operators
To sidetrack on the safety issue, i can still recall a scary fatal accident involving a SBS DD Sv 87 sometimes back. The passenger was instantly killed at the upper decked after the crane smashed through the window pane and hit him
If bendies are that hazardous, They should be out of our streets by now.
To us as road-users if they are deemed hazardous, So does LTA.
Originally posted by sbst275:
OKSuddenly you switch to bendies w/ your current depot space and layout, can you possibly park all your buses in the depot?
You need more space that's it
Ok.
Does anyone think the concept of concurrent boarding / alighting at all three doors of the bendies will work out?
Will it succeed in shortening the dwell time of bendy buses at the bus stops? especially bus interchanges like woodlands and yishun in particular
In doing that you can maximise the use of 3 passages of entry and quicken the process of passenger loading
Of course you will need to recruit more bus attendances stationed at every door to ensure every boarding passengers tap their card
Just like how Sv160/170 are currently practising at the Woodlands custom to alleviate the incidents of bus bunching
This will almost be like the BRT or train
Originally posted by Gus.chong:The DD involved in the accident is SBS9400X in 2010. Not only the passenger was killed, the bus was unrepairable and was thus de-registered on 9 November 2011.
This post really tests the safety of the double-decks.
Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:True..at the end of the day it's going to be LTA calling all the shots
They will only be concern about the negative impact bendies bring to the roads, etc space utilization, noise level, safety hazards
They don't care to what extent it will favour the operators
To sidetrack on the safety issue, i can still recall a scary fatal accident involving a SBS DD Sv 87 sometimes back. The passenger was instantly killed at the upper decked after the crane smashed through the window pane and hit him
Originally posted by vicamour:
It is not the fault of the bus at all. Rather it is caused by a irresponsible maintanace company. But I am quite unhappy that SBST didn't repair it. Only the body structure is damaged, the chassis and engine still remains intact. And worst is that SBST needs more double deckers. But many bendy buses inflict their own flames to burn themselves down. That is one of the safety issues of bendy buses which should be concerned instead.
Oh, ok.