So just what needs to be improved?
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Since it's one of the golden opportunity to clean up the new bus mess once and for all, think can start listing out the new inefficiency problems that has begun surfacing
1) Bus speed: Actually the scheduling system is more or less 'up there', but it's always played by some drivers driving slow or fast. I remembered it took 14 mins for Sv 151 to get from Opp CJC to SAJC during off peak. Apparently it was 151 & 154 road hogging each other. The 2nd 151 bus was abt 3 mins behind, clearly lambat.
2) Routing: Some routes became played by the MRT politics like Sv 7, 23. Then some like Sv 143, by the time the Toa Payoh bus reaches Jurong East, it's not going to be able to meet with the work going crowd as it's like 8:30am alrdy?
To me, other than buses to Airport, Boon Lay or corridors w/o MRT, it shouldn't be too long.
3) Capacity/ Infrastructure: Some bus stops has to be upgraded. Some has to be overhauled.
Say the Kranji MRT Stn bus stop, can't the Opp Kranji Stn be upgraded to have proper parking bays for 170X? Of course, 1 issue is how to manage the lorry long queue during evening peak hrs.
Double decks to incr capacity in face of shortage of manpower?
4) Traffic: I guess accidents are the main cause of bus delays... More enforcement by TP as like the past w/ frequent patrols?
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OK...
Those routes that really die die ply long distance, use semi expressway for goodness sake.
Then implement some big bus stops suitable for ppl to transfer to other buses easier...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
OK...
Those routes that really die die ply long distance, use semi expressway for goodness sake.
Then implement some big bus stops suitable for ppl to transfer to other buses easier...
Yeah, like Service 518. Takes 80mins or so to get from Pasir Ris to Suntec, I take MRT can reach Suntec in half the time. The 'Express' word is like nothing much!
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Yeah, like Service 518. Takes 80mins or so to get from Pasir Ris to Suntec, I take MRT can reach Suntec in half the time. The 'Express' word is like nothing much!
518 ar...I guess they route to Pasir Ris is to ply the other part of Ave 7..
We dun have roadside terminals alrdy
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927 can withdraw liao lah, 30 mins still no bus come
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Since it's one of the golden opportunity to clean up the new bus mess once and for all, think can start listing out the new inefficiency problems that has begun surfacing
1) Bus speed: Actually the scheduling system is more or less 'up there', but it's always played by some drivers driving slow or fast. I remembered it took 14 mins for Sv 151 to get from Opp CJC to SAJC during off peak. Apparently it was 151 & 154 road hogging each other. The 2nd 151 bus was abt 3 mins behind, clearly lambat.
2) Routing: Some routes became played by the MRT politics like Sv 7, 23. Then some like Sv 143, by the time the Toa Payoh bus reaches Jurong East, it's not going to be able to meet with the work going crowd as it's like 8:30am alrdy?
To me, other than buses to Airport, Boon Lay or corridors w/o MRT, it shouldn't be too long.
3) Capacity/ Infrastructure: Some bus stops has to be upgraded. Some has to be overhauled.
Say the Kranji MRT Stn bus stop, can't the Opp Kranji Stn be upgraded to have proper parking bays for 170X? Of course, 1 issue is how to manage the lorry long queue during evening peak hrs.
Double decks to incr capacity in face of shortage of manpower?
4) Traffic: I guess accidents are the main cause of bus delays... More enforcement by TP as like the past w/ frequent patrols?
Some points to expand,
2.1 There's some feeder services that generally only have 1 way loading during any time of the day. These services can should attempt to link to 2 different mrt stations if not already done so, to share the load of other services. Such an example is 811 which started plying khatib mrt not too long ago.
2.2 As per what sbst275 has mentioned, routes should not be so long. What's the point of displaying the destination on the EDS when its not going to bring the passenger there in relatively acceptable time compared to taking a train, say <30% more?
3.1 Bus stops with more than a certain amount of services plying, should either be extended significantly or staggered as per how the two stops outside ibis hotel at bencoolen street was. This is so that when multiple buses enter the bay, no bus should have the tail sticking out of the bay onto the road.
3.2 As much as possible, feeder services should try to use stops that are not on the main road, or bus stops that are served by few trunk services. This is so that feeder services does not delay movement of trunk services, as feeders have much looser timetabling.
4 More enforcement would be good, there's a european country (which i unfortunately forgot) that installs cctv on the front of the vehicle just to capture any cars that violate the bus lanes. The footage is then reviewed by staff, and those who intruded into the bus lane given fines. This could also be done for those inconsiderate drivers who parks in the bus stop.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Some points to expand,
2.1 There's some feeder services that generally only have 1 way loading during any time of the day. These services can should attempt to link to 2 different mrt stations if not already done so, to share the load of other services. Such an example is 811 which started plying khatib mrt not too long ago.
2.2 As per what sbst275 has mentioned, routes should not be so long. What's the point of displaying the destination on the EDS when its not going to bring the passenger there in relatively acceptable time compared to taking a train, say <30% more?
3.1 Bus stops with more than a certain amount of services plying, should either be extended significantly or staggered as per how the two stops outside ibis hotel at bencoolen street was. This is so that when multiple buses enter the bay, no bus should have the tail sticking out of the bay onto the road.
3.2 As much as possible, feeder services should try to use stops that are not on the main road, or bus stops that are served by few trunk services. This is so that feeder services does not delay movement of trunk services, as feeders have much looser timetabling.
4 More enforcement would be good, there's a european country (which i unfortunately forgot) that installs cctv on the front of the vehicle just to capture any cars that violate the bus lanes. The footage is then reviewed by staff, and those who intruded into the bus lane given fines. This could also be done for those inconsiderate drivers who parks in the bus stop.
Buy Citaro Gs, put them on new feeders that serve two MRT stations.
Buy more Citaros and put them on new express sector services!
Rationalise services duplicate MRT and replace with express sector services! Use expressways!
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
Buy Citaro Gs, put them on new feeders that serve two MRT stations.
Buy more Citaros and put them on new express sector services!
Rationalise services duplicate MRT and replace with express sector services! Use expressways!
kids should not sleep so late u know? otherwise they will type nonsense like this.
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
Buy Citaro Gs, put them on new feeders that serve two MRT stations.
Buy more Citaros and put them on new express sector services!
Rationalise services duplicate MRT and replace with express sector services! Use expressways!
Plying expressway is unless you've no other roads to use like 506.Else, I'd rather use semi expressway as there can be bus - bus transfer stops made along the way.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
kids should not sleep so late u know? otherwise they will type nonsense like this.
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
Buy Citaro Gs, put them on new feeders that serve two MRT stations.
Buy more Citaros and put them on new express sector services!
Rationalise services duplicate MRT and replace with express sector services! Use expressways!
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1st of all SBST and SMRT need to shift Arbp & KJDEP to a new depot near town area.Benefit for train disruption and save time to off service from depot
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
1st of all SBST and SMRT need to shift Arbp & KJDEP to a new depot near town area.Benefit for train disruption and save time to off service from depot
Put all the Wrights and Citaros there! :D
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
Put all the Wrights and Citaros there! :D
Your logic about Wrights and Citaros need to change.....
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He's a Chinaboy
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Reminds me of it.
Driving... Need to instil the 'dun rush' mentality whenever there's a traffic jam, remain calm first.
Dun karlang karbor..
Some BC or SL have this issue.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
kids should not sleep so late u know? otherwise they will type nonsense like this.
In the past I also sleep that late, I slept at 2.30am once before!
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
Put all the Wrights and Citaros there! :D
How many buses can be placed inside a depot? You really have to build a depot that is as large as Singapore to put the buses in!!!
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I think this evening is a good example.
PIE (Changi) had an accident somewhere near Eng Neo.
Dunearn Rd was pretty smooth except at the Adam Rd & Whitley Rd flyover approach.
The bus drivers filtered out and cut in at the entrance of the grade level slip road since most of the cars are turning left to get to PIE.
Which is what I've said, accidents one of the major factor causing inefficiency to bus svs.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Since it's one of the golden opportunity to clean up the new bus mess once and for all, think can start listing out the new inefficiency problems that has begun surfacing
1) Bus speed: Actually the scheduling system is more or less 'up there', but it's always played by some drivers driving slow or fast. I remembered it took 14 mins for Sv 151 to get from Opp CJC to SAJC during off peak. Apparently it was 151 & 154 road hogging each other. The 2nd 151 bus was abt 3 mins behind, clearly lambat.
2) Routing: Some routes became played by the MRT politics like Sv 7, 23. Then some like Sv 143, by the time the Toa Payoh bus reaches Jurong East, it's not going to be able to meet with the work going crowd as it's like 8:30am alrdy?
To me, other than buses to Airport, Boon Lay or corridors w/o MRT, it shouldn't be too long.
3) Capacity/ Infrastructure: Some bus stops has to be upgraded. Some has to be overhauled.
Say the Kranji MRT Stn bus stop, can't the Opp Kranji Stn be upgraded to have proper parking bays for 170X? Of course, 1 issue is how to manage the lorry long queue during evening peak hrs.
Double decks to incr capacity in face of shortage of manpower?
4) Traffic: I guess accidents are the main cause of bus delays... More enforcement by TP as like the past w/ frequent patrols?
Maybe you should stop complaining about public transport. Since you have mentioned all these, why not withdraw 84,115,191,275,825,882? These buses have 25min freq at least. If u think scheduling buses is easy why not u do it :)
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Originally posted by sbst191:
Maybe you should stop complaining about public transport. Since you have mentioned all these, why not withdraw 84,115,191,275,825,882? These buses have 25min freq at least. If u think scheduling buses is easy why not u do it :)
Do you know that for the case of 84, 191 SBS is obliged to operate to these places, even if it's 30 mins a bus?As for 275, 882 dun worry.. QoS 10 mins peak hrs is coming..
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"Don't crowd the front of the bus" problem still not solved. Since the days when buses have conductors.
So just want can be impoved?
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Originally posted by mancha:
"Don't crowd the front of the bus" problem still not solved. Since the days when buses have conductors.
So just want can be impoved?
must wait till some commuter outright opens mouth and scold?I've did it before and I got the effect.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
927 can withdraw liao lah, 30 mins still no bus come
Withdraw 84,115,191,275,825,882 :) put 20 buses on 927
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Originally posted by mancha:
"Don't crowd the front of the bus" problem still not solved. Since the days when buses have conductors.
So just want can be impoved?
Just buy 3 door Citaros or Citaro Gs!