Double deckers versus bendies
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Since so many threads get sidetracked into arguing over the DD v. bendy fight, I decided to open a thread.
I favour deckers because they:
1. Occupy less road space
2. Carry more people
3. Have a very nice upper deck
4. Are easier to maintain (being a one-piece chassis, with no articulation joint and associated active hydraulics)
Bendies do have advantages, but they are useless in Singapore, such as:
1. They have three doors, but the doors are wasted by being entry-exit-exit, rather than all-entry/exit
2. They have a lot of longitudinal surface area, but the bus bays are too short to benefit from this
To top it off, most non-decker routes can do with single-deck regular buses.
Conclusion: the bendy is inferior to the decker for trunks (and expresses, FastForwards etc) and overkill for feeders (and TownLinks, NiteOwl etc). MOAR DECKERS!
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in short, each has their own pros & cons..
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Both DDs and bendies have their pros and cons.
For DDs, height constraints is a problem. Whereas for bendies, the problem lies more on reversing and doing a sharp turn.
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the starting post quite one-sided :(
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I do favour them, in Singapore.
For Sydney, I favour bendy. Why?
1. Bendy has regular height.
2. Bendy is more stable.
3. Bendy puts less stress on the road.
4. Bendy is easier to keep secure - you can look straight down the corridor.
But for Singapore, DD>bendy.
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I agree what QX179R and SBS8676Z had said. I like both the bendies and DDs', each with their pros and cons.
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Double deckers definitely better.
Bendies hog the roads.... -
bendies for feeder services where they are the only service on the neighbourhood streets. faster alighting.
DDs for city/main road services. -
Originally posted by sinicker:
bendies for feeder services where they are the only service on the neighbourhood streets. faster alighting.
DDs for city/main road services.This.
How many feeders/TownLinks actually carry enough people to warrant bendies? I'm sure a number of the Jurong area ones would qualify...
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Originally posted by watson374:
This.
How many feeders/TownLinks actually carry enough people to warrant bendies? I'm sure a number of the Jurong area ones would qualify...
Many of the existing feeders (e.g. 302,804,806) and intratowns with bendies wont work with anything other than bendies. Significant amount of pax takes it just for 3-5 stops, and replacing them with dd would cause alot of unneeded movment on the stairs.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Many of the existing feeders (e.g. 302,804,806) and intratowns with bendies wont work with anything other than bendies. Significant amount of pax takes it just for 3-5 stops, and replacing them with dd would cause alot of unneeded movment on the stairs.
That's exactly what I support them for - high-intensity short-haul.
They should stay there.
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but your int how to build?
See your Boon Lay.. End up can park 4x 179's Olympians when LTA found out they've to remove the bendy lots
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double decker bus for both company will be better like hong kong. How to make people move to the top? put the LED display on the window to show how sit left on the upper floor.
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
double decker bus for both company will be better like hong kong. How to make people move to the top? put the LED display on the window to show how sit left on the upper floor.
SBS Transit double deckers have the upper deck seat counters for a long time, located at the start of the staircase on the first deck -
For feeders like 240,285 it's feasible to have DDs consider the amount of bus stops and journey time but for 225,242 a bit overkill,More SDs with good freq will do however Townlinks like 222,265,291 it's a must to have at least split DDs.Bendies are good for short haul svc and feeders
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Bendies are meant for high-demand routes that ply roads with height restrictions. Hence they are deployed on 67, 176 & 960.
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Originally posted by watson374:
I do favour them, in Singapore.
For Sydney, I favour bendy. Why?
1. Bendy has regular height.
2. Bendy is more stable.
3. Bendy puts less stress on the road.
4. Bendy is easier to keep secure - you can look straight down the corridor.
But for Singapore, DD>bendy.
In AUS, not many people travel by bus, so no need DD. Even the vintage LAs that remain are only used for tourists or charter buses. The bendies in Perth are mainly used for school runs or rail-replacement duty. Also, quite a number of roads are unsuitable for DD as they have tight corners or low trees.
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now Sv 67 headway very bad.. 106 overkill
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I keep emphasising I'm talking about Singapore now.
Oh, and you'd be surprised. Sydney has massive problems with too many 40' buses in the city.
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Bendies is only slightly longer than DDs and besides bendies are way faster than DDs
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Originally posted by Blackerol:
Bendies is only slightly longer than DDs and besides bendies are way faster than DDs
Slightly? 3 ADD length = 2 Bendy. Fast? Give u 1 busstop right bef a traffic light. 12m bus can clear 2 by 2 per cycle. Bendy 1 by 1? Lol -
Originally posted by Blackerol:
Bendies is only slightly longer than DDs and besides bendies are way faster than DDs
LOLOL
DD is only slightly taller than SD yea?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Slightly? 3 ADD length = 2 Bendy. Fast? Give u 1 busstop right bef a traffic light. 12m bus can clear 2 by 2 per cycle. Bendy 1 by 1? Lol
Give him Orchard Blvd Orchard MRT Bus Stop bah :)
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It is generally accepted that articulated buses are more suitable for shorter services with a constant flow of passengers boarding and alighting. This is because articulated buses promote faster dwell times at stops due to the ease of access.
As stated by others above, articulated buses have several major advantages: they are the same height as a single-deck rigid bus meaning that they can travel (almost) anywhere that a normal single-deck rigid bus can and they are generally safer for passengers.
Articulated buses also tend to share a high proportion of parts with the corresponding single-deck rigid bus, so the extra servicing complexity is minimal.
Double deckers are suitable for longer limited stop and express services where the frequency of stops (and therefore movement of passengers on and off the bus) is less. A crowded double decker bus is likely to take much longer to unload than a crowded articulated bus, and passengers need to negotiate a staircase in order to disembark from the upper deck. Additionally, double decker buses are much taller and much consideration needs to be taken for the route that they are used on. Double decker buses place more weight per axle onto the road and are therefore more damaging to the road network, but on the other hand, they take up less depot space and road space.
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Safer?
What happens when they turn.. the backside?
lol