Why so many K230UB's in Singapore today?
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SBS K230UBs are falling apart! They always jerk and get overtaken on the highway by MAN n Citaro! Why does everyone like to get such horrible cheapskate buses??
SBS should seriously buy some Dennis Enviro200 Dart and the new Citaro!
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MAN some also getting horrible.. The boards are falling off as screws are missing...
The overtaking is sure or not? 60km/hr max...
Anyway, I dun buy the speeding. Cos it's all to do w/ scheduling, 50km/hr is still ok. If there's a traffic jam, kpkb bus why lambat so jialat?
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
SBS K230UBs are falling apart! They always jerk and get overtaken on the highway by MAN n Citaro! Why does everyone like to get such horrible cheapskate buses??
SBS should seriously buy some Dennis Enviro200 Dart and the new Citaro!
It is purchased to replace most of the 1988-1992 buses like the 700 O405s.
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The decision to purchase the 'incorrigible' KUBs has to be one of the worst decisions ever made by SBST. The combination of an underpowered engine, unstable chassis and flimsy bodywork epitomizes the failure of profit-oriented corporate decisions. What many local transport companies in general fail to realize is that a higher initial investment in better vehicles with integral bodywork (e.g. Citaros and MAN Lion City buses) could prove more cost-effective in the long run due to improved fuel economy and more importantly lower maintenance costs, unlike those with custom bodyworks like the CDGE B9TLs. This is especially true for the KUBs since a lot of money must go into solving vibration issues and other nitty-gritty details that are starting to fail, along with howling radiators that are struggling to cool the engine due to poor airflow designs of custom bodyworks. I am extremely saddened by many local transport companies which choose to purchase horrible MIC buses which will definitely return horrible gas mileages and emit unbelievable amounts of exhaust gases, which will then need constant maintenance to meet LTA regulations.
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amazing! you took my advice.
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
The decision to purchase the ‘incorrigible’ KUBs has to be one of the worst decisions ever made by SBST. The combination of an underpowered engine, unstable chassis and flimsy bodywork epitomizes the failure of profit-oriented corporate decisions. What many local transport companies in general fail to realize is that a higher initial investment in better vehicles with integral bodywork (e.g. Citaros and MAN Lion City buses) could prove more cost-effective in the long run due to improved fuel economy and more importantly lower maintenance costs, unlike those with custom bodyworks like the CDGE B9TLs. This is especially true for the KUBs since a lot of money must go into solving vibration issues and other nitty-gritty details that are starting to fail, along with howling radiators that are struggling to cool the engine due to poor airflow designs of custom bodyworks. I am extremely saddened by many local transport companies which choose to purchase horrible MIC buses which will definitely return horrible gas mileages and emit unbelievable amounts of exhaust gases, which will then need constant maintenance to meet LTA regulations.
Scania K230UB can still cope w/ NTU's slope while the ageing LO3x can't... So what it tells? mmm...
As for the MAN, it can't even carry people after the exit door area.. You try deploying it to airport svs, you see what happens. I lived by the era w/o MRT, I still able to squeeze and alight the bus safely.
The radiators is something of an old problem... Which is why people will still go for Japanese car than European makes as far as possible.
MIC buses is cheap wat...
Exhaust gas is all to do w/ tuning of your engine regularly...
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No choice. SBST bought the 1100 Scania K230UBs because of the outgoing buses (Volvo MK2s followed by Scania N113CRBs and Merc 0405s).
SBST should have considered different new bus models then. Finally Citaros were chosen instead of another 300 K230UBs for the MK3 replacements
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
The decision to purchase the ‘incorrigible’ KUBs has to be one of the worst decisions ever made by SBST. The combination of an underpowered engine, unstable chassis and flimsy bodywork epitomizes the failure of profit-oriented corporate decisions. What many local transport companies in general fail to realize is that a higher initial investment in better vehicles with integral bodywork (e.g. Citaros and MAN Lion City buses) could prove more cost-effective in the long run due to improved fuel economy and more importantly lower maintenance costs, unlike those with custom bodyworks like the CDGE B9TLs. This is especially true for the KUBs since a lot of money must go into solving vibration issues and other nitty-gritty details that are starting to fail, along with howling radiators that are struggling to cool the engine due to poor airflow designs of custom bodyworks. I am extremely saddened by many local transport companies which choose to purchase horrible MIC buses which will definitely return horrible gas mileages and emit unbelievable amounts of exhaust gases, which will then need constant maintenance to meet LTA regulations.
i'm certain this is the best buy from SBST, not in terms of comfort, but in terms of passenger payload.with population increasing, there will be a need for more that can ferry more ppl in one go. the interior of the citaro and A22 have too many seats, although i must agree they are still more comfortable than kubs.
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Maybe if there was a combination of KUB's interior space and Citaro levels of quietness and comfort. Hmm, maybe a Citaro chassis with a KUB bodywork assembled under strict QC from Daimler?
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enjoy while it lasts ~
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Maybe if there was a combination of KUB’s interior space and Citaro levels of quietness and comfort. Hmm, maybe a Citaro chassis with a KUB bodywork assembled under strict QC from Daimler?
Citaro LE? Basically an low entry Citaro.
Photo from flickr by Pi Eye. Retrieved from http://www.flickr.com/photos/pieye/4179481844/
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I remember reading somewhere that LTA requires all new buses to be fully low floor, so there will never be new KUBs anymore!
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
I remember reading somewhere that LTA requires all new buses to be fully low floor, so there will never be new KUBs anymore!
Unfortunately, that was just a part of a theory set up to make us believe that the WT kub is part of an sbst order. Actual fact is that LTA has not given this requirement, and that the WT kub is manufactured about exactly 1 year after the last sbst kub.
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Threadstarter,
Pls go and open another thread leh:
"Why so many creepy NAC double deckers in Jurong West and Tuas?"
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Originally posted by ahlunjia:
Threadstarter,
Pls go and open another thread leh:
"Why so many creepy NAC double deckers in Jurong West and Tuas?"
Sekali basket he really go and open..
But anyway,now he has no reason to open such a topic cause sbst has scrapped most of them alr.Now only left around 40+ of them..
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Originally posted by ahlunjia:
Threadstarter,
Pls go and open another thread leh:
"Why so many creepy NAC double deckers in Jurong West and Tuas?"
I GOT ERROR?? You help me start can??
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
The decision to purchase the ‘incorrigible’ KUBs has to be one of the worst decisions ever made by SBST. The combination of an underpowered engine, unstable chassis and flimsy bodywork epitomizes the failure of profit-oriented corporate decisions. What many local transport companies in general fail to realize is that a higher initial investment in better vehicles with integral bodywork (e.g. Citaros and MAN Lion City buses) could prove more cost-effective in the long run due to improved fuel economy and more importantly lower maintenance costs, unlike those with custom bodyworks like the CDGE B9TLs. This is especially true for the KUBs since a lot of money must go into solving vibration issues and other nitty-gritty details that are starting to fail, along with howling radiators that are struggling to cool the engine due to poor airflow designs of custom bodyworks. I am extremely saddened by many local transport companies which choose to purchase horrible MIC buses which will definitely return horrible gas mileages and emit unbelievable amounts of exhaust gases, which will then need constant maintenance to meet LTA regulations.
Yeah well said.The order of the kubs really killed everyone..From a mere 100 at 1st to 1100 of them now on the roads!!At least if 500 still nvm la..But 1100 of them is really a murder.And at least SMRT gave up on both the hopeless lousy china pieces of shits.sbst leh??Still dearly holding on to the 2 stupid shit sunlongs. -
Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Unfortunately, that was just a part of a theory set up to make us believe that the WT kub is part of an sbst order. Actual fact is that LTA has not given this requirement, and that the WT kub is manufactured about exactly 1 year after the last sbst kub.
IMPOSSIBLE! LTA must also be tired of these creepy KUB to ban new registrations! Otherwise SBS would order more K230 instead of Citaros!
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
It is purchased to replace most of the 1988-1992 buses like the 700 O405s.
Facepalm at this post.
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Maybe if there was a combination of KUB’s interior space and Citaro levels of quietness and comfort. Hmm, maybe a Citaro chassis with a KUB bodywork assembled under strict QC from Daimler?
i'd think the chassis itself will do. bodywork can be done by regional companies like sksbus, gemilang or soon chow. -
volvo is also considered a chinese brand now rite since it is now under geely
why sbs still buy so many volvo buses
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That's Volvo car.. Not Volvo Trucks and Buses
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
I remember reading somewhere that LTA requires all new buses to be fully low floor, so there will never be new KUBs anymore!
If this is true, Airport bus commuters will cry alrdy.