Daimler delivers largest Asian Citaro order to date (Part 2)
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
I know where it appears on the BNDEP KUBs, below the bus stopping sign usually. But the bus stopping sign for Citaros is not visible from the driver position? I mean, it is actually further back than the rego plate area and not clustured together with the interior rego plate (you should get what i mean). So the perm sticker is still there uh for those BNDEP Citaros with stix?
So far BN did not put any perm stix on its citaros
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And another issue that not sure anyone noticed, the present Citaros we have now do not have a tachometer at all on the dashboard. Only the speedometer. It might not seem like a serious problem, but i've seen BCs flooring the Citaros all the way and pray that it will change up one gear, resulting in sometimes abrupt and jerky gear changes (although not as bad as some Mk4 Striders where you can literally hear the gears clonk and change).
If you had taken a bus driven by a skillful KUB BC, they would actually let go slightly of the accelerator if the bus refuses to shift up a gear and use the tachometer to gauge when the bus will shift up instead. Same for the case when a KUB tries to struggle uphill (I've seen a Service 5 BC purposely keep his KUB in 5th gear instead of 6th along the PIE sector with many uphills by gauging the rpms)
So i do hope the facelifted Citaros (the Batch 2s) do come as the start of their production coincides nicely with the delivery of the remaining Citaros. And the facelifted Citaros do have a tachometer onboard, see the Mercedes Germany website if you want to find out.
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The MK4's nauseating grinding of gears and clutch is due to the age of the gearbox I believe...because it wasn't like these till the mid 2000s. The same problem can be found on SMRT ZFs....and some of the 0405Gs seem to have lost their 1st gears and just start from 2nd. No big issue there though except the start-up is a little slower.
For the K230UBs, rpm seldom goes beyond 1.5k on the EEVs with typical shifts at 1.2k. Actually if the traffic ahead is clear and the BC knows better, 6th gear on the K230UB is enough to climb the slopes along PIE. And if the BC knows the bus he drives very well and bothers about the gears, the K230UB is really nice and sweet on the gears if the any changes in the pressure on the pedal is done gently. The gearbox will simply hold the gear nicely although some BCs overdo this causing the bus to vibrate. The most extreme case I had was when an SC K230UB slowed down uphill gently while still applying pressure on the pedal. Clutch was still engaged when the driver suddenly stomped on the brakes causing the engine to nearly stall.
At the other extreme, I once came across a 74 BC who was determined to keep his Strider in gear 2. Pax were all tempted to smack him at the back of the head.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
The MK4's nauseating grinding of gears and clutch is due to the age of the gearbox I believe...because it wasn't like these till the mid 2000s. The same problem can be found on SMRT ZFs....and some of the 0405Gs seem to have lost their 1st gears and just start from 2nd. No big issue there though except the start-up is a little slower.
For the K230UBs, rpm seldom goes beyond 1.5k on the EEVs with typical shifts at 1.2k. Actually if the traffic ahead is clear and the BC knows better, 6th gear on the K230UB is enough to climb the slopes along PIE. And if the BC knows the bus he drives very well and bothers about the gears, the K230UB is really nice and sweet on the gears if the any changes in the pressure on the pedal is done gently. The gearbox will simply hold the gear nicely although some BCs overdo this causing the bus to vibrate. The most extreme case I had was when an SC K230UB slowed down uphill gently while still applying pressure on the pedal. Clutch was still engaged when the driver suddenly stomped on the brakes causing the engine to nearly stall.
At the other extreme, I once came across a 74 BC who was determined to keep his Strider in gear 2. Pax were all tempted to smack him at the back of the head.
I've seen another Service 53 BC who just decided to floor his K230 no matter what up the uphill of the short flyover linking from the airport on TPE via the PIE to Pasir Ris. I assume his previous bus one trip earlier was probably a Citaro (because Citaros pretty much have the power to carry the bus uphill without much hassle when floored), but when this BC did the same for this poor KUB, the KUB could only lumbered uphill like a snail in 6th gear. Then shift down to 5th, 4th and then at the top of the small hill, 3rd.
And because the Citaros did not have a tachometer, could it be possible that when you hear a Citaro being floored, the revs were very near to the redline? Much nearer to the redline than the KUB i suppose? -
No idea.
So long as no black smoke appear, so long as I can sleep, I can't care less.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Anyway, not sure if anyone has raised this before, but I think unlike the Mk4s and K230UBs, the Citaros do not have a sign that lights up on the dashboard when someone presses the door stopping bell? It caused quite a number of BCs to miss their stops during peak hours because they had forgotten about the people intending to alight (made worse by the fact they can't see the bus stopping sign at all from their driving position in the Citaro)
The Volvos (iirc it should be Mk4s and even VOs too since they share the same dashboard?) have a box in the dashboard that lights up in orange with the 'S' sign when someone presses the door stopping bell. A similar kind is present on the dashboard for KUBs. But i don't think the Citaros have it. Correct me if i'm wrong!
actually have, you need to take closer look to the LCD. After stopping bell is pressed, there will be a triangle icon blinking.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Oh yes and juz to continue from previous topic:
WELL, I would like the hispanos... TO BE FAR AND AWAY! Who cares if it's sturdy and hard? it's not a comfort to ride on anyway. unlike the volgrens. just my bus. so sad it got turned away... TIB582U is noisy and loud, so OPERATING LIKE A DREAM?! and i bet volgrens are just as sturdy.
AND if u dunno that sengkang keeps getting downgrades and hardly upgrades, then u had better stfu and stop being such a kaypoh by treating every place of singapore as your fairyland. u had better things to do, u noe, ah boy.
Of course I have better things to do, rather than entertaining you... I am not pursuing this matter anymore, but if I, as an ignorant and kaypoh-ish ah boy, can be so forgiving, you, as a self-acclaimed working adult, should be better at it than me. I expect to see more things that I can learn from you, rather than be disgusted.
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Tacho is not useful for many LOs and many older VOs.
If you believe the tacho, then the idle rpm is -100 and the engine can suddenly produce 3k revs in milliseconds.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
No idea.
So long as no black smoke appear, so long as I can sleep, I can't care less.
HAHAH! When they go towards the redline, more often than not, black smoke comes out anyway. But still good to sleep in!
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I do notice the Citaros are more likely to produce soot. Most probably because of the higher revs compared to the K230UBs. At the other extreme, the K230UBs tend to produce plenty of groanings and vibrations because the revs are a bit too low.
As for performance, both types are pretty comparable actually. A whacked K230UB goes very fast actually and if I roll both types down the PIE slope of course the K230UB goes faster.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
And another issue that not sure anyone noticed, the present Citaros we have now do not have a tachometer at all on the dashboard. Only the speedometer. It might not seem like a serious problem, but i've seen BCs flooring the Citaros all the way and pray that it will change up one gear, resulting in sometimes abrupt and jerky gear changes (although not as bad as some Mk4 Striders where you can literally hear the gears clonk and change).
If you had taken a bus driven by a skillful KUB BC, they would actually let go slightly of the accelerator if the bus refuses to shift up a gear and use the tachometer to gauge when the bus will shift up instead. Same for the case when a KUB tries to struggle uphill (I've seen a Service 5 BC purposely keep his KUB in 5th gear instead of 6th along the PIE sector with many uphills by gauging the rpms)
So i do hope the facelifted Citaros (the Batch 2s) do come as the start of their production coincides nicely with the delivery of the remaining Citaros. And the facelifted Citaros do have a tachometer onboard, see the Mercedes Germany website if you want to find out.
Oh yes... I agree. I've sat on a Citaro that was floored and the gear changes were rather jerky (seems like it only changes up when the BC lifts his foot from the accelerator). But the Citaro is very powerful when floored.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I do notice the Citaros are more likely to produce soot. Most probably because of the higher revs compared to the K230UBs. At the other extreme, the K230UBs tend to produce plenty of groanings and vibrations because the revs are a bit too low.
As for performance, both types are pretty comparable actually. A whacked K230UB goes very fast actually and if I roll both types down the PIE slope of course the K230UB goes faster.
Would the higher KUB speed be due to the 6-speed ZF gearbox? The RPMs are low at 60 km/h in 6th, about 1.2k if I'm not wrong.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Tacho is not useful for many LOs and many older VOs.
If you believe the tacho, then the idle rpm is -100 and the engine can suddenly produce 3k revs in milliseconds.
Faulty tacho? Some Mk4 tachos can dance too!
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
AM 53 Citaros some have perm stickers also on the coinbox (6012C, 6035L, 6038D for eg. iirc), some like 6015U & 6016S have the perm stix elsewhere (think on the dashboard too) or probably none at all (couldn't find). Not sure abt 6077R & 6081C and the rest of the AMDEP Citaros though.
But don't try to be so obvious and stick your head here and there to find the perm sticker yeah. I don't want to be labelled by others as teaching others new ways to disturb the BC from driving properly.
i think 6013 got its perm sticker at the front lower part of the BC's windows. can see from outside...
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unknown Citaro with Sv240 EDS spotted along AMK Ave 9 towards AMDEP at around 7.50pm.... think BC anyhow key in the EDS code..
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Nov 10
SMB172Y sv75 -
SMB150K and SMB177J chartered today. Saw them ferrying people to MRT Sport & Recreation Club at Bishan
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Originally posted by almr:
May i know which citaro cameoed sv 307 and sv 812?
SMB155Y + SMB149R cameo on 307. Currently only 155Y.
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SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Quantity: 129 / 300
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- SBS6023X (BBDEP SP)
- SBS6024T (ARBP 123)
- SBS6025R (ARBP 123)
- SBS6026M (ARBP 16)
- SBS6027K (ARBP 16)
- SBS6028H (BBDEP SP)
- SBS6029E (SLBP 52)
- SBS6030A (SLBP 52)
- SBS6031Y (SLBP 52)
- SBS6032U (SLBP 502)
- SBS6033S (SLBP 66)
- SBS6034P (SLBP 66)
- SBS6035L (AMDEP 53)
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- SBS6038D (AMDEP 53)
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- SBS6040X (BBDEP 175)
- SBS6041T (BBDEP 175)
- SBS6042R (BBDEP 96)
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- SBS6044K (BBDEP 96)
- SBS6045H (ARBP 16)
- SBS6046E (BBDEP 96)
- SBS6047C (BBDEP 175)
- SBS6048A (BBDEP SP)
- SBS6049Y (BBDEP 175)
- SBS6050S (BBDEP SP)
- SBS6051P (BBDEP SP)
- SBS6052L (BBDEP SP)
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- SBS6059T (BNDEP 9/35)
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- SBS6065A (HGDEP 109)
- SBS6066Y (SLBP 335)
- SBS6067U (HGDEP 109)
- SBS6068S (HGDEP 101)
- SBS6069P (SLBP SP)
- SBS6070J (SLBP 333)
- SBS6071G (SLBP SP)
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- SBS6074Z (SLBP SP)
- SBS6075X (SLBP SP)
- SBS6076T (SLBP SP)
- SBS6077R (AMDEP 24)
- SBS6078M (AMDEP 24)
- SBS6079K (AMDEP SP)
- SBS6080E (SLBP SP)
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- SBS6082A (BNDEP 222)
- SBS6083Y (BNDEP 222)
- SBS6084U (BNDEP 222)
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- SBS6086P (SLBP SP)
- SBS6087L (HGDEP 101)
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- SBS6089G (HGDEP 83)
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- SBS6092X (HGDEP 83)
- SBS6093T (HGDEP 101)
- SBS6094R (BNDEP 28)
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- SBS6096K (HGDEP 158)
- SBS6097H (HGDEP 158)
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- SBS6099C (SLBP SP)
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- SBS6128C (HGDEP 101)
- SBS6129A (HGDEP SP)
- SBS6130U (HGDEP SP)
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- SBS6135G (HGDEP 43)SMRT Buses Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Quantity: 39 / 51
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61, 67, 75, 77, 106, 167, 169, 171, 172, 176, 178, 180, 184, 188, 189, 190, 307, 531, 700, 800, 804, 806, 811, 812, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 857, 858, 911, 920, 922, 925, 927, 941, 945, 960, 961, 962, 963, 966, 969, 970, 975, 980, 985, RWS8Buses
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz Citaro
- SBS6096K (HGDEP 158)
- SBS6097H (HGDEP 158)
- SBS6127E (HGDEP 43)
- SBS6135G (HGDEP 43)Can you enlighten me which buses are kicked out of 158 & 43 by these buses respectively?
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Can you enlighten me which buses are kicked out of 158 & 43 by these buses respectively?
sv158 - 884Ssv43 i can't confirm, but i suspect is 788L only.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
sv43 i can't confirm, but i suspect is 788L only.
8212D had been running around lately toooso dun forget tat 5193U still undergoing repairs n till now not back on svc yet.. a random citaro or kub would appear on 5193U slot on a daily basis..
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SMB176L on 851 yesterday.
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6001J no more rimguards.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Quantity: 129 / 300
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- SBS6109H (SLBP SP)what abt sv261?
SBS6109H spotted parking inside AMDEP....