Daimler delivers largest Asian Citaro order to date (Part 2)
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Has the registration os SBS6150_ and after started?
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SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz O530 (Evobus)
Quantity: 150 / 300
Bus Services plied (as of 3 January 2012):
3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 24, 27, 28, 30e, 32, 35, 43, 48, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 64, 66, 74, 78, 80, 83, 87, 88, 95, 96, 99, 100, 101, 105, 109, 111, 119, 123, 125, 131, 138, 143, 147, 151, 154, 156, 157, 158, 163, 165, 166, 168, 175, 183, 195, 196, 198, 200, 222, 225, 228, 229, 252, 261, 268, 272, 273, 275, 282, 285, 292, 293, 315, 317, 333, 334, 335, 354, 400, 402, 410, 502, 506, 518, 3NBuses registered (as of 3 January 2012):
> SBS6000L (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6001J (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6002G (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6003D (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6004B (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6005Z (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6006X (SLBP 52)
> SBS6007T (BRBP 28)
> SBS6008R (BRBP 28)
> SBS6009M (BRBP 28)
> SBS6010H (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6011E (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6012C (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6013A (BRBP 131)
> SBS6014Y (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6015U (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6016S (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6017P (SLBP 502)
> SBS6018L (ARBP 16)
> SBS6019J (ARBP 195)
> SBS6020D (ARBP 195)
> SBS6021B (ARBP 16)
> SBS6022Z (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6023X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6024T (ARBP 123)
> SBS6025R (ARBP 123)
> SBS6026M (ARBP 16)
> SBS6027K (ARBP 16)
> SBS6028H (ARBP 16)
> SBS6029E (SLBP 52)
> SBS6030A (SLBP 52)
> SBS6031Y (SLBP 52)
> SBS6032U (SLBP 502)
> SBS6033S (SLBP 66)
> SBS6034P (SLBP 66)
> SBS6035L (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6036J (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6037G (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6038D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6039B (ARBP 32)
> SBS6040X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6041T (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6042R (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6043M (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6044K (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6045H (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6046E (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6047C (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6048A (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6049Y (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6050S (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6051P (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6052L (ARBP 111)
> SBS6053J (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6054G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6055D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6056B (BRBP 131)
> SBS6057Z (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6058X (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6059T (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6060M (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6061K (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6062H (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6063E (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6064C (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6065A (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6066Y (SLBP 335)
> SBS6067U (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6068S (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6069P (SLBP 333)
> SBS6070J (SLBP 333)
> SBS6071G (SLBP SP)
> SBS6072D (SLBP SP)
> SBS6073B (SLBP 502)
> SBS6074Z (SLBP 502)
> SBS6075X (SLBP 66)
> SBS6076T (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6077R (AMDEP 24/261)
> SBS6078M (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6079K (BRBP 131)
> SBS6080E (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6081C (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6082A (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6083Y (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6084U (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6085S (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6086P (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6087L (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6088J (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6089G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6090B (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6091Z (HGDEP 83/TRG)
> SBS6092X (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6093T (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6094R (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6095M (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6096K (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6097H (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6098E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6099C (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6100G (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6101D
> SBS6102B (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6103Z (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6104X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6105T (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6106R (ARBP 16)
> SBS6107M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6108K (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6109H (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6110C (ARBP 111)
> SBS6111A (ARBP 111)
> SBS6112Y (ARBP 111)
> SBS6113U (ARBP 16)
> SBS6114S (ARBP 16)
> SBS6115P (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6116L (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6117J (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6118G (ARBP 16)
> SBS6119D (ARBP 16)
> SBS6120Z (ARBP 16)
> SBS6121X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6122T (HGDEP 317)
> SBS6123R (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6124M (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6125K (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6126H (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6127E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6128C (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6129A (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6130U (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6131S (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6132P (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6133L (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6134J (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6135G (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6136D (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6137B (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6138Z (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6139X (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6140R (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6141M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6142K (ARBP 16)
> SBS6143H (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6144E (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6145C (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6146A (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6147Y (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6148U (ARBP 123)
> SBS6149S (BBDEP SP)SMRT Buses Mercedes-Benz O530 list will no longer be provided as ALL buses had already been registered. Please refer to deployment websites for more information. Thank you.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
If I am not wrong, I'm sure thay a citaro cameoed on svc 6 (not in the list) b4 rite...
Yeaps there was a Citaro on 6 before. It was a Saturday IIRC, so did half day only.
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Anyway, 6101D is finally out. To BBDEP/ARBP. Today on 16.
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Just saw the 2011 Citaro
now makes me more suspicious of SG's Citaros whether they are bought at a discount so that Daimler can clear stock and start building the 2011 version
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Just saw the 2011 Citaro
now makes me more suspicious of SG's Citaros whether they are bought at a discount so that Daimler can clear stock and start building the 2011 version
ACxI'm not sure though, but given that the Citaros' registration are stuck somehow now, perhaps we will get a handful of those facelifted Citaros. Since the start of the facelifted Citaro's production will coincide in the middle of the delivery date for those SBST-ordered Citaros IIRC.
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a few SBST citaros spotted in C&C in the range 616X
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Just saw the 2011 Citaro
now makes me more suspicious of SG's Citaros whether they are bought at a discount so that Daimler can clear stock and start building the 2011 version
ACxSame feeling.
Cheers.
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Don't think it was stock clearance. MB wouldn't have so many excess RHD Citaros lying around. Only the UK bought RHD Citaros, right? Doubt MB would upgrade the order to the new Citaro 3 without extra charges.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz O530 (Evobus)
Quantity: 150 / 300
Bus Services plied (as of 3 January 2012):
3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 24, 27, 28, 30e, 32, 35, 43, 48, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 64, 66, 74, 78, 80, 83, 87, 88, 95, 96, 99, 100, 101, 105, 109, 111, 119, 123, 125, 131, 138, 143, 147, 151, 154, 156, 157, 158, 163, 165, 166, 168, 175, 183, 195, 196, 198, 200, 222, 225, 228, 229, 252, 261, 268, 272, 273, 275, 282, 285, 292, 293, 315, 317, 333, 334, 335, 354, 400, 402, 410, 502, 506, 518, 3NBuses registered (as of 3 January 2012):
> SBS6000L (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6001J (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6002G (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6003D (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6004B (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6005Z (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6006X (SLBP 52)
> SBS6007T (BRBP 28)
> SBS6008R (BRBP 28)
> SBS6009M (BRBP 28)
> SBS6010H (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6011E (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6012C (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6013A (BRBP 131)
> SBS6014Y (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6015U (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6016S (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6017P (SLBP 502)
> SBS6018L (ARBP 16)
> SBS6019J (ARBP 195)
> SBS6020D (ARBP 195)
> SBS6021B (ARBP 16)
> SBS6022Z (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6023X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6024T (ARBP 123)
> SBS6025R (ARBP 123)
> SBS6026M (ARBP 16)
> SBS6027K (ARBP 16)
> SBS6028H (ARBP 16)
> SBS6029E (SLBP 52)
> SBS6030A (SLBP 52)
> SBS6031Y (SLBP 52)
> SBS6032U (SLBP 502)
> SBS6033S (SLBP 66)
> SBS6034P (SLBP 66)
> SBS6035L (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6036J (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6037G (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6038D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6039B (ARBP 32)
> SBS6040X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6041T (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6042R (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6043M (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6044K (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6045H (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6046E (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6047C (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6048A (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6049Y (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6050S (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6051P (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6052L (ARBP 111)
> SBS6053J (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6054G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6055D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6056B (BRBP 131)
> SBS6057Z (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6058X (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6059T (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6060M (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6061K (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6062H (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6063E (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6064C (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6065A (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6066Y (SLBP 335)
> SBS6067U (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6068S (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6069P (SLBP 333)
> SBS6070J (SLBP 333)
> SBS6071G (SLBP SP)
> SBS6072D (SLBP SP)
> SBS6073B (SLBP 502)
> SBS6074Z (SLBP 502)
> SBS6075X (SLBP 66)
> SBS6076T (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6077R (AMDEP 24/261)
> SBS6078M (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6079K (BRBP 131)
> SBS6080E (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6081C (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6082A (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6083Y (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6084U (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6085S (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6086P (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6087L (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6088J (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6089G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6090B (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6091Z (HGDEP 83/TRG)
> SBS6092X (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6093T (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6094R (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6095M (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6096K (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6097H (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6098E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6099C (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6100G (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6101D
> SBS6102B (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6103Z (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6104X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6105T (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6106R (ARBP 16)
> SBS6107M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6108K (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6109H (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6110C (ARBP 111)
> SBS6111A (ARBP 111)
> SBS6112Y (ARBP 111)
> SBS6113U (ARBP 16)
> SBS6114S (ARBP 16)
> SBS6115P (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6116L (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6117J (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6118G (ARBP 16)
> SBS6119D (ARBP 16)
> SBS6120Z (ARBP 16)
> SBS6121X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6122T (HGDEP 317)
> SBS6123R (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6124M (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6125K (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6126H (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6127E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6128C (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6129A (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6130U (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6131S (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6132P (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6133L (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6134J (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6135G (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6136D (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6137B (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6138Z (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6139X (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6140R (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6141M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6142K (ARBP 16)
> SBS6143H (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6144E (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6145C (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6146A (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6147Y (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6148U (ARBP 123)
> SBS6149S (BBDEP SP)SMRT Buses Mercedes-Benz O530 list will no longer be provided as ALL buses had already been registered. Please refer to deployment websites for more information. Thank you.
SBS6019J did Premium 560 a few days back.
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Don't think it was stock clearance. MB wouldn't have so many excess RHD Citaros lying around. Only the UK bought RHD Citaros, right? Doubt MB would upgrade the order to the new Citaro 3 without extra charges.
Japan uses RHD Citaros...
a point to note the chassis of the bus is fixed, it is matter of RHD/LHD
MB/Daimler is very good at changing LHD to RHD
If you have a sharp eye, you would notice certain MB cars in SG windscreen wipers are exactly the same as when the car is LHDriven
ditto that for few makes of BMW cars in SG
Just observe...
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Japan didn't mass order Citaros, right? You might be right about the chasis. I think SBST must have gotten some superb deal for the Citaros. Knowing them and their corporate culture, they will never spend more for the sake of consumer comfort. I really hope they continue to get massive discounts from MAN or MB as they produce fantastic buses. Just took a Citaro on 109 yesterday and it was the best bus ride ever. Finally got to experience the full potential of the engine. It's amazing when floored and has no problem picking up speed on the hills at Loyang! It seems powerless most of the time because the Voith gearbox changes up to early.
You are right on the windscreen wipers as my parent's MB has windscreen wipers that clear more water on the left side. The most interesting thing is that they have the same pattern as the Scania KUBs (from the bottom to separate sides).
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A few Japanese tpt coys ordered the Citaro G　ｆï½�ｃｅｌｉｆｔｅｄ　ｔï½�　ｒｅï½�ｌï½�ｃｅ　ｔｈｅ　ï½�ｇｅｉｎｇ　Ｂ１ï¼�ï¼ articulated buses.
Keisei bus company commissioned CMNL to produce the 1:76 scale model[JB0001] in May 2010 to commemorate the launch of the Citaro G in Japan.
MAN buses were bought at a discount coz ST owns the distribution rights in SG which explains the SAF/SPF MAN trucks
Dun anyone find it strange that after local tpt coys ordered the facelifted Citaro SD, Daimler/MB came out with the better 2011 version?!
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Dun anyone find it strange that after local tpt coys ordered the facelifted Citaro SD, Daimler/MB came out with the better 2011 version?!
ACxCorrect me if I'm wrong, but you are trying to say that SBST & SMRT might have gotten some superb discounts by clearing MB's availability of parts for the old Citaro? I mean, MB might still have parts used for the Citaro 2 (not fully-built buses, just parts of chassis, doors, engine etc) in its supply.
So since SBST & SMRT are interested, might as well give them a discount so MB can clear their supply of parts for the old Citaro before production of the new Citaro can begin on an all new page?
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Japan didn't mass order Citaros, right? You might be right about the chasis. I think SBST must have gotten some superb deal for the Citaros. Knowing them and their corporate culture, they will never spend more for the sake of consumer comfort. I really hope they continue to get massive discounts from MAN or MB as they produce fantastic buses. Just took a Citaro on 109 yesterday and it was the best bus ride ever. Finally got to experience the full potential of the engine. It's amazing when floored and has no problem picking up speed on the hills at Loyang! It seems powerless most of the time because the Voith gearbox changes up to early.
You are right on the windscreen wipers as my parent's MB has windscreen wipers that clear more water on the left side. The most interesting thing is that they have the same pattern as the Scania KUBs (from the bottom to separate sides).
The Citaros are better for climbing hills, slopes, steep inclines and such. And making up time on the slip road up to the expressways. I don't know if anyone felt the same way, but the Citaros on other services with lots of stops and almost no expressway sectors (best example i can think of now is 16) are like slightly sluggish?
Took 6146A on 16 just yesterday. Yes i know its a SP for now, but the BC was still trying to floor the bus by gently accelerating initially then floor to make use of the turbo everytime he leaves from a standtill. But the bus kinda struggled to catch up with 865Y (which overtook 6146A at Marine Parade), and only overtook 865Y at Great World City. I observed that before the turbo could power the bus enough to propel it to a higher speed than you could with a Mk3/Mk4 on normal roads, it had to be restrained by braking again in between the stops & the lights. And then the process restarts again to get the turbo boost kicking in.
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Naturally aspirated engines are unbeatable.
Just look at the SMRT 0405.
The worst turbo-laggards are the Cummins engines. Especially the Lance which struggles when fully loaded.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Naturally aspirated engines are unbeatable.
Just look at the SMRT 0405.
The worst turbo-laggards are the Cummins engines. Especially the Lance which struggles when fully loaded.
Yeah i agree with you, naturally aspirated engines don't have to wait for the turbos to spool at a certain rpm range to give the engine the boost that makes it go faster.
But i guess in this era of efficiency & smaller engine capacity to give lower carbon emissions, turbos will be more common in order to give the bus the pulling power but yet still pass the emission standards. Not that it is a bad thing if it's done properly.
As for the Lance, I'm not sure if it's SMRT's maintenance or a fundamental flaw that is at fault. Those Lances I board in recent months, the way they accelerate and pull the bus along at even half-empty load is like that of a naturally aspirated engine. No turbo boost at all.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are trying to say that SBST & SMRT might have gotten some superb discounts by clearing MB's availability of parts for the old Citaro? I mean, MB might still have parts used for the Citaro 2 (not fully-built buses, just parts of chassis, doors, engine etc) in its supply.
So since SBST & SMRT are interested, might as well give them a discount so MB can clear their supply of parts for the old Citaro before production of the new Citaro can begin on an all new page?
This is an assumption on my part with no factual evidence, so do not quote me.
The jigsaw just adds up which make it very puzzling.
It's not old citaro, old citaro is Euro IV
The plug doors of SBST/SMRT version is the same as the Euro IV i took in Barcelona/Madrid this year, pix is in Foreign buses thread
Just look at the date of annpuncements by local companies and tt of Daimler for 2011 Citaro
As i mentioned, it is based on deduction
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
The Citaros are better for climbing hills, slopes, steep inclines and such. And making up time on the slip road up to the expressways. I don't know if anyone felt the same way, but the Citaros on other services with lots of stops and almost no expressway sectors (best example i can think of now is 16) are like slightly sluggish?
Took 6146A on 16 just yesterday. Yes i know its a SP for now, but the BC was still trying to floor the bus by gently accelerating initially then floor to make use of the turbo everytime he leaves from a standtill. But the bus kinda struggled to catch up with 865Y (which overtook 6146A at Marine Parade), and only overtook 865Y at Great World City. I observed that before the turbo could power the bus enough to propel it to a higher speed than you could with a Mk3/Mk4 on normal roads, it had to be restrained by braking again in between the stops & the lights. And then the process restarts again to get the turbo boost kicking in.
How a citaro performs mainly depends on the BC, i take sv16 very regularly n i can say diff BCs handle it differently.
Some do not floor the bus on Nicoll Highway but it still has a decent pick up while i cannot say for others who try to strain/kill the engine as they do not noe how to handle it.
But if you want a SOLID test of Citaro, it would be best to let a sv14 BC drive the citaro.
95pct of sv14 BCs are EXPERTS in driving the SBST fleet, no straining and no jerking, excellent control.
Then again your local citaro engine is really not as powerful as the European counterparts which i have enjoyed tremendously.
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Japan didn't mass order Citaros, right? You might be right about the chasis. I think SBST must have gotten some superb deal for the Citaros. Knowing them and their corporate culture, they will never spend more for the sake of consumer comfort. I really hope they continue to get massive discounts from MAN or MB as they produce fantastic buses. Just took a Citaro on 109 yesterday and it was the best bus ride ever. Finally got to experience the full potential of the engine. It's amazing when floored and has no problem picking up speed on the hills at Loyang! It seems powerless most of the time because the Voith gearbox changes up to early.
You are right on the windscreen wipers as my parent's MB has windscreen wipers that clear more water on the left side. The most interesting thing is that they have the same pattern as the Scania KUBs (from the bottom to separate sides).
My view is that sbst could only order integral/fbu vehicles this time round as their entire assembly facility is being held up with building the wrights. Getting built vehicles was the only way they could replace both dd and sd at once.
Of course CC/Mercedes Benz might have given them a good deal, but it seems from that smrtb got a better deal from the OMV prices.
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Or maybe it's simply that they like the Citaro's original design, which cannot be ordered as a kit for local assembly. The only other choice of bodywork is the James Irvine ones which probably isn't offered anyway. I think they must have also considered the fact that such German-made and assembled bodies will be way better than anything they can achieve themselves.
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Articles for viewing/reading
http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-7153-1-1384029-1-0-0-0-0-0-16694-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Citaro
www.daimler.com/.../2023469_Pressemappe_neuer_Citaro_eng.doc
http://www.omnibusarchiv.de/include.php?path=content&mode=print&contentid=860 -
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Yeah i agree with you, naturally aspirated engines don't have to wait for the turbos to spool at a certain rpm range to give the engine the boost that makes it go faster.
But i guess in this era of efficiency & smaller engine capacity to give lower carbon emissions, turbos will be more common in order to give the bus the pulling power but yet still pass the emission standards. Not that it is a bad thing if it's done properly.
As for the Lance, I'm not sure if it's SMRT's maintenance or a fundamental flaw that is at fault. Those Lances I board in recent months, the way they accelerate and pull the bus along at even half-empty load is like that of a naturally aspirated engine. No turbo boost at all.
So I'm not the only one who felt the turbo-boost suddenly disappeared?
The sudden boost kicks in at various times in various buses, some upon entering 2nd, some during 2nd, and some during 3rd. The mainteinance also varies (but all within the BAD region). I took 943L last night on 854. Its falling apart and the engine is in a very terrible state with signs of internal leaks and huge power loss.
Besides there are stories of crude speed-limitors on some Lances in the form of bricks under the pedal.
Years ago, when the Lances were brand-new with their blue desto, the boost was tremendous. Machiam a kick down the backside, and when some were turned over to 169 (still by far the no. 1 chiongster service even today), you could imagine how pax like myself feared for our lives.
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today 8-1-12 citaro 6088J on 165 is it debut?