Scania KUB OR Mercedes-Benz Citaro?

• SMB66X

  26 Sep 11, 23:04

  Citaro. If you wanna compare, compare it with OCs. The a/c on OCs sure to be way better than them.

• buses[IN]gapore!

  26 Sep 11, 23:46

  Originally posted by SMB66X:

  Citaro. If you wanna compare, compare it with OCs. The a/c on OCs sure to be way better than them.

  
  If i not wrong the Citaro's also having Konvektas units?

• SMB66X

  26 Sep 11, 23:56

  Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:

  
  If i not wrong the Citaro's also having Konvektas units?

  Not about a/c units, but the a/c seems stronger and cold. 

• CITARO LOV3R

  27 Sep 11, 22:54

  Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:

  
  If i not wrong the Citaro's also having Konvektas units?

  both OC and Citaro have the same strong power Konvekta A/C. Its just the way the cold air is channeled to the passengers, and it just so happens that the OCs do it better. 

• Bus Stopping

  28 Sep 11, 00:36

  Originally posted by CITARO LOV3R:

  both OC and Citaro have the same strong power Konvekta A/C. Its just the way the cold air is channeled to the passengers, and it just so happens that the OCs do it better. 

  They dont exactly have the same series of air conditioning units although both made by konvekta.

  OCs uses the KL series, while the Citaro uses the P series.

  You can check up the specifications on konvekta's website.

• Bus Stopping

  28 Sep 11, 01:10

  Oh, and while looking up the data for the air conditioning units, i found out something rather interesting.

  Did you know that SMB136C has a less powerful aircon compared to all the production Citaros around? Notice how it's aircon unit is shorter than the other Citaros around.

• TIB1051D

  28 Sep 11, 11:37

  Originally posted by Bus Stopping:

  Oh, and while looking up the data for the air conditioning units, i found out something rather interesting.

  Did you know that SMB136C has a less powerful aircon compared to all the production Citaros around? Notice how it's aircon unit is shorter than the other Citaros around.

  it does not necessarily means that a shorter air-conditioning unit will mean lesser power produced by the unit. in fact the air-conditioning is much better on 136C than the rest of the Citaros around. this is based on personal experiences.

• Bus Stopping

  28 Sep 11, 12:50

  Originally posted by TIB1051D:

  it does not necessarily means that a shorter air-conditioning unit will mean lesser power produced by the unit. in fact the air-conditioning is much better on 136C than the rest of the Citaros around. this is based on personal experiences.

  However the specification sheet from konvekta says otherwise, SMB136C is equipped with a P700 which is only 2.7meters long. The production Citaros are equipped with a longer version either P800 or P900 that is 50cm longer at 3.2meters. You can visibily see the difference in length. Needless to say, the power of the P800 and P900 is more than the P700.

• chickenlittle2

  28 Sep 11, 15:10

  So next time you see why the kerb along the bus bay turns black then you know is caused by which bus.

• ghost79

  28 Sep 11, 15:21

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  So next time you see why the kerb along the bus bay turns black then you know is caused by which bus.

  These iconic award-winning buses leave their Mark on the roads of Singapore

• CITARO LOV3R

  28 Sep 11, 18:25

  Originally posted by TIB1051D:

  it does not necessarily means that a shorter air-conditioning unit will mean lesser power produced by the unit. in fact the air-conditioning is much better on 136C than the rest of the Citaros around. this is based on personal experiences.

  i 2nd that

• SMB128B

  29 Sep 11, 13:29

  Originally posted by SBS7484P:

  Let's see, I like neither.

  I'd prefer the best of both worlds though.

   

  - Citaro engine.
  - Citaro Voith Gearbox.
  - Citaro Suspension.
  
  - KUB doors (They don't give much trouble. Citaro doors never seem to work right.)
  - KUB layout sans steps (Better flow)
  - KUB 'eyeball ducts' (Face it, if you can't see the vents, you can't feel the A/C.)
  - KUB seats (They're suited for Asians. Sure, I'm short but I'm not a midget.)

  SBS6067U's exit doors can never close in some occations. the BC has to take several attempts to get them closed.

• TIB770T

  29 Sep 11, 19:17

  I personally prefer the KUBs to the Citaros. I don't mind the screaming engine of the KUBs, that's the least of my concern (Besides, I like loud engines ). The air-con, in my opinion, is colder on the KUBs than the Citaros. Vibrations, Citaros score better, but still, I prefer the KUBs as somehow, I don't really care about the vibrations to be honest.

  This is just my opinion.

• Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1)

  29 Sep 11, 20:16

  for
  
  i ok with both of them
  
  but citaro look more nicer
  
  OC Better

• CITARO LOV3R

  29 Sep 11, 22:08

  Originally posted by Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1):

  for
  
  i ok with both of them
  
  but citaro look more nicer
  
  OC Better

  i think best solution out will be Citaro with OC a/c thingy... i think eyeball will look weird on Citaro...

• SBS3688Y

  29 Sep 11, 22:23

  Originally posted by TIB770T:

  I personally prefer the KUBs to the Citaros. I don't mind the screaming engine of the KUBs, that's the least of my concern (Besides, I like loud engines ). The air-con, in my opinion, is colder on the KUBs than the Citaros. Vibrations, Citaros score better, but still, I prefer the KUBs as somehow, I don't really care about the vibrations to be honest.

  This is just my opinion.

  
  IMO, I'd say the vibrations were very common and terrible initially. I can see the stanchion poles vibrating terribly, especially the wheelchair area. But I feel that the vibrations have reduced nowadays and is satisfactory; including the Euro IV buses. The loud engines are found on a few buses but majority of them are ok. I believe some of the "disobedient" buses need some fine-tuning and coupled with bus captains who can handle the KUBs well, the ride on KUBs would be satisfactory.
• chickenlittle2

  29 Sep 11, 23:19

  Citaro AC is worst than Sunlong AC??

• SMB66X

  30 Sep 11, 15:58

  Originally posted by CITARO LOV3R:

  both OC and Citaro have the same strong power Konvekta A/C. Its just the way the cold air is channeled to the passengers, and it just so happens that the OCs do it better. 

  KUB/Citaro engine hot..but not really for OCs..

• chickenlittle2

  30 Sep 11, 17:56

  Originally posted by Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1):

  
  
  but citaro look more nicer
  

  
  I think is personal preference.

• CITARO LOV3R

  30 Sep 11, 22:46

  Originally posted by SMB66X:

  KUB/Citaro engine hot..but not really for OCs..

  i thot usually Merc engines hotter? 

• SBS 1000U

  1 Oct 11, 21:01

  I still prefer Citaros over the KUBs.

  Citaros:

  Strenghts:

  - Looks better, more rigid and better quality build

  - Smoother and faster engine

  - Stepless aisle

  - Lower in height and thus don't take up higher spaces.

  Weakness:

  - Weak aircon.

  - Narrow aisle at the rear

  K230UBs

  Strenghts:

  - Better air con

  - Rear aisle wider but need to climb steps

  - Exterior design looks good, although not as good as the Citaros, but better than OCs.

  Weakness:

  - Lesser seats

  - Inferior body work that vibrates and some internal parts still vibrating

  - Noisy radiator noise

  - Need to climb up 2 high steps to the rear part of the best, commuter unfriendly 

  - 1100 of them. Too much of them.

  - Engine seems to be powerful but seems less torque than the Citaros.

• SBS 1000U

  1 Oct 11, 21:31

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  Citaro AC is worst than Sunlong AC??

  
  Almost the same.

  But Citaro rides are way better than the Sunlongs...