Serangoon Bus Interchange opens 3rd September (Sat)
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
i was hoping that one of 81 or 82 would be extended to cover the route, but apparently nice things like that never happen. maybe you can still suggest though.
Well, if they cut Svc 105, I doubt they will do anything but extend the service.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Get this, I also have my demand, you've your demand, so now, how to balance everyone's need? Defintely bus - bus system is one way.
Elderly is another issue, but take a look at the usual Singaporeans behaviour. I surveyed Pioneer station for quite some time, even some thoughts turns out to be true.
It's not demeaning, for there's lots of unacceptable behaviour i.e. not moving to upper deck. Now you deprive others of a boarding chance, complain what? The world dun go around yourself, it evolves with everyone.
If I can walk under the hot sun, I've never complained knowing there's no way every single bus sv can suit me.
As for feeders, wasn't there 241? Furthermore, it's becoming clear as the new town develops further and how lopsided it is located for the BIs say Sengkang, feeder/ trunk concept would slowly kick in. Then what about the last MRT train?
Things dun stick with no new feeders or whatever forever, it's how it evolves for the better of everyone's overall travelling needs.
The amendment of Service 105 doesn't affect me as much as you like it to be. The effect is there, but negligible.
Does it bite you that I want to fight for the convenience of Serangoon residents?
Your survey of Pioneer station doesn't mean anything. It's just a small sample and not representative of the situation of Singapore. Besides who gave you the authority to make claims that cannot substantiated?
If you want to walk under the sun and rain or snow for what matter, that's you. Why must you force everybody to be like you? Talk about the world revolving around me, you are the one who thinks the world revolves around you.
And you conveniently push the issue of the needs of the elderly aside? How clever!
The issue 105 is not asking for new connections but to preserve existing connections.
Students would be affected, they have to spend more time travelling.
supremebull> People around Serangoon Ave 2 can still walk to take 73, as for those in Boundary Road, the amendment would be inconvenient for them.
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Originally posted by gorby107:
Same here for the latter :(
Would be better for 82 to start from/end at Pgl Rd End
Unlike last time when Punggol Road End / Jln Kayu Terminals had starters stationed there on duty. The 2 a/m bus terminals had been abolished after the NEL rationalisation took place in late 2003.Service 82 should have cutback to terminate at Hougang Central instead.
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
The amendment of Service 105 doesn't affect me as much as you like it to be. The effect is there, but negligible.
Does it bite you that I want to fight for the convenience of Serangoon residents?
Your survey of Pioneer station doesn't mean anything. It's just a small sample and not representative of the situation of Singapore. Besides who gave you the authority to make claims that cannot substantiated?
If you want to walk under the sun and rain or snow for what matter, that's you. Why must you force everybody to be like you? Talk about the world revolving around me, you are the one who thinks the world revolves around you.
And you conveniently push the issue of the needs of the elderly aside? How clever!
The issue 105 is not asking for new connections but to preserve existing connections.
Students would be affected, they have to spend more time travelling.
supremebull> People around Serangoon Ave 2 can still walk to take 73, as for those in Boundary Road, the amendment would be inconvenient for them.
First thing, like I've said, does it mean for the sake of a long dist route making 1 squarish round around the Town Centre? Didn't the feeder bus concept appeared because of this? Why are we rewinding what was done?
Obvious things aren't consistent all these years, but does it mean we keep on continuing to it?
Students? Dun they can take 109, alight at last bus stop and walk into school along Ave 3? Yah, it means gotta leave 1x bus trip earlier.
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zilchster and jay > was focusing on the lost link between boundary/ave 2 and toa payoh. thinking along the lines of boundary rd passengers taking a bus one/two stops to lor chuan and then transferring to 73...
is there significant human traffic between toa payoh and boundary/serangoon?
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look like all new a/c bus interchange is including of 2 office except for TPY
AMK & BL got SMRT office. however BL nv put SMRT logo leh =_=
S'GOON & SK will be empty as SMRT no office there...
not fair sia.. SBS operate all a/c INT & SMRT none? cant wait for yishun to hav its a/c int in future!
anyway SBS oso no office @ woodlands int cos nv c the "2nd office"?
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Yishun also don't have SBST office...
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I think Boon Lay will be the most suay bus int ever...
Not enough parking lots during mealbreaks.
But thanks to it, MND or LTA are thinking twice abt bus int size.. Hopes so
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I think Boon Lay will be the most suay bus int ever...
Not enough parking lots during mealbreaks.
But thanks to it, MND or LTA are thinking twice abt bus int size.. Hopes so
I remember there were plans mentioned to open another new interchange at Joo Koon MRT but till now nothing has been done... -
Originally posted by SBS8675B:
I remember there were plans mentioned to open another new interchange at Joo Koon MRT but till now nothing has been done...
That one...Not meant to be discussed in public domain
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Originally posted by supremebull:
zilchster and jay > was focusing on the lost link between boundary/ave 2 and toa payoh. thinking along the lines of boundary rd passengers taking a bus one/two stops to lor chuan and then transferring to 73...
is there significant human traffic between toa payoh and boundary/serangoon?
Can't really quantify the human traffic between TPY and Bounday/Serangoon in terms of numbers, but I'm not pleased with the 105 amendment either. In the immediate Sgn Ave 4 / Boundary Rd vicinity, the people have lost a direct link to Toa Payoh and Orchard. Not to mention the people who stay along YCK who do not have 73 to TPY nor a direct service to Scotts/Orchard too.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Any case, for Sv 105's Boundary Rd loading. What I noticed is majority travels up to S'goon Ave 3, mostly bus - bus transfer.
Can you back up your observations? From my experience and my numerous trips on 105 this isn't the case?
Besides, your bulk of your argument, which revolves around the needs of the elderly, 241 (as usual), your PERSONAL habits blah blah blah - is clearly off-tangent to the amendment of 105!
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Originally posted by gohby:
Can you back up your observations? From my experience and my numerous trips on 105 this isn't the case?
Besides, your bulk of your argument, which revolves around the needs of the elderly, 241 (as usual), your PERSONAL habits blah blah blah - is clearly off-tangent to the amendment of 105!
I've taken a number of trips, seriously there are times I ended up being the only commuter into Braddell Rd from Boundary Rd.Many alight at S'goon Ave 3.
As for 241, go take a look how many empty 241A brunched up prior to this week. 4x empty LO3x! Then if your see it in your personal eyes, I guess many would question why so many buses right? Looks is much more believing. Why it's frowned upon, points to the cramped Pioneer Stn bus stop.
As for the elderly, like I've said, in such cases the winding long dist route overides this. Why should the bus incurr additional 10 mins of run time, 2x buses for the long winding route? Then comes to this issue, should it even stop at Town Centre bus stop which is a small bus stop to begin with? You stop, all the 8 or so bus svs all would jam pack the bus stop.
You've to strike a balance. It does not mean for this case, you've to suit to everyone. You can't suit everyone.
Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I've taken a number of trips, seriously there are times I ended up being the only commuter into Braddell Rd from Boundary Rd.Many alight at S'goon Ave 3.
As for 241, go take a look how many empty 241A brunched up prior to this week. 4x empty LO3x! Then if your see it in your personal eyes, I guess many would question why so many buses right? Looks is much more believing. Why it's frowned upon, points to the cramped Pioneer Stn bus stop.
As for the elderly, like I've said, in such cases the winding long dist route overides this. Why should the bus incurr additional 10 mins of run time, 2x buses for the long winding route? Then comes to this issue, should it even stop at Town Centre bus stop which is a small bus stop to begin with? You stop, all the 8 or so bus svs all would jam pack the bus stop.
You've to strike a balance. It does not mean for this case, you've to suit to everyone. You can't suit everyone.
Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3.
Why are you ranting incessantly about how sucky (& empty) 241A is or about the elderly? They are irrelevant to 105's scenario here. I repeat, THEY ARE IRRELEVANT - so stop your senseless spamming / tenuous linkings here.
Jamming and packing the bus stop doesn't apply here because those stops along Boundary Road / Serangoon Ave 2 that 105 will not ply are not susceptible to such jams.
Yes, we have to strike a balance. But where is the balance? Often, the balance is not as clear as it seems. For every link that is lost, commuters are subjected to more inconvenience. However it is not fair to judge 105's balance based on YOUR preferences/personal habits.
You say you've taken a number of trips. That sounds so dubious. I've taken dozens of trips having stayed in the vicinity for so long - and no, I don't observe what you've observed!
"Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3."
So, let me ask you - if you're residing around Sgn Ave 4, Sgn Central Drive (Blks 257, etc), YCK area, Serangoon, and you need to go to Toa Payoh/Orchard, what's the bus you'll take? 105!
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Indeed, I was surprised at the loss of Sv 105 for Boundary Rd residents. Not forgetting the hordes of people who board the bus at Blk 238 headed out of S'goon in the morning, these people are not going to be pleased.
The pax onboard leaving this stop can easily hit 35 per trip, and the bus comes anywhere between 8 to 11 minutes during peak hours, so that means we have about 210 residents making a detour to S'goon Int every hour during peak periods just to transfer to Sv 105. For day off-peak periods, it can be as high as about 150 every hour as there is a constant stream of people who go to Orchard or Toa Payoh for transfers throughout the day.
Forcing them to take Sv 73 is not the best solution because, based on observation, headway is rather erratic during peak periods and every trip can see pax onboard of 50. Add 35 people in for every trip and the loading hits 97%.
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The only way residents can react is to shift to Sv 53 and Sv 156 and change to trains at Bishan instead of Toa Payoh. Things still don't look rosy for those headed for Far East Plaza, Orchard or Holland Rd.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
First thing, like I've said, does it mean for the sake of a long dist route making 1 squarish round around the Town Centre? Didn't the feeder bus concept appeared because of this? Why are we rewinding what was done?
Obvious things aren't consistent all these years, but does it mean we keep on continuing to it?
Students? Dun they can take 109, alight at last bus stop and walk into school along Ave 3? Yah, it means gotta leave 1x bus trip earlier.
You're really itching for an argument.
Don't get me started on the circuitous routing out of interchanges. Since we're at amending 105, let's cut the Toh Guan Rd sector since it's making one whole big loop before it gets to Boon Lay Way, since 52 duplicates it all the way to Clementi.
How about Svc 54 which makes one big circuitous routing in Bishan.
Let's cut Svc 55/58 too so they can follow 53 route into the interchange.
Better still cut parts of Svc 8, 28, 39 route.
Also cut 133, 136, why go one big round when they can use AMK Ave 8 instead.
Let's also cut 74. 147, it can follow 132/165's route instead. Isn't that faster?
Then replace all these deleted sectors with feeder services.
Svc 325 also makes a circuitous journey out of Hougang Central.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
The only way residents can react is to shift to Sv 53 and Sv 156 and change to trains at Bishan instead of Toa Payoh. Things still don't look rosy for those headed for Far East Plaza, Orchard or Holland Rd.
Considering 156 has a horrible frequency. Yikes.The only way residents should react is to see their MP and get him to do something about it.
Otherwise, what use is the MP?
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Originally posted by supremebull:
zilchster and jay > was focusing on the lost link between boundary/ave 2 and toa payoh. thinking along the lines of boundary rd passengers taking a bus one/two stops to lor chuan and then transferring to 73...
is there significant human traffic between toa payoh and boundary/serangoon?
I won't say heavy traffic, but there's traffic nonetheless. Generally people in Serangoon Avenue 4, those living along Boundary Road and Block 210/209 in Serangoon Central would still be affected nonetheless.It is possible to take a bus and transfer to 73, but 73 has erratic schedules. I rely on this service quite often. It's not so much about the bus fare, but really the extra time spent commuting.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I've taken a number of trips, seriously there are times I ended up being the only commuter into Braddell Rd from Boundary Rd.Many alight at S'goon Ave 3.
As for 241, go take a look how many empty 241A brunched up prior to this week. 4x empty LO3x! Then if your see it in your personal eyes, I guess many would question why so many buses right? Looks is much more believing. Why it's frowned upon, points to the cramped Pioneer Stn bus stop.
As for the elderly, like I've said, in such cases the winding long dist route overides this. Why should the bus incurr additional 10 mins of run time, 2x buses for the long winding route? Then comes to this issue, should it even stop at Town Centre bus stop which is a small bus stop to begin with? You stop, all the 8 or so bus svs all would jam pack the bus stop.
You've to strike a balance. It does not mean for this case, you've to suit to everyone. You can't suit everyone.
Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3.
There are people who board and alight from the bus at the Serangoon Avenue 2 bus stop.
Making them walk 400 metres isn't a good idea of convenience.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
First thing, like I've said, does it mean for the sake of a long dist route making 1 squarish round around the Town Centre? Didn't the feeder bus concept appeared because of this? Why are we rewinding what was done?
Obvious things aren't consistent all these years, but does it mean we keep on continuing to it?
Students? Dun they can take 109, alight at last bus stop and walk into school along Ave 3? Yah, it means gotta leave 1x bus trip earlier.
Ok, I'm now a student in Peicai Secondary and I live in Toa Payoh Lor 4, tell me what bus do I take then?I live in Serangoon Avenue 4 and I study at the Australian School or St Gabriel's Primary School, tell me, what bus to I take then? It becomes ridiculous that a journey over a short distance would end up a change of service. Ridiculous.
I live in Serangoon Avenue 4, along Boundary Rd and I study in a school in Toa Payoh that requires me to change buses, so now I end up having to take 3 buses. Is this what you call convenience?
And not forgetting 105 is the only link to Serangoon from Orchard area after Express 502 was rationalised.
Well, they can leave 1x bus trip earlier, which means they have less time for rest. That's no good for their health.
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Originally posted by TIB1010Y:
look like all new a/c bus interchange is including of 2 office except for TPY
AMK & BL got SMRT office. however BL nv put SMRT logo leh =_=
S'GOON & SK will be empty as SMRT no office there...
not fair sia.. SBS operate all a/c INT & SMRT none? cant wait for yishun to hav its a/c int in future!
anyway SBS oso no office @ woodlands int cos nv c the "2nd office"?
For Yishun & Woodlands coming soon,Currently there're using SBST telephone outside the SMRT office to call the timekeeper at their other respective Interchange.SGN,SK & TPY no need SMRT timekeeper office.SGN/TPY no SMRT svc terminate there.SK 965 only loop.Previously theres telephone for 965 AMDEP SL to report duty or call WDL Int office.Changi Airport should do so.Lor 1 got SBST BC cabin for svc 11 & 175.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I think Boon Lay will be the most suay bus int ever...
Not enough parking lots during mealbreaks.
But thanks to it, MND or LTA are thinking twice abt bus int size.. Hopes so
yes i agree: bus wit end- on berth only got 2 lot. LOL!
anyway AMK, BL, TPY, SG alighting berth no code? only S'goon hav code? berth(A1), berth(A2)?
S'goon and SK lack of parking space n berth? hence tat y 81, 82 force to move out?
n i think its time to upgrade s'goon svc to WAB. i think 1st svc will b 100
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actually 105 should just take the long way into sgoon int....
if 28 can do it in tampines, why cant 105....
there are many towns where the trunk services make a big round in the town before calling at the interchange...
Tampines : 8, 28
Bedok : 14
PSR : 518
SBST needs to make 105 go the long way...... -
looking at a map...
it seems that IF 105 went the long way round Serangoon, those coming from TPY/Orchard/Lor Chuan and who need to get to Serangoon Int/NEX in a hurry could alight at the Ave 3 bus stop and cut across blks 330-335 to get to the interchange