SMRT orders 10 electric buses from BYD
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
SMRT Ayer Rajah Depot can minor control svc like 167,851,65,93.RWS8 also near to the depot itself.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
You can't blame the company for not doing well. Even if SBS Transit take over 966, it's still the same. No matter what buses they are using, it all depends on the traffic. Even 1 Double Deck bus come, it will get full load and people got to wait for an hour due to traffic jam.
Even if I convert 67 bendies all into full day start (AM and KJ), People will still complain.
Likewise, the same. No matter how many DDs are there for a full day start, If people can find ways to complain, They will.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
SMRT Buses should get the Volvo B9TL 2 axles 310hp option with length of 10.8m AC!
Buy more Citaro batch 11 and Volvo B9L 260hp.Better than buying a small bulk of piece of junk buses from one particular country.550 rigids and 350 2 axles DDs for their fleets is more than enough.
Very true.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
The solution is simple. Given all the Northwest services back to SBS and/or to another operator. Kick SMRTB out of the market. If the public transport system is that efficient in the area, then why would people still want to drive despite ERP and high parking charges? I believe congestion is not just the car problem but the relentless population boom here which makes transportation to another place more difficult because everyone wants to go everywhere in Singapore but yet because of this, the movement becomes clogged and slower because of the huge numbers of people trying to move one place to another at the same time, within the limited limits. If population is lower and better capacity infrastructures are being built, would Singaporeans be deprived of their own basic needs which have to be brainwashed by the government as kind of luxury? Who likes to crowd in a train everyday for their rest of their 50 years of working life after working 9 to 6 everyday? Like wise for HDB flats. If they can't keep up with the demand, then stop increasing the population and making profits out of HDB flats due to the situation of demand supress supply, and depriving the basic costs and purpose of a HDB flat. Lastly, running along expressways doesn't mean an excuse to provide poor services. Problem lies with the poor management of the bus operations. If it is said that jammed expressways always hinder bus operations, then why services like 36, 161, 168, 502, 518 and even 190, 857 still have better frequncies?Well, although i stand on the same side as you with regards to smrtb giving up their operations, its for a slightly different reason. My reason being that it is simply unacceptable for a major rail company to own a bus operations with overlapping service areas anywhere in the world.
I give a simple example. For e.g, from yishun, If the trains towards city are packed, there's always a slighly slower alternative (857). The concern here is that because smrt rather concentrate on making their trains pack more ppl, they neglate the buses. If 857 was operated by another company, it is very likely they may increase the frequency by adding more vehicles to snatch some of the load from the trains. But this does not happen when smrtb is in control because they can earn more from packing more people into trains!
This is not the same with sbst, because their rail operations is only within the neast boundary, and does not extend island wide. Another example is that, even the MTRC bus services in N.T HK do not overlap with their train services, they merely assist to expand the train's reach to areas not within their stations.
If this is not easy to understand, another way to put it is simply that areas such as yishun, sembawang, woodlands, bpj, cck, bb are all basically stuck in a monopoly, with smrt controlling almost all transportation options. This is very unacceptable imo.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
The solution is simple. Given all the Northwest services back to SBS and/or to another operator. Kick SMRTB out of the market. If the public transport system is that efficient in the area, then why would people still want to drive despite ERP and high parking charges? I believe congestion is not just the car problem but the relentless population boom here which makes transportation to another place more difficult because everyone wants to go everywhere in Singapore but yet because of this, the movement becomes clogged and slower because of the huge numbers of people trying to move one place to another at the same time, within the limited limits. If population is lower and better capacity infrastructures are being built, would Singaporeans be deprived of their own basic needs which have to be brainwashed by the government as kind of luxury? Who likes to crowd in a train everyday for their rest of their 50 years of working life after working 9 to 6 everyday? Like wise for HDB flats. If they can't keep up with the demand, then stop increasing the population and making profits out of HDB flats due to the situation of demand supress supply, and depriving the basic costs and purpose of a HDB flat. Lastly, running along expressways doesn't mean an excuse to provide poor services. Problem lies with the poor management of the bus operations. If it is said that jammed expressways always hinder bus operations, then why services like 36, 161, 168, 502, 518 and even 190, 857 still have better frequncies?Also, it may be a simple solution, but as someone previously mentioned in this forum, its not easy to simply kickout or replace smrtb with a new company in a short period of time. Time is needed to train mechanics, and support staff. Time is also needed to setup depots. Inheriting the old company directly may also bring over the old practices, so this option should be considered carefully.
Yes, i totally agree that if the public transport in that area is so effective, no one will want to drive, but this is in theory. In reality and as you've probably learnt in econs, people (demand) takes time to change, if u already owned a car, would you leave the car lying in the carpark just because the public transport is so efficient? (supply shot up, demand needs time to catch up) If you have driven to work and enjoyed the convienience, its not easy to adapt and change back to public transport as it appears in theory. In fact, if u drive to work everyday and everywhere you go, you might even forget the mrt system map. Its not even hard to find examples of this, try asking relatives or friends who drives everywhere they go.
And lastly, regarding 966. It's true that with a terminating point (instead of a loop) there will be some improvements to the stability of the frequency. But remember that terminating points only acts as a buffer. Once this buffer is breached, its still possible to end up with haywire frequency. And, its not very fair to compare 36,161,168,502,518,857 to 966. They dont even run on the same expressway. As for 190, 190 only uses 10km of expressway, 966 uses nearly 24km to marine parade (of which nearly 17km of pie is prone to jam) and 190's freq is better. A service that might be used for comparison is 506 which uses 20km of pie. But, its not a looping service, so unless you are boarding from bedok reservoir onwards to UEC, you wont get affected. (of course this is subjected to the buffer time at terminal not being breached)
Just typing out my thoughts, cheers
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MTRC's bus sv wasn't from MTRC, it was from KCRC.
Next, over 966 it can be managed.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
MTRC's bus sv wasn't from MTRC, it was from KCRC.
Next, over 966 it can be managed.
MTRC's bus services was taken over from KCRC.
Before the take over of the operations, KCRC also did not operate both trunk services and rail services with overlapping/duplicating destinations. It was mainly intra-town based to enhance the reach of the rail services. This has not change since MTRC took over.
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SMRT has a bad reputation . There must be a good reason why...its as simple as that.
Its perception and practice and not plain theory that makes this impression and SMRT fails miserably in that.
I dont think my friends would even dream of taking 965 again after I pointed out going that way to Sembawang would be faster than taking 161 to Woodlands and switching to NS line. Definitely not after waiting for 35 min on a crowded weekend. Nope. I dont care if the svc loops or what. If it sucks, it sucks. And 161 has DDs to boot. What has 965 have?
And I'm NOT going to take 171 ever again if I can help it. NEVER.
In short, SMRT is a debacle. And 966 is just a reflection of that compounded by traffic issues.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
MTRC's bus services was taken over from KCRC.
Before the take over of the operations, KCRC also did not operate both trunk services and rail services with overlapping/duplicating destinations. It was mainly intra-town based to enhance the reach of the rail services. This has not change since MTRC took over.
It's more like SG's feeder sv isn't it?As for West Rail, it was their rights aft British govt revoked KMB's feeder bus license into the area.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
SMRT has a bad reputation . There must be a good reason why...its as simple as that.
Its perception and practice and not plain theory that makes this impression and SMRT fails miserably in that.
I dont think my friends would even dream of taking 965 again after I pointed out going that way to Sembawang would be faster than taking 161 to Woodlands and switching to NS line. Definitely not after waiting for 35 min on a crowded weekend. Nope. I dont care if the svc loops or what. If it sucks, it sucks. And 161 has DDs to boot. What has 965 have?
And I'm NOT going to take 171 ever again if I can help it. NEVER.
In short, SMRT is a debacle. And 966 is just a reflection of that compounded by traffic issues.
That's right, but perception by the public only help to identify the problem, and does not give any solutions to it. 100 ppl rant about a svc, they may tell u its improved, but actually, how much of improvement does it really bring?
I would also like to rant about my experiences with both sbst and smrt, 40 mins for 502 and faulty iris w/ ninja buses that do not appear. 30mins for 180 at bnl. But all this does not show the real problem within which i believe which is the lack of healthy competition.
The problem is with smrt controlling nearly all public transportation options in certain areas of the island. To them, anyone leaving the area they will automatically get the business. There's no alternative at all. And since adding more bus trips from such areas will reduce their train pax, so they rather not do that which is probably why their services has been so lackluster.
Those areas with smrt trains and sbst trunk services, you can see that ppl really consider taking the buses, because the services operated by sbst can be on par with the trains in terms of travel duration. But not the case in yishun, wdl, bb, cck, bpj yet.
The solution, of course is the split up the rail and bus operations so that they give a real alternative to the commuters. Who would still take the trains if the bus services are just as good, and just as consistent. But this is up to the ptc and lta to act.
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And going back to a related topic, i think kmb's gBus makes more of a viable solution of a electric bus.
It currently can go up to 5km (shld be able to be extended with more super capacitors) and charges in just 1 min. Although we dont have much routes with a distance of 5km, but this can see use in super short feeder routes like 806. Recharging can be done while layover at int since it takes only a minute.
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Competition brings a host of other problems with it. The current status quo seems to be working...albeit only with heavy govt intervention.
SMRT just needs to work on its bus sector la.
Can you imagine SMRT handling services like 74 with its completely jam-prone and human flooded route? I guarantee you, sure die.
Granted, I would usually pick 854 over 25.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Competition brings a host of other problems with it. The current status quo seems to be working...albeit only with heavy govt intervention.
SMRT just needs to work on its bus sector la.
Can you imagine SMRT handling services like 74 with its completely jam-prone and human flooded route? I guarantee you, sure die.
Granted, I would usually pick 854 over 25.
Well, i forgot to specify that its generally competition between rail and buses. A strong alternative to trains with buses will only do us good, and offload some demand on trains.
I still dont see how smrt can do this without hurting their shareholders' interests however.
But, if comparing smrt and sbst svcs that goes the same way, i would take smrt svcs too providing they come at about the same time. It just "feels" faster w/sl trying to go fast.
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well, if i am CEO of SMRT, i will tell my bus division....
"knn! don't buy any more buses! wait for DTL to be ready we sure have a lot of buses! then we can withdraw 67/190/700/960 & shorten 171 to bukit panjang!" -
Originally posted by sinicker:
well, if i am CEO of SMRT, i will tell my bus division....
"knn! don't buy any more buses! wait for DTL to be ready we sure have a lot of buses! then we can withdraw 67/190/700/960 & shorten 171 to bukit panjang!"
Wat if DTL is given to SBST???die!
67 evening CBD bound's loading alrdy kena teruk teruk w/ 170's better local ops alrdy. 170's MKIII can have standees from Upp Bt Timah all the way to Newton at least.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Wat if DTL is given to SBST???die!
Same thoughts, if DTL is not given to SMRT, then they can really close shop. They lose pax to DTL, and they lose their bus services demand.
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I would still take bus if DTL resembles a can of sardines which I suspect would be.
BUT only if SMRT do something about their buses.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I would still take bus if DTL resembles a can of sardines which I suspect would be.
BUT only if SMRT do something about their buses.
somehow i see their sv75 cuitaros getting cui by each day.quite a few now emit smoke when accelerating out of bus stop.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
somehow i see their sv75 cuitaros getting cui by each day.quite a few now emit smoke when accelerating out of bus stop.
Well, i certainly enjoy the ride more on sv75's citaro compared to those running on sv138. The quicker gearchanges coupled with smrt's sl aggressive driving makes me feel happier when i take one of those, especially at night if its the last trip for the sl.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Well, i certainly enjoy the ride more on sv75's citaro compared to those running on sv138. The quicker gearchanges coupled with smrt's sl aggressive driving makes me feel happier when i take one of those, especially at night if its the last trip for the sl.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
somehow i see their sv75 cuitaros getting cui by each day.quite a few now emit smoke when accelerating out of bus stop.
Actually I dunno why the new buses these days turn out to so chui after a few years.Compared to the B10Ms and the 0405s, the good old Olympians and even the VSOs, I find this puzzling.
But it might be that the new buses are more complex and have more constraints in their designs now and are hence less reliable.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
but i see the way they drive, i don't see those citaros lasting for long.Haha, thats alright. I've seen commercial vehicles by another german manufacturer subjected to this kind of torture too. The engines holds up pretty well. But as for the transmission... we'll know in a few years time.
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one reason i believe is due to the fact they don't get demostrators.
the mechanics dunno how to maintain = can learn.
coz they purchase in bulk, end up e rest oso is farked up standard.
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
In my opinion, I'd rather GLBP be used for those central services though, eg 106,67,167 etc.
Why GLBP control 106?
All of them already have 2 depots controlling them. Surely, you dun want 3 depots to control them ba.
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Originally posted by SMB116K:
Why GLBP control 106?
All of them already have 2 depots controlling them. Surely, you dun want 3 depots to control them ba.
GLBP for centralized location if you didn't notice
SE ones I feel it is better off for WL services like 856, Not that I am a WLDEP freak but WL is nearer to SE, SE to AM is like a bit far.