Bus svcs with long waiting time& irregular headway adherence
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
sv70 ~7am timing along YCK towards Shenton Way is getting worse lately. 1 DD bus schedule has been removed (9808D/ 9827Z). When the next bus comes, usually a Scania KUB, it gets packed and passengers down the road couldn’t board. At times got to skip up to 3 buses. Sometimes 9808D/9827Z replaces the Scania but is still overcrowded.
sv 43 also experiencing overcrowding problems.i second this.
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
Double-deckers or bendies, It is not much of a difference, If you feel comfortable with something, would you change it? Common sense right?
Likewise even a service has 80% full day DDs and 20% SDs, If you are a bunch lot of complaining peeps, I believe there is always excuse to complain.
I can convert full of 67's fleet into bendies and people still find it redundant.
I can subsitute 106 starting full day rigids all into split, split bendies into full day starts and you people complain it's a waste of space.
960's 5 full day rigid convert into split, in exchange for the 5 split bendies, Leaving 1 full day rigid, You can still not be satisfied.
If 167 gets bendies, You people will still complain because there isn't much bendies.
Go ahead and think, I won't go further beyond this line.
You keep saying that if SMRT bought DDs it would've solved the problem. But have you ever thought of better ideas and restrictions it might imply?
Well said, there's just so much ways to complain. Why only rigid, why no dd, why so little bendy, why drive so slow, and why frequency so instable, why frequency so long?
Why not look closer into the problem, analyze it in public and find a solution to it, propose as a suggestion. Dont simply jump to conclusion and say more DD or more bendy or better frequency will help. It can be possible to run all services at 3min freq, with a DD or bendy. But this wont recover even the cost to do it. A balance needs to be found.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Well said, there's just so much ways to complain. Why only rigid, why no dd, why so little bendy, why drive so slow, and why frequency so instable, why frequency so long?
Why not look closer into the problem, analyze it in public and find a solution to it, propose as a suggestion. Dont simply jump to conclusion and say more DD or more bendy or better frequency will help. It can be possible to run all services at 3min freq, with a DD or bendy. But this wont recover even the cost to do it. A balance needs to be found.
Suggestion still stands: God's sake, twist SMRT's arm and get it to purchase DDs la.Nor was the suggestion put blindly. As stated, services like 163 really do not need the DDs. And ok, its lousy frequency is justified....to an extent. But if you consider the fact that its the only bus that links East and West Sengkang, then I pity the people living there and any "better" input to this service is like "goodwill".
I second that 70 needs to improve reliability too.
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
Double-deckers or bendies, It is not much of a difference, If you feel comfortable with something, would you change it? Common sense right?
Likewise even a service has 80% full day DDs and 20% SDs, If you are a bunch lot of complaining peeps, I believe there is always excuse to complain.
I can convert full of 67's fleet into bendies and people still find it redundant.
I can subsitute 106 starting full day rigids all into split, split bendies into full day starts and you people complain it's a waste of space.
960's 5 full day rigid convert into split, in exchange for the 5 split bendies, Leaving 1 full day rigid, You can still not be satisfied.
If 167 gets bendies, You people will still complain because there isn't much bendies.
Go ahead and think, I won't go further beyond this line.
You keep saying that if SMRT bought DDs it would've solved the problem. But have you ever thought of better ideas and restrictions it might imply?
Then what better idea you have?
Buy more rigid and wait till sai ji ka chng? And then say ohhhhh...we dont have the facilities to support DDs....DDs are unsuitable for our ops.
And then buy more SDs.
So how is that considered "better productivity" SMRT has been "trying for" to justify the fare hike?
SBST doesnt get my ire for raising fares. Its justified in my eyes. SMRT? Fare hike for RWS8? For "free" shuttles for airshows? For MAN SD? For CCL? *snorts*
If you haven't been at the receiving end of nonsense, its only natural that you would call the above comments nonsense too.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Suggestion still stands: God's sake, twist SMRT's arm and get it to purchase DDs la.Haha, please do that. I would be more than happy to see DD on some of their key routes 969, 190, etc too.
But we all know that there's just no "force" to push them hard enough.
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Someone pointed out something which I thought was a good point:
SMRT has little incentive to improve...because if people give up on their buses, they'll take SMRT train.
And when both modes are regarded as unreliable in face of potential time constraints (late for work), still got SMRT taxi.
Perhaps economies of scale argument really doesnt work because of how SMRT views horizontal integration in that case.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Someone pointed out something which I thought was a good point:
SMRT has little incentive to improve...because if people give up on their buses, they'll take SMRT train.
And when both modes are regarded as unreliable in face of potential time constraints (late for work), still got SMRT taxi.
Perhaps economies of scale argument really doesnt work because of how SMRT views horizontal integration in that case.
Which is why i remember mentioning in my previous post somewhere, that SMRT cannot and should never be a multi modal operator.
Its a conflict of interest for them to be the largest rail operator in sg while still operating a fleet of buses that compete on their own rail network.
There's not a single example of a profit making company in this world operating trains and competing bus services together. That's because they will just improve their more profit making option (either train or bus). And there, u see why smrt buses is being neglated.
Unfortuately, our govt fails to see this.
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Make it worst is SMRT dun need to fork e MRT construction & train sets... So lagi more profitable.
Dun need to be pinned down by upfront cost.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Then what better idea you have?
Buy more rigid and wait till sai ji ka chng? And then say ohhhhh...we dont have the facilities to support DDs....DDs are unsuitable for our ops.
And then buy more SDs.
So how is that considered "better productivity" SMRT has been "trying for" to justify the fare hike?
SBST doesnt get my ire for raising fares. Its justified in my eyes. SMRT? Fare hike for RWS8? For "free" shuttles for airshows? For MAN SD? For CCL? *snorts*
If you haven't been at the receiving end of nonsense, its only natural that you would call the above comments nonsense too.
If SMRT feels comfortable with bendies, Who are we to dictate their choice, Or rather do we have the veto power to say no?
Look I might be harsh but if it doesn't work for you then forget it. You are just wasting my time.
I might not have better ideas but atleast I like things for who they are, I don't keep picking on the company's weakness like you people do.
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
If SMRT feels comfortable with bendies, Who are we to dictate their choice, Or rather do we have the veto power to say no?
Look I might be harsh but if it doesn't work for you then forget it. You are just wasting my time.
I might not have better ideas but atleast I like things for who they are, I don't keep picking on the company's weakness like you people do.
It's because you dun see it at all.Everything to u SMRT is still doing right..
But our national infrastructure is not bendy friendly. Take a look at how anti-bendies the new int are.
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I still love bendies.
Don't get rid of them! :(
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I rather don't have bendies.
They jam up roads, bus stops, bus interchanges, etc., even bus depots. And they take up too much space on these places, especially when they are almost empty. Inefficient. And at times I missed boarding my buses because of them jamming other places.
Originally posted by TIB783G:If SMRT feels comfortable with bendies, Who are we to dictate their choice, Or rather do we have the veto power to say no?
Look I might be harsh but if it doesn't work for you then forget it. You are just wasting my time.
I might not have better ideas but atleast I like things for who they are, I don't keep picking on the company's weakness like you people do.
I don't think they are comfortable with bendies, since their depots are cramped and even overfilled because of the space they waste in their depots. They already having headaches on how to park them in depots and bus interchanges. -
Bus stop shelter... You see wat happens when you're alighting when there's heavy rain..
I mean at the 2nd carriage exit.
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132 another service with long waiting time. There are so many new buses park in depot now sbs should use them now why wait? Put some into standby mode with extra drivers.
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132's scheduled freq is 10 - 15 mins for the peak direction during peak hours in the first place.
Unless it's off peak hrs, which I feel has to be addressed overall.
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
132 another service with long waiting time. There are so many new buses park in depot now sbs should use them now why wait? Put some into standby mode with extra drivers.
100% agree with you. =) -
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like tis, next day when new schedule comes in later ppl say how come for 1 week buses more frequent.
The buses are meant to replace the older MKIII and either LO3x or VO2x which are due for retirement.
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when commuters are young, they tend to love bendies, being large, long and nice to ride for long journeys
come when they grow up, in a rush, or are driving own vehicles, all start to curse at bendies
to me definitely its good that bendies will be banned/ limited. all the reasons had been mentioned above...
SMRT is not doing any stakeholders a favour if they procure more bendies, not when the infrastructure is suitable for double deckers
Go to orchard road YMCA or meridian or PS bus stop.. a handful of bendies enough to cause an upset all the way to somerset.. -
Originally posted by sbst275:
132's scheduled freq is 10 - 15 mins for the peak direction during peak hours in the first place.
Unless it's off peak hrs, which I feel has to be addressed overall.
nowadays 132 and 165 are like BFF... always move together from HG ave 8 to the up thomson road together
both svcs freq quite jialat also.. can hit 18mins at night, 15mins in afternoons... -
Originally posted by 105090:
nowadays 132 and 165 are like BFF... always move together from HG ave 8 to the up thomson road together
both svcs freq quite jialat also.. can hit 18mins at night, 15mins in afternoons...
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151 & 154 more classic BFF. hahahaOriginally posted by 105090:nowadays 132 and 165 are like BFF... always move together from HG ave 8 to the up thomson road together
both svcs freq quite jialat also.. can hit 18mins at night, 15mins in afternoons...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
40, 42, 58 have pretty low off peak demand. Their close to 20 mins off peak freq is justified.JIS of course off peak freq is not tat frequent la.
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Originally posted by service_238:
151 & 154 more classic BFF. hahaha
what is BFF? -
Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
what is BFF?Best friends forever
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Originally posted by 105090:
when commuters are young, they tend to love bendies, being large, long and nice to ride for long journeys
come when they grow up, in a rush, or are driving own vehicles, all start to curse at bendies
to me definitely its good that bendies will be banned/ limited. all the reasons had been mentioned above...
SMRT is not doing any stakeholders a favour if they procure more bendies, not when the infrastructure is suitable for double deckers
Go to orchard road YMCA or meridian or PS bus stop.. a handful of bendies enough to cause an upset all the way to somerset..Esp bendies always get "fireworks" it's like very scary to think of....
Seriously, the "territorial" distribution of routes restricted deployment of certain routes, i.e. 851, 854 not able to get DD while some routes like airport routes, 261 might fare just as well operating in SMRT fleet since they are full sd which i doubt bendies can work with them also. But of course infrastructure wise la, cos depot location is a limitation and u can't let ur off service buses to run "cross country" to waste fuel.
Wonder is it permissible for PTC to "shuffle the tiles", and for instance North region, we can put things like 57, 130, 162 (feeders maybe?) to SMRT and from Yishun side 851 "marry" to SBS Transit. Just 851 i guess it can garner the revenue of losing 57, 162 to SMRT
.For 854 i cant say the same thing - if the original 25 got axed and ppl adopt a 854 to 74/132 transfer next time? Die