Bus svcs with long waiting time& irregular headway adherence
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Fren u put 3,12,40,143,190,960,401,502,518, u see.take these buses frequently?!
Or you will see the timings from SBST/SMRT website, If not DUN ANYHOW WHACK
sv190 already have daily evening downtrip departures from outside YMCA
966 is as regular as can be coz i see the bus everyday, if off schedule, die to jams AND NOT BUS not dispatch on time
401 is a park service more than adequate...CAN YOU PLEASE READ, Acx?
Quote: Junyang700
Frequent frequencies, but demand exceeds supply most of the time, especially during off peak hours. - Svcs 190, 960,
Did I say the frequency of 190 and 960 is bad?
And 966 has good frequencies only during peak hours with all the downroutes. You usually have to wait 15 - 20 mins during off peak hours and even peak hours. You only observe it during PM Peak and you take it that the frequency is very good for the whole day, how observant you are.
I agree that I dont take some of the services, but I did not anyhow whack like you've said. -
966 has consistently made the list of "horrible frequency" service. There must be good reasons for that.
I had a taste of that myself. You can have 2-3 15s coming and the 966 still hasn't arrived. Mind you....15's frequency isn't terribly good either, just so-so.
171 is another one. 852?
SBST side, 147's frequency has been going downhill since NEL came to being, for obvious reasons, though not entirely justifiable with its still sizeable load.
And if I thought 151 had a horrible frequency (from HG), its next-queue brother 51 is possibly worse.
And of course, 156. Well-known for lack of reliability.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
966 has consistently made the list of "horrible frequency" service. There must be good reasons for that.
I had a taste of that myself. You can have 2-3 15s coming and the 966 still hasn't arrived. Mind you....15's frequency isn't terribly good either, just so-so.
171 is another one.
SBST side, 147's frequency has been going downhill since NEL came to being, for obvious reasons, though not entirely justifiable with its still sizeable load.
And if I thought 151 had a horrible frequency (from HG), its next-queue brother 51 is possibly worse.
And of course, 156. Well-known for lack of reliability.
The S'goon Nth crowd is still there.Ytd saw 70M packed like siao
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At best, 147's frequency is so-so. At worst, you can listen to your mp3s and finish half your playlist before the bus arrives.
The worst of the worst is of course, at night at Serangoon towards HG.
I reckon walking back to HG might actually be faster.
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51 is another problematic service.
route too long but today where to find places to terminate split up routes?
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Its not just that the route is long....but its frequency at terminal can exceed 20 minutes during off-peak, despite having buses waiting there.
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51 was created during the MRT rationalisation wasn't it?
oh well, some of our mini star thought tat long haul rts was from pre MRT era
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One number: 178.
That is all.
Oh, also 980.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
do you understand what I'm trying to say.If it's so easy to pull buses out, prove it to me.
As if you've spare buses AND drivers.
Somemore 1930 - 2030 are the timing e S shifts returns to depot. The drivers had clocked 3 - 5 hrs earlier in AM peak alrdy. Not to mention there's a max weekly working hrs set by MOM.
If you think u know restriction, go write in. In any case it has occured before, they'll just pull out any buses on any running service if you looked at major MRT disruption over the years.
If I dun pull 241, 242 or 243 buses, which one do I pull? Sv 30's headways can be 14 mins (tell me 28 mins headways?), 198 is BBDEP, 157 same issue w/ 30.
You believe 8 min freq is comfirm 8 min? Please i live in a feeder serve area i know the timing more then you. Recently the headway freq for feeder is more then 8 min. if you pull bus out it will result in more and more people getting delay. As if you know what you are talking. If you believe pulling bus from feeder to other service then what about those waiting to go home using feeder? Those SP Buses are fake de ar? You say as if there spare buses. Each depot has a few spare buses if i remember correct as state in sgwiki. If those are not spare then keep as spare for? Cleaning your house? I believe SBS will had some back-up driver that can be use if encounter this kind of emergency stituation. If you are so smart into this plan it for me to see. See how smart you can plot this.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
do you understand what I'm trying to say.If it's so easy to pull buses out, prove it to me.
As if you've spare buses AND drivers.
Somemore 1930 - 2030 are the timing e S shifts returns to depot. The drivers had clocked 3 - 5 hrs earlier in AM peak alrdy. Not to mention there's a max weekly working hrs set by MOM.
If you think u know restriction, go write in. In any case it has occured before, they'll just pull out any buses on any running service if you looked at major MRT disruption over the years.
If I dun pull 241, 242 or 243 buses, which one do I pull? Sv 30's headways can be 14 mins (tell me 28 mins headways?), 198 is BBDEP, 157 same issue w/ 30.
And i already say that in your early post you only state service 241 and 242. Now you tell me the whole of feeder service? If you not harping on this 2 why you specify this 2? You should had say the whole of boon lay feeder.
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Originally posted by Kira™:
And i already say that in your early post you only state service 241 and 242. Now you tell me the whole of feeder service? If you not harping on this 2 why you specify this 2? You should had say the whole of boon lay feeder.
U go read againIf I pull trunk or JIS, see wat's e implication
It's as if Boon Lay has other frequent bus svs tat can be talked of w/o compromising headways much
If I pull buses from 30, I'll tell ppl is you tat created 30 mins headways for insisting buses not from e frequent ones
Instead of solving 40 mins 154 headways, you create 30 mins headways elsewhere. You're bias yourself
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Originally posted by Kira™:
Service 154.
During peak/normal hour if encounter with rain or bad traffic condition can stretch very long. Just last friday i was waiting for 154. Spent around 40 min(7.50pm - 8.30pm) to wait 1 due to traffic condition. And one short come 5 at 1 time. I hope that if this case were to happen again SBS(SLBP Depot) can at least sent 1 bus for emergency pick-up cause some passenger can't had patience. I mean not all but there were bound to be some.
emergency pick up? where is the jam located? let say at clementi road, by the time SLBP find a BC, drove the bus to Clementi road, it will take around 35-45 mins? and you wont know how long the buses will jam? and it will difficult to pinpoint where to start for the emergency trip?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
U go read againIf I pull trunk or JIS, see wat's e implication
It's as if Boon Lay has other frequent bus svs tat can be talked of w/o compromising headways much
If I pull buses from 30, I'll tell ppl is you tat created 30 mins headways for insisting buses not from e frequent ones
Instead of solving 40 mins 154 headways, you create 30 mins headways elsewhere. You're bias yourself
I never state put buses from 30.. you are the one stating it yourself. I only state that if you want to pull feeder can. At least state the whole of boon lay feeder service, instead of not stating only 1 or 2.....
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
emergency pick up? where is the jam located? let say at clementi road, by the time SLBP find a BC, drove the bus to Clementi road, it will take around 35-45 mins? and you wont know how long the buses will jam? and it will difficult to pinpoint where to start for the emergency trip?
That why i say i hope that SBS can think of such solution by having some spare driver. I believe it not so difficult to find some. So SBS Can prevent this kind of things from happening again. I had state earlier in my post. As for jam. You can't pinpoint the location but i believe some of the area can be use for emergency pickup. Example It delay is from boon lay int due to jam alone Boon lay way, Can sent 1 bus to start trip at Lakeside or taman Jurong. If not when the late bus reach boon lay it will absorb the passenger and those waiting alone the way. Like that will cause the bus to be full and more passenger to be stuck. I believe SBS will think of this too.
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Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:
One number: 178.
That is all.
Oh, also 980.
For 178 I admit the freq might be 17-20 minutes but atleast the drivers have enough time to have their mealbreaks. Don't have to do downroutes. That schedule follows sundays schedule indirectly.
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JIS peak hours is superb,But off peak can be erratic.My mum ever waited 30 mins for 252 to come during weekdays
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51 terminate at Eunos better lah.The deleted sector from Eunos to HG can introduced a trunk service from Eunos to Hougang loop,Hahaha.Just joking
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Actually cant wholely blame bus companies.Traffic varies and with more Taxis coming in they indirectly make the roads more jammed especially town area.For nothing stop at bus stops,Shopping ctr,Bus have a hard time swerving and overtaking unlike cars.
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852's frequency is HORRENDOUS. And during non-peak, you wait so long just to find that the bus is only half full.
Mind you feeders are not spared too. 945 somewhat affected because of some 'maximum 4 buses' rule. Frequency may more than double on some instances.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
JIS peak hours is superb,But off peak can be erratic.My mum ever waited 30 mins for 252 to come during weekdays
Seriously JIS are peakish in nature.Less those tat has shipyards, where you probably see shift system.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
51 terminate at Eunos better lah.The deleted sector from Eunos to HG can introduced a trunk service from Eunos to Hougang loop,Hahaha.Just joking
Hard lehThe higher travelling pattern that I've noticed. I'll categorise into 2 legs for simplicity sake.
Hougang - Chinatown, Jurong East - Pasir Panjang.
But in bet ppl might be travelling bet West Coast & Alexandra Rd.
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43!!!!!!!!!!!!! waited almost 35 mins for it juz now zzz
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Hard lehThe higher travelling pattern that I've noticed. I'll categorise into 2 legs for simplicity sake.
Hougang - Chinatown, Jurong East - Pasir Panjang.
But in bet ppl might be travelling bet West Coast & Alexandra Rd.
Haha just a mere suggestion only.I find Eunos lack of bus service thanks to the bus stops along Jln Eunos and Sims Ave.You miss 60,61,63,93,94 from Int simply can just walk to the Sims Ave bus stop to catch it.I would love if one day svs like 7 terminate there.Bedok just too crowded -
Another svs i find is 64 haywire freq,Sometime can be as good as 6-8 mins sometimes more than 16 mins..11 should start from Sims Place and simply put 1A/P and 1S
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187 nowadays superb but bendies getting lesser..For 67 quite haywire too.For unseen reasons you will see 4 buses one after another in less than 12 mins along Changi Rd towards CCK..966 real problem beside the usual PIE jams is that the Split shift lot is almost the same number as normal shift buses.8AM/PM 7SS WTH.Should convert 2 S into AM/PM slots