Driving standards of our bus drivers
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Is something both companies should look into more.
Increasingly, I feel the BCs are lacking in situational awareness => lack of anticipation or too much of it, which is not good also.
Also, there's increasing incidences of buses taking it for granted that other road-users will give way to it exiting the bus-bay.
And I had a most horrible ride days ago when this BC was apparently afraid of coming close to the kerb on the left and ended up driving on 2nd lanes most of the way. When he couldn't, he simply slowed to 15km/h and drove like a pussy, waiting for another chance to lane-hog when he could. And no wonder, he couldn't even friggin drive straight!
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Who changed my topic title?
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It's the lao jiao BCs that are more likely to look out for hazards before hand.
Even the lao jiaos some know which bus stops have to keep a look out i.e. Vivo bus stop all thanks to where the corridor is, pax clustering around there.
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that reminds me, i saw one svc 33 volvo strider, when turning into tembeling road from koon seng road, it mount kerb.
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Today's BC ended up activating the KUB's ABS because he rolled forward at 15km/h, traffic light turned red, noticed that only 2 seconds later, and then ZHAM brake. The noise of the brake pads going on and off is quite horrific.
In the end the bus was left with half its body sticking out of the junction. Yet another example of lack of SA and indecisiveness.
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that reminds me again, this weekdays one of the morning when i passed by a bus stop just before bedok mrt on new upper changi road i encountered a KUB which right hind wheel dunno what happened quite chui tore into shreds something like that BC sitting in front of bus stop and the mechanics working on the bus.
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Most probably strike kerb lor...
I had it once before.
The whole MKIII simply shifted its body sideways and we could hear the tyre actually screech in response.
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There are 3 kinds of BC: normal BCs, chiong BCs and fearless BCs.
Normal BCs is your plain old 30ish uncle who drives the regular feeder service.
Chiong BCs is those who speed a lot.We're talking fast until they stop after the bus stop. Refer below for optional extra information.
Fearless BCs are chiong BCs plus the devil.Some are just careless or accidental, but some really drive as if they're in F1 cars.Overtake here, cut there, flat out here.... really dangerous driving.
I wouldn't say that they're terrible drivers. In fact they are quite good. It's just that they need to regard safety as their number 1 priority.
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?! eh, the topic put SBST BCs, SMRT SLs in a very very, bad light ...
Have you ever thought why does the BCs/SLs drive like that!?
Did it occur to you that SINGAPOREAN drivers in their cars ARE UNWILLING to give way to a bus?!
Yet they make so much noise in local papers as in why they must give way to passengers?!
The carrying capacity of buses is more than that of any vehicle on the road and the net income output loss is higher than that of one person driving a private car...
Think...
ACx -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
?! eh, the topic put SBST BCs, SMRT SLs in a very very, bad light ...
Have you ever thought why does the BCs/SLs drive like that!?
Did it occur to you that SINGAPOREAN drivers in their cars ARE UNWILLING to give way to a bus?!
Yet they make so much noise in local papers as in why they must give way to passengers?!
The carrying capacity of buses is more than that of any vehicle on the road and the net income output loss is higher than that of one person driving a private car...
Think...
ACx
Its more than well-justified. Please also note that I did not refer to all BCs as such.People are unwilling to give way. Yes. But that does not give the bus driver the right to "correct" this by bashing his way out of the bus-bay.
Its an increasing and alarming trend, and the yellow shaded box is encouraging it when it is clearly dangerous and not particularly sensible.
Anybody who takes bus frequently will concur I believe.
I believe in giving way to the bus, and I do practice that. But there are increasing number of BCs who take that for granted and assume that everyone drives the way I do.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Its more than well-justified. Please also note that I did not refer to all BCs as such.People are unwilling to give way. Yes. But that does not give the bus driver the right to "correct" this by bashing his way out of the bus-bay.
Its an increasing and alarming trend, and the yellow shaded box is encouraging it when it is clearly dangerous and not particularly sensible.
Anybody who takes bus frequently will concur I believe.
I believe in giving way to the bus, and I do practice that. But there are increasing number of BCs who take that for granted and assume that everyone drives the way I do.
eh, yellow box (normal one) is meant for the buses to useIt's not for those BMW or Merc ah sia kia to start hoarding it when the front is alrdy filled.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
eh, yellow box (normal one) is meant for the buses to useIt's not for those BMW or Merc ah sia kia to start hoarding it when the front is alrdy filled.
I meant the shaded ones....I don't like the idea.
The past also did not see so many BCs using the on-off stepping of pedal to get around. Its just irritating, potentially dangerous for standing pax and not good for the bus.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I meant the shaded ones....I don't like the idea.
The past also did not see so many BCs using the on-off stepping of pedal to get around. Its just irritating, potentially dangerous for standing pax and not good for the bus.
there are some BCs who will keep a lookout. There's some places whereby the shaded box is effectively useless -
Its more than well-justified. Please also note that I did not refer to all BCs as such.
People are unwilling to give way. Yes. But that does not give the bus driver the right to "correct" this by bashing his way out of the bus-bay.
Its an increasing and alarming trend, and the yellow shaded box is encouraging it when it is clearly dangerous and not particularly sensible.
Anybody who takes bus frequently will concur I believe.
I believe in giving way to the bus, and I do practice that. But there are increasing number of BCs who take that for granted and assume that everyone drives the way I do.
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As a bus commuter that takes public transport EVERYDAY, i do have the right to speak up and correct your notion.
1st, SG drivers seldoms or NEVER give way to public buses.
If everyone does give way to public bus, this situation will not have occured that led you to start this thread.
Let me give you an example:
Nicoll highway Concourse bus stop[twds Mountbatten ] there is no yellow box, bus stuck in the bus bay cannot turn out so they have to force their way out and note, cars are queuing to enter KPE in lane 3, bus have to filter to lane 2 to proceed smoothly or will be queuing in lane 3, so must they force their way through?
Remember public buses have a schedule to run and everyone wants to go home fast but most SG private vehicle drivers think they are kings of the road refuse to give way so who is the selfish one here?!
Secondly sv36,48 on ECP about to filter to Rochor Rd exit but SG drivers exiting KPE refuse to let us filter and "die die" want to cut into the bus that is signalling to filter, so who is at fault?!
Everyday i witness "about to" accidents concerning buses.
You are a person in a private car, you meet with an accident, your car dented, send for repair.
A BC/SL is driving a bus with close to hundred of lives onboard, if there is an accident, someone gets hurt on the bus...
the BC/SL loses his job and his rice bowl,
If BC/SL is late when he is reaching T1/T2 he gets penalised by green man and his break time is shorten or no break at all
Before you fire off your reply to me, spare a thought for our BCs/SLs who are working tirelessly to bring us around...
ACx -
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Its more than well-justified. Please also note that I did not refer to all BCs as such.People are unwilling to give way. Yes. But that does not give the bus driver the right to "correct" this by bashing his way out of the bus-bay.
Its an increasing and alarming trend, and the yellow shaded box is encouraging it when it is clearly dangerous and not particularly sensible.
Anybody who takes bus frequently will concur I believe.
I believe in giving way to the bus, and I do practice that. But there are increasing number of BCs who take that for granted and assume that everyone drives the way I do.
i invite you to have a trip with me in the morning on sv36 or sv10,14,16,196 in the evening and you will see what i mean
ACx -
lousy singaporean car drivers la. oso can talkin cock
try drivin a big bus on the congested roads then u will noe how isit like
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Is something both companies should look into more.
Increasingly, I feel the BCs are lacking in situational awareness => lack of anticipation or too much of it, which is not good also.
Also, there's increasing incidences of buses taking it for granted that other road-users will give way to it exiting the bus-bay.
And I had a most horrible ride days ago when this BC was apparently afraid of coming close to the kerb on the left and ended up driving on 2nd lanes most of the way. When he couldn't, he simply slowed to 15km/h and drove like a pussy, waiting for another chance to lane-hog when he could. And no wonder, he couldn't even friggin drive straight!
Which road were you on when the incident happened?!
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I take 3 hrs worth of bus rides every weekday. And it need not be the same services.
How would I not know what I'm talking about?
As for SMRT, I don't know much about it. Except the NRs I took occasionally, I heard: Went wrong way, or experienced: zig-zag driving.
acx> 151 full journey. This was probably the worst case I've had, the guy just puts one hand on the coinbox and any-oh-how cross from lane to lane, but taking care that he does not come within 3m of the kerb. If he did, he simply crawled, but with both hands on steering wheel and then turning left and right gingerly. When he enters bus-bays, he just leaves half the body on the road.
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Of course I would also point out that I trust BCs very much more than cabbies.
Put it this way, that SG car drivers can be selfish: but two wrongs don't make a right. And while I also don't particularly like it when the BC does not assert where necessary, a bus asserting itself is quite alarming at times, especially bendies.
While the following is of course not likely to be representative of the BC community, we also have BCs who sabo their own kind.
I've had: BCs who honked and flash light at BCs from the same service because the one in front was driving erratically and super slowly and doing funny things like crawling into the bus bay at walking speed and then stopping short of the bus-stop.
I've also had: BCs who wanted to filter right, opened the window, asked the BC in front to give way, and the BC refused! And what did my BC do? Race with the other BC, draw in a stale-mate, and then stopped short of the traffic light and blocked the cars behind since he had to make the right turn.
To paint BCs as angels is not going to cut it. My point is that they do have flaws and one of my gripe is that their SA in general has been deteriorating, or it might simply be that they do not care (which is not likely). Some slow at places where I thought was not necessary, though of course caution is better, but then chose to chiong at other places where I thought was dangerous. At Whitley Rd exit, PIE towards Stevens Rd, BCs usually slow because of the sharp change in gradient. On one fine day, my KUB BC happily went through at 50km/h and the front hit the road with such a force that the front pax either fell off their seats or were thrown off their feet. I myself thought that's the end of the Gemilang body, but it proved otherwise. So there....the KUB body also not so chui after all.
As mentioned about the 151 activating the ABS because he couldn't really decide whether to stop after he missed the red light for 1 second, last night, my 88 BC just chiong through the red light at a cool 60km/h even though he was probably 2 bus-stop lengths away from the traffic light! Granted, that was at AMK Industrial Park 2 at night, so traffic wasn't heavy. But what think you if you were the pax and prepared for a little braking since he was still far, but he chose to carry on through the red light?
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For BCs who do not demonstrate adequate driving skills, please do write in and highlight to SBST/SMRT so that corrective training will be scheduled for the BC/SL concern.
As mentioned earlier, BC/SL are driving a vehicle with hundred of lives on board, no one should be allowed to drive recklessly on the roads.
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Youngest these days lack safety awareness on driving.