Bt Panjang bus service level
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not picking peak hour crash load, I'm talking abt off peak
Been noticing some of these.
1) Sv 180: Wonder whether is it e schedule or loop nature, the return leg is unpredictable. Been noticing some 180 straight head back to BPJ from BNL while some layover for some time.
2) Sv 960: The off peak 20 mins freq turns out to be pretty true. Ditto for 961 (Esp on Weekends, sometimes the freq of 170 owns 961).
3) Sv 700A: Wondering it's Weekend freq, dun seem to be as good as to say 963.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
not picking peak hour crash load, I'm talking abt off peak
Been noticing some of these.
1) Sv 180: Wonder whether is it e schedule or loop nature, the return leg is unpredictable. Been noticing some 180 straight head back to BPJ from BNL while some layover for some time.
2) Sv 960: The off peak 20 mins freq turns out to be pretty true. Ditto for 961 (Esp on Weekends, sometimes the freq of 170 owns 961).
3) Sv 700A: Wondering it's Weekend freq, dun seem to be as good as to say 963.
svc. 960 is worst during off peak near especially night... waited many times for about 30 mins to 35 mins in between a slot.
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3) i guess 700A has a lower ridership as it has a smaller catchment at Bt Panjang and Dunearn Rd so negating a need for very good frequencies. there are also duplicating bus services like 190 at Bt Panjang and 171 at Dunearn Rd. whereas 963 connects many places thus enjoys a better ridership and better frequencies.
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There was once, off peak around 9. Waited for 171 opp blk 223, the stop before the expressway. 171 heading towards Yishun was terrible. 9pm waited till 940pm. 4 buses came at once. Nothing significant that day either i thought.
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180 still loop at BNL? 960 Should convert 2 spilt into full day..Terrible 13AM/PM 8 Split-Shift for cash cow service that plies busy route 700A no comment,Eversince Kranji take over becoming from bad to worse..At least during Woodlands time there's bendy even for off peak 963 has slightly improved because of complains..From 20 to 21 then 24 buses excluding the Express and Resorts service..
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
3) i guess 700A has a lower ridership as it has a smaller catchment at Bt Panjang and Dunearn Rd so negating a need for very good frequencies. there are also duplicating bus services like 190 at Bt Panjang and 171 at Dunearn Rd. whereas 963 connects many places thus enjoys a better ridership and better frequencies.
700A's poor frequency is not due to low ridership. Its because the runtime is too tight. Although they plan frequencies like 12-15 minutes (off peak), the actual frequency is between 17 - 20 minutes (off peak) whenever there is a jam. Any jams along the way would result in the service being unable to start on time from interchange, resulting in delay.
I always see delay notice being placed whenever there is a traffic jam along Orchard or BKE/PIE. -
Originally posted by SBS2692R:
There was once, off peak around 9. Waited for 171 opp blk 223, the stop before the expressway. 171 heading towards Yishun was terrible. 9pm waited till 940pm. 4 buses came at once. Nothing significant that day either i thought.
171 is a little bit crazy. Off peak waiting time is terrible. 20 minutes wait and then 2 Service 171 pops up... Peak hour frequency reasonable though.
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
svc. 960 is worst during off peak near especially night... waited many times for about 30 mins to 35 mins in between a slot.
Yup. Bound for Marina direction right? Most of the buses go off service from WRI and start trips from Marina Centre Terminal.
Same goes to 190. Bus waiting time can be 14-18 minutes during off peak hours towards NBR terminal. -
Originally posted by sbst275:
not picking peak hour crash load, I'm talking abt off peak
Been noticing some of these.
1) Sv 180: Wonder whether is it e schedule or loop nature, the return leg is unpredictable. Been noticing some 180 straight head back to BPJ from BNL while some layover for some time.
2) Sv 960: The off peak 20 mins freq turns out to be pretty true. Ditto for 961 (Esp on Weekends, sometimes the freq of 170 owns 961).
3) Sv 700A: Wondering it's Weekend freq, dun seem to be as good as to say 963.
Svc 180 - Schedule. During AM Peak, many commuters boarding 180 from Bukit Panjang Int. Bukit Panjang bound passengers not many during AM Peak, so bus goes off service back to BPI to catch more commuters up.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
700A's poor frequency is not due to low ridership. Its because the runtime is too tight. Although they plan frequencies like 12-15 minutes (off peak), the actual frequency is between 17 - 20 minutes (off peak) whenever there is a jam. Any jams along the way would result in the service being unable to start on time from interchange, resulting in delay.
I always see delay notice being placed whenever there is a traffic jam along Orchard or BKE/PIE.have not seen e schedule but I do notice 700A's waiting time is as erratic as 171, 966.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
Yup. Bound for Marina direction right? Most of the buses go off service from WRI and start trips from Marina Centre Terminal.
Same goes to 190. Bus waiting time can be 14-18 minutes during off peak hours towards NBR terminal.
dun think soHave ever noticed 20 mins headways from CBD as well
190's PM off peak freq puts it tat most buses would downroute to NBR straight from CCK.
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bt panjang interchange is like an outback station of sorts, there are quite a number of schools but the feeder serivces that ply the routes are erractic....on more than one occassion i've seen students queing from the first berth right up to the last, since someone complained, they taken down the printed schedules...
let's see what the new transport hub brings to probably one of the worst interchanges...
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good idea
700's routing could be extended on weekend to ply into Bt Panjang Senja/ Segar area
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
Yup. Bound for Marina direction right? Most of the buses go off service from WRI and start trips from Marina Centre Terminal.
Same goes to 190. Bus waiting time can be 14-18 minutes during off peak hours towards NBR terminal.
For me, I'm going towards WRI, so almost everytime i'll wait at opposite Bt. Panjang Plaza bus stop because i'll gaurantee a seat rather than waiting for 963/966. Then, there's a slot or two with very bad frequencies...Around 6.30PM, i ever waited for 40 mins and none 960 came. That time i saw TIB1091M doing downroute 960 using 187 route towards WRI skipping my bus stop...
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Raymond Lim should retake 960 again
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
Svc 180 - Schedule. During AM Peak, many commuters boarding 180 from Bukit Panjang Int. Bukit Panjang bound passengers not many during AM Peak, so bus goes off service back to BPI to catch more commuters up.
180's AM peak demand for Bt Panjang bound is up to CCK only. In any case it's mostly ITE students tat form e bulk.As for AM peak it's pretty erratic for their direction, sometimes brunching could start occuring at Lakeside.
As for PM off peak, I believe there's something w/ e departure timing at BNL
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Originally posted by sbst275:
good idea
700's routing could be extended on weekend to ply into Bt Panjang Senja/ Segar area
Good idea for 700 to ply into Senja/Segar. Dont know which berth they will use for Sv 971E since all berth are fully occupied. Not sure if they can share with Sv 177? -
Originally posted by phillipC:
Good idea for 700 to ply into Senja/Segar. Dont know which berth they will use for Sv 971E since all berth are fully occupied. Not sure if they can share with Sv 177?
Should have 971 to start with W'lands Reg Int duplicate with 960 until Bt. Panjang, then to the same route as 971E, just that no skipping of any bus stop along. -
Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Should have 971 to start with W'lands Reg Int duplicate with 960 until Bt. Panjang, then to the same route as 971E, just that no skipping of any bus stop along.
Seriously there's no ptThere's no residential devt along Woodlands Rd less Jln Bumbong tat small plot and there's 170, 960, 961 to town.
It's unless ppl in Yew Tee walks to Woodlands Rd/ Heavy Vehicle Park (near Caltex).
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hmm... how about this..Svc 971
Choa Chu Crescent -> Shenton Way
via CCK Crescent, CCK North 7, CCK Drive, KJE, Woodlands Rd, Senja Way, Senja Rd, Bt Panjang Ring Rd, Jelapang Rd, Segar Rd, Fajar Rd, Bt Panjang Ring Rd, Bt Panjang Rd, BKE, PIE and to town.....
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No ADDs to serve busy routes which I think really make the matter worse. We always hear from the operator its difficult to recruit bus captains; yet still using so many single-deck rigids. How to become productive and improve service level? fine them heavily; say $40K to make them wake up?
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
No ADDs to serve busy routes which I think really make the matter worse. We always hear from the operator its difficult to recruit bus captains; yet still using so many single-deck rigids. How to become productive and improve service level? fine them heavily; say $40K to make them wake up?
40k nia.... pay fine aka paying themselves right?
PAP paying PAP.... 40k is just to increase GDP nia... u wont see any changes... a heavier fine like xferring sv190 to SBS also can..
if i the minister, i ban all bendies and order them to buy DDs or double the road tax -
Originally posted by 105090:
40k nia.... pay fine aka paying themselves right?
PAP paying PAP.... 40k is just to increase GDP nia... u wont see any changes... a heavier fine like xferring sv190 to SBS also can..
if i the minister, i ban all bendies and order them to buy DDs or double the road tax
You got a point. i think just open up and let competitors enter their territories should be good enough already. and hopefully we can see SBST operating some routes with ADDS that compete their cash cow routes. Of course, SMRT is also free to enter SBST territories to compete, but then what can they offer? This is called healthy competition isn't it? Now they are just operating as 2 different monopoly; is this healthy? -
looking back at e SBS monopoly days, could still get things done
Those were the more innovative days even
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Originally posted by sbst275:
looking back at e SBS monopoly days, could still get things done
Those were the more innovative days even
Yes, more innovative due to the absence of limitations of serving one place to another. I see more interesting happenings on the bus scene going on since the 1970s, from the 1980s till late 1990s.Originally posted by SBS3688Y:You got a point. i think just open up and let competitors enter their territories should be good enough already. and hopefully we can see SBST operating some routes with ADDS that compete their cash cow routes. Of course, SMRT is also free to enter SBST territories to compete, but then what can they offer? This is called healthy competition isn't it? Now they are just operating as 2 different monopoly; is this healthy?
This dumb territory rule just screws everything up with all those limitations. Healthy competition don't exist here as long as all these senseless rules are in place. Commuters suffer from poor transport links just because resources of one company cannot be fully utilise to serve places that are poorly linked.