Why Sembawang has fewer bus service than others?
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
via what route? BPJ rd, BKE, woodlands ave 3, ave 7 and sembawang way? ave 1, ave 4, ave 7 would be beneficial imo..
mandai
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Pity those living in Sembawang and Yishun.
Maybe SBST should introduce some new bus services in these two estates.
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EmaIl form SBST:
Dear Mr XXX FEEDBACK ON NEW BUS SERVICE IN SEMBAWANG We refer to your feedback on introducing a new SBS Transit bus service in Sembawang. We regret to inform that we do not have any plans to introduce a bus service in Sembawang as of now. Rest assured we will continue to monitor the commuter traffic.
Thank you for your valuable feedback.
Yours sincerely -
Extend 852 to SBW or convert 981 to loop @ Wld estates
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extend service? can..
new service? can...
bus leh? pluck from the sky?
kope from other services? then the affected service dio complain..
cannot...
so buy new bus? who pay?
we all...
but how to pay? use our bus fare pay
so if wanna buy more bus within a short time how?
pay more lor..
but cannot... cos PTC regulates the fare structure. cannot anyhow set the fare structure just because bus co wants to buy new bus..
so buy 2nd hand bus lor..
but cannot.. cos LTA say no 2nd hand bus used as public bus
So what thing CAN?
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Originally posted by service_238:
extend service? can..
new service? can...
bus leh? pluck from the sky?
kope from other services? then the affected service dio complain..
cannot...
so buy new bus? who pay?
we all...
but how to pay? use our bus fare pay
so if wanna buy more bus within a short time how?
pay more lor..
but cannot... cos PTC regulates the fare structure. cannot anyhow set the fare structure just because bus co wants to buy new bus..
so buy 2nd hand bus lor..
but cannot.. cos LTA say no 2nd hand bus used as public bus
So what thing CAN?
BC is another issue..... go where finds so many drivers? hired from China ah...
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Originally posted by a C751B train:
EmaIl form SBST:
Dear Mr XXX FEEDBACK ON NEW BUS SERVICE IN SEMBAWANG We refer to your feedback on introducing a new SBS Transit bus service in Sembawang. We regret to inform that we do not have any plans to introduce a bus service in Sembawang as of now. Rest assured we will continue to monitor the commuter traffic.
Thank you for your valuable feedback.
Yours sincerelyit will be standard reply from SMRT/SBST on this. cos LTA have taken over the central planning of bus services.. So SMRT/SBST wont be introducing any new services right now, until the central planning is materialised...
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Originally posted by service_238:
extend service? can..
new service? can...
bus leh? pluck from the sky?
kope from other services? then the affected service dio complain..
cannot...
so buy new bus? who pay?
we all...
but how to pay? use our bus fare pay
so if wanna buy more bus within a short time how?
pay more lor..
but cannot... cos PTC regulates the fare structure. cannot anyhow set the fare structure just because bus co wants to buy new bus..
so buy 2nd hand bus lor..
but cannot.. cos LTA say no 2nd hand bus used as public bus
So what thing CAN?
If SMRT unable to handle, then give it to SBSTransit.
If SBSTransit unable to handle, then open up the duopoly.
SBSTransit will be more than willing to ply more services into Sembawang.
SMRT refuses to provide more services in Sembawang for the same commuters will 'lan lan' end up taking trains.
And whether it ends up taking train or bus, revenues remain the same.
There is no incentives for SMRT to put up more trains or buses in Sembawang. The additional investment in new buses will not translate to more revenues.
The story is different for SBSTransit. New buses investment for Sembawang by SBSTransit will translate to additional revenues, as some existing Sembawang train commuters will switch to SBSTransit buses.
The trains are getting crowded these days. It's time for PTC and LTA to allow SBSTransit to ply into Sembawang, Yew Tee, CCK, to make our journey more comfortable.
It was a mistake in issuing public bus transport licences to SMRT.
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i think buses operations are a minus sum game for the operators..
high costs, low fare revenue..
look at SBS financial report.. if they dont have the advertising and rental.. i think they in the red liao.. $4m profit for 3Q nia for their size of operations.. SMRT no need to say.. always bobbing up and down the water
about sembawang, smrt is either making people take the MRT or playing the chicken and egg game.. no point they introduce new services n resources and divert people away from their trains.conflict of operations
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Originally posted by 105090:$4m profit for 3Q nia for their size of operations.. SMRT no need to say..
Isn't that obscene? $4m just for a quarter?
Do you know how much Ms Saw is collecting each quarter?
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Originally posted by 105090:
i think buses operations are a minus sum game for the operators..
high costs, low fare revenue..
look at SBS financial report.. if they dont have the advertising and rental.. i think they in the red liao.. $4m profit for 3Q nia for their size of operations.. SMRT no need to say.. always bobbing up and down the waterhttp://www.sbstransit.com.sg/download/sbst3Q2010.pdf
sbs financial report says 15.8mil profit for q3 2010, or 12.7mil after taxes.
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/download/sbst3Q2010.pdf
sbs financial report says 15.8mil profit for q3 2010, or 12.7mil after taxes.
The breakdown for the quarter is:
profit from bus operation: 3m
profit from rail operation: 4.1m
profit from advertisement: 10.2m
profit from rental biz: 3.6m
Without the bus or rail operation, can the group achieve anything from advertisement?
Profit from advertisement should be a component of profit from bus operation! Bus companies are smart to isolate the operations and advertisements revnues, for that warrant them the need for call for higher bus and rail fares.
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Originally posted by 105090:
i think buses operations are a minus sum game for the operators..
high costs, low fare revenue..
look at SBS financial report.. if they dont have the advertising and rental.. i think they in the red liao.. $4m profit for 3Q nia for their size of operations.. SMRT no need to say.. always bobbing up and down the water
about sembawang, smrt is either making people take the MRT or playing the chicken and egg game.. no point they introduce new services n resources and divert people away from their trains.conflict of operations
MRT given for free ma. Only just operate and spend on overheads.I think SMRT is thinking why spend so much on buses when NSL/ EWL given macham from heaven.
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All Gahmen wayang show only,Behind the scene we'll know who's laughing.Majority companies here that profitable got Gahmen behind.Just look at Airport two major ground handlers and see who's the major shareholder?Like i said before depots is their main excuses and i'm thinking WTH they dun wanna shift AM & KJ to store more buses instead of cramping and do more ONP?
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
It was a mistake in issuing public bus transport licences to SMRT.
More like a mistake to allow Trans-Island and SMRT to merge back then.
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LOL. Sembawang Under SMRT leh.. Wat to do wit SBST sia.. Of cos SBS say they arent ready couse they r not allow to serve the area.. We shld respect our duopoly bus system
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Originally posted by service_238:
extend service? can..
new service? can...
bus leh? pluck from the sky?
kope from other services? then the affected service dio complain..
cannot...
so buy new bus? who pay?
we all...
but how to pay? use our bus fare pay
so if wanna buy more bus within a short time how?
pay more lor..
but cannot... cos PTC regulates the fare structure. cannot anyhow set the fare structure just because bus co wants to buy new bus..
so buy 2nd hand bus lor..
but cannot.. cos LTA say no 2nd hand bus used as public bus
So what thing CAN?
That is why there got additional of 200 CDGE B9s last time when some of new services were introduced.
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I find the bus services here adequate (yeah, so sue me). If I need to go City, take 167/980. CGA/Expo? 858. Bedok? MRT then 854 or MRT/962 then 966. Tampines? Yishun, then 969. West? Take MRT. Only problem for me is Bukit Panjang.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
I find the bus services here adequate (yeah, so sue me). If I need to go City, take 167/980. CGA/Expo? 858. Bedok? MRT then 854 or MRT/962 then 966. Tampines? Yishun, then 969. West? Take MRT. Only problem for me is Bukit Panjang.
Walk to chong pang and switch to 171
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Originally posted by TIB 781 L:
Walk to chong pang and switch to 171Might as well take 980/167 then xfer right?
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Originally posted by TIB1010Y:
LOL. Sembawang Under SMRT leh.. Wat to do wit SBST sia.. Of cos SBS say they arent ready couse they r not allow to serve the area.. We shld respect our duopoly bus system
it's going into bundling bidding. -
Originally posted by 105090:
i think buses operations are a minus sum game for the operators..
high costs, low fare revenue..
look at SBS financial report.. if they dont have the advertising and rental.. i think they in the red liao.. $4m profit for 3Q nia for their size of operations.. SMRT no need to say.. always bobbing up and down the water
about sembawang, smrt is either making people take the MRT or playing the chicken and egg game.. no point they introduce new services n resources and divert people away from their trains.conflict of operations
That's why it is still better that one for train services and one for bus services solely. Since each company has its strengths in each mode of transport, it will be better that they develop their strengths and improve on them to better provision of public transport services.
They should allow bus and train networks to complete with each other instead of creating a mess with multi modal companies which only focuses on their strengths with their resources and neglecting those that are not their core.Each mode has its strengths and weaknesses.
Buses, higher chances to have seats for commuters, more flexible systems and operations, can move more people at a smaller scale at the same time but in a dense bus network, but slow due to traffic conditions, more polluting.
Trains, faster and can move more people at a single point of time, less polluting, but not flexible in operations, etc, once break down, everything seems cut off, not enough seats to satisfy most commuters, very packed most of the times, much more expensive to operate and maintain.
I think these two modes should compete in a way that both modes improve themselves to draw more commuters. For example, guided bus system for faster trips, more double deckers and environmental friendly buses, more seats in train carriages, etc. In this way, commuters are able to have more choices in chosing their mode of transport based on their needs, instead of being forced to squezze in trains and bearing slow trips in buses.
And each company and transport mode service standards should be review monthly by LTA to ensure standards are met. And LTA should raise the benchmark now and then for the companies to ensure that their mode of transport that they provide are of high and satisfactory standards for commuters. Benchmark of such service standards can be observed by LTA from first class public transport operators in other countries in order to review, reform and improve based on our standards but yet on par with international world class standards.But we know this will never happen as our transport operators are controlled by you-know-who. They focus more on their profits earned from these companies, not the welfare of the daily commuters.
Originally posted by 105090:i think buses operations are a minus sum game for the operators..
high costs, low fare revenue..
look at SBS financial report.. if they dont have the advertising and rental.. i think they in the red liao.. $4m profit for 3Q nia for their size of operations.. SMRT no need to say.. always bobbing up and down the water
about sembawang, smrt is either making people take the MRT or playing the chicken and egg game.. no point they introduce new services n resources and divert people away from their trains.conflict of operations
That's why it is still better that one for train services and one for bus services solely. Since each company has its strengths in each mode of transport, it will be better that they develop their strengths and improve on them to better provision of public transport services.
They should allow bus and train networks to complete with each other instead of creating a mess with multi modal companies which only focuses on their strengths with their resources and neglecting those that are not their core.Each mode has its strengths and weaknesses.
Buses, higher chances to have seats for commuters, more flexible systems and operations, can move more people at a smaller scale at the same time but in a dense bus network, but slow due to traffic conditions, more polluting.
Trains, faster and can move more people at a single point of time, less polluting, but not flexible in operations, etc, once break down, everything seems cut off, not enough seats to satisfy most commuters, very packed most of the times, much more expensive to operate and maintain.
I think these two modes should compete in a way that both modes improve themselves to draw more commuters. For example, guided bus system for faster trips, more double deckers and environmental friendly buses, more seats in train carriages, etc. In this way, commuters are able to have more choices in chosing their mode of transport based on their needs, instead of being forced to squezze in trains and bearing slow trips in buses.
And each company and transport mode service standards should be review monthly by LTA to ensure standards are met. And LTA should raise the benchmark now and then for the companies to ensure that their mode of transport that they provide are of high and satisfactory standards for commuters. Benchmark of such service standards can be observed by LTA from first class public transport operators in other countries in order to review, reform and improve based on our standards but yet on par with international world class standards.Originally posted by TIB1010Y:LOL. Sembawang Under SMRT leh.. Wat to do wit SBST sia.. Of cos SBS say they arent ready couse they r not allow to serve the area.. We shld respect our duopoly bus system
I don't agree with this system, especially such kind of stupid territory protectism. If a company have more than enough resources, then should let it serve other places as well, instead of keep on having some duplications in the same places that they serve. So in the end, LTA is just stepping their own toes by saying their disagreements on the bus train routes duplication.
And if another company does not have enough or unwillingly to cater more resources to introduce more bus services to the area they serve, then just let others do the connection. Don't let commuters suffer from all these poor bus service and connectivity and yet they have to bear such nonsense like annual fare increasse and poor service standards.Originally posted by carbikebus:All Gahmen wayang show only,Behind the scene we'll know who's laughing.Majority companies here that profitable got Gahmen behind.Just look at Airport two major ground handlers and see who's the major shareholder?Like i said before depots is their main excuses and i'm thinking WTH they dun wanna shift AM & KJ to store more buses instead of cramping and do more ONP?
What to do? Everything they want to control. Now they want to control more to make it worse. Hub and spoke concept, imagine the number of transfers and time wasting, and travelling is going to get more frustrating and longer.
I have a collegue who have to make at least 3 transfers everyday to work, from Punggol to Suntec City. She complained that it is so tiring everyday just to travel to and especially from work. Why don't they just introduce a direct Express service from City to Punggol as well?Originally posted by iamgoondu:If SMRT unable to handle, then give it to SBSTransit.
If SBSTransit unable to handle, then open up the duopoly.
SBSTransit will be more than willing to ply more services into Sembawang.
SMRT refuses to provide more services in Sembawang for the same commuters will 'lan lan' end up taking trains.
And whether it ends up taking train or bus, revenues remain the same.
There is no incentives for SMRT to put up more trains or buses in Sembawang. The additional investment in new buses will not translate to more revenues.
The story is different for SBSTransit. New buses investment for Sembawang by SBSTransit will translate to additional revenues, as some existing Sembawang train commuters will switch to SBSTransit buses.
The trains are getting crowded these days. It's time for PTC and LTA to allow SBSTransit to ply into Sembawang, Yew Tee, CCK, to make our journey more comfortable.
It was a mistake in issuing public bus transport licences to SMRT.
I fully agree with your points.
Originally posted by TIB1010Y:LOL. Sembawang Under SMRT leh.. Wat to do wit SBST sia.. Of cos SBS say they arent ready couse they r not allow to serve the area.. We shld respect our duopoly bus system
I don't agree with this system, especially such kind of stupid territory protectism. If a company have more than enough resources, then should let it serve other places as well, instead of keep on having some duplications in the same places that they serve. So in the end, LTA is just stepping their own toes by saying their disagreements on the bus train routes duplication.
And if another company does not have enough or unwillingly to cater more resources to introduce more bus services to the area they serve, then just let others do the connection. Don't let commuters suffer from all these poor bus service and connectivity and yet they have to bear such nonsense like annual fare increasse and poor service standards.Originally posted by carbikebus:All Gahmen wayang show only,Behind the scene we'll know who's laughing.Majority companies here that profitable got Gahmen behind.Just look at Airport two major ground handlers and see who's the major shareholder?Like i said before depots is their main excuses and i'm thinking WTH they dun wanna shift AM & KJ to store more buses instead of cramping and do more ONP?
What to do? Everything they want to control. Now they want to control more to make it worse. Hub and spoke concept, imagine the number of transfers and time wasting, and travelling is going to get more frustrating and longer.
I have a collegue who have to make at least 3 transfers everyday to work, from Punggol to Suntec City. She complained that it is so tiring everyday just to travel to and especially from work. Why don't they just introduce a direct Express service from City to Punggol as well?Originally posted by iamgoondu:If SMRT unable to handle, then give it to SBSTransit.
If SBSTransit unable to handle, then open up the duopoly.
SBSTransit will be more than willing to ply more services into Sembawang.
SMRT refuses to provide more services in Sembawang for the same commuters will 'lan lan' end up taking trains.
And whether it ends up taking train or bus, revenues remain the same.
There is no incentives for SMRT to put up more trains or buses in Sembawang. The additional investment in new buses will not translate to more revenues.
The story is different for SBSTransit. New buses investment for Sembawang by SBSTransit will translate to additional revenues, as some existing Sembawang train commuters will switch to SBSTransit buses.
The trains are getting crowded these days. It's time for PTC and LTA to allow SBSTransit to ply into Sembawang, Yew Tee, CCK, to make our journey more comfortable.
It was a mistake in issuing public bus transport licences to SMRT.
I fully agree with your points.
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SMRT and SBS Transit should not operate both train and bus services together in the same town.
Inadequate services often provided. SBS Transit isnt so stingy, but SMRT is quite stingy.
Bukit Panjang LRT System is one example. All feeder services withdrawn to push commuters up the LRT, and only reintroduce minimal feeder services at 20 - 30 mins only when govt intervene.
Sembawang Town is one example also. They simply want all residents living there to take the MRT. All they do is to provide bridging service to Woodlands, Yishun and Sembawang MRT. The rest were services already in place.
Choa Chu Kang same thing. No basic bus services introduced in Yew Tee since takeover in 1999 when they could have amended 925 to go up and then head to Kranji Industrial Estate via Yew Tee. -
Originally posted by TIB 781 L:
Walk to chong pang and switch to 171Urm. Sembawang Town is no where near Chong Pang. If you are walking you will probably take 20-30 mins.
167/980 transfer to 171 is the fastest way OR
MRT to Marsiling and take 187/963/966.
I say Sembawang people need bus services to Bedok / Sengkang / Boon Lay.
1) Extending 854 to Sembawang,
2) Amend 965 to serve Sembawang and
3) Extending 180 from Bukit Panjang to Sembawang (via 963 loop and then BKE/ Marsiling and then continue using 962's route to Sembawang) would be a wise choice. -
Originally posted by iamgoondu:
The story is different for SBSTransit. New buses investment for Sembawang by SBSTransit will translate to additional revenues, as some existing Sembawang train commuters will switch to SBSTransit buses.
The trains are getting crowded these days. It's time for PTC and LTA to allow SBSTransit to ply into Sembawang, Yew Tee, CCK, to make our journey more comfortable.
It was a mistake in issuing public bus transport licences to SMRT.
there's this problem with LTA for now.. though it does central bus planning, it still has to reach out to the community and both PTOs to reach a feasible solution on both sides. In a way LTA is like the middleman here and not the regulator. That's because if grassroots want an amendment of a service, and PTOs are unwilling due to lack of buses then there is nothing much LTA can do for the moment.I believe things will be different if a third operator steps in.. things will get more exciting that's for sure.
Originally posted by TIB657M:That is why there got additional of 200 CDGE B9s last time when some of new services were introduced.
you have to factor the people in the management and their management style back then, as compared to now.