SBS Transit trials Scania K310UD

• SMB92U

  27 Mar 10, 01:21

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  
  can I ask when u take ah?

  Recently. From Clementi Station to Jurong East Int. And what do you expect, 8033 is a Scania, confirm got alot of vibrations; regardless of which bodywork they use.. Even the SMRT's refurbished Scania Striders became alot more vibrative than the unrefurb DAFs when not supposed to..

• chickenlittle2

  27 Mar 10, 01:24

  Originally posted by SMB92U:

  Recently.

  
  Is rather unfair to compare with B7RLE.

  how serious was the vibration? Had u taken any Euro IV that does not vibrate?

• SMB92U

  27 Mar 10, 01:26

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

   

  how serious was the vibration? Had u taken any Euro IV that does not vibrate?

  Nope. Not even once sry..
  8033's vibrations? Bone shaker :x

• chickenlittle2

  27 Mar 10, 01:27

  Originally posted by SMB92U:

  Recently. From Clementi Station to Jurong East Int. And what do you expect, 8033 is a Scania, confirm got alot of vibrations; regardless of which bodywork they use.. Even the SMRT's refurbished Scania Striders became alot more vibrative than the unrefurb DAFs when not supposed to..

  
  exactly, but I do see 8033D appear on svc more often than 8030.

• SMB92U

  27 Mar 10, 01:35

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  
  exactly, but I do see 8033D appear on svc more often than 8030.

  Ya, me too, when i come to jurong east int, confirm see 8033 w/o fail sometimes.. And sry to say, i <3 BB & BR depot buses more than SL since the 2 depots that i liked, got alot of freezers. For SLBP's case, i only cared about the crazy deployments for a particular day, for eg. 2788 suddenly appearing on 257, B9TL on 241 & sudden 'new' cameo buses for 193 etc.

• ^tamago^

  27 Mar 10, 02:01

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  
  exactly, but I do see 8033D appear on svc more often than 8030.

  
  

  what does that has to do with your vibration argument?

• TIB1051D

  27 Mar 10, 07:16

  Originally posted by Stage:

  
  nonsense. both lousy buses all thanks to slbp. i still think 8030 is better than 8033. your taste is weird. you love negative things is it?

  speaking of which...some comments about my 8030 ride the other day (Wednesday):

  • that bus is now vibrating...though not as bad as its brother KUBs
  • i took from BNL down to NBR. started with cold air @ BNL, reach NBR, it's an oven. pax starting to complain around Orchard to City Hall. originally wanted to go for another trip up, but gave up the idea and went for 190 instead.
    
• wsy1234

  27 Mar 10, 07:44

  have any picture of the new  dd bus? which service is the bus going to serve, 25 or 147?

• sbst275

  27 Mar 10, 08:01

  Scania's vibration problem has been there since the CRB era.

  Anyways which vehicle that has an engine does not produce vibration? Only certain brand's vehicles tend to produce more vibration.

• sbst275

  27 Mar 10, 08:13

  and tbh, there's no pt comparing bus engine vibration all these when ppl are still unable to board the bus to get to work, to school, and to play on time.

  Once everyone can get to board the buses smoothly, we can start to be fussy to look at probably paying more for better buses.

  It's not in any commuter's interest for anyone to seek fare hike to purchase better buses when ppl having problems boarding e buses and so on.

• TIB1083L

  27 Mar 10, 08:25

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  nonsense 2. 8033 is more stable le. I thought u nv take slbp bus so frequent? so imagination starts again? i know is late now, i can understand.

  Btw, I had nv see a bus that breakdown just after coming back from fixing and replacement of new spare parts.

  
  chickenlittle doing SLBP promotion. 

  suck it up, different people different opinion. Just suck thumb. you can't fight against the general opinion de.

• sgbuses

  27 Mar 10, 08:28

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  and tbh, there's no pt comparing bus engine vibration all these when ppl are still unable to board the bus to get to work, to school, and to play on time.

  Once everyone can get to board the buses smoothly, we can start to be fussy to look at probably paying more for better buses.

  It's not in any commuter's interest for anyone to seek fare hike to purchase better buses when ppl having problems boarding e buses and so on.

  Jerking is a more serious problem, there has been injury claims (under latest comments) against the company because people have fallen over when the bus jerks.

• sbst275

  27 Mar 10, 08:31

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  Jerking is a more serious problem, there has been injury claims (under latest comments) against the company because people have fallen over when the bus jerks.

  
  for these cases the jerking comes from the engine braking or 'kicking' effect as the bus picks up speed and shifts gear.

  The 'kicking' effect could be resolved by BC refraining from heavy accerlerating the pedal. But the engine braking effect is more difficult.

• sgbuses

  27 Mar 10, 08:51

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  It's not in any commuter's interest for anyone to seek fare hike to purchase better buses when ppl having problems boarding e buses and so on.

  Using this to compare with the taxi industry would be interesting.

  People are willing to pay a little extra to get better taxis. For example a newer Hyundai Sonata rather than an old Toyota Crown that vibrates on idling and improper handling.

  Drivers are willing to pay a few extra dollars per day for an automatic-gear taxi, rather than scrimping on it and face longer term issues many months down the road with their left hand on the manual gearbox. (Shifting the gear for 8 hours a day is no laughing matter)

  A major factor to consider why the industry have such a diverse fleet today, is because the industry itself have opened up and companies are allowed to compete with each other directly.

• AEW5001

  27 Mar 10, 11:05

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  nonsense 2. 8033 is more stable le. I thought u nv take slbp bus so frequent? so imagination starts again? i know is late now, i can understand.

  Btw, I had nv see a bus that breakdown just after coming back from fixing and replacement of new spare parts.

  
  SBS8033D jitao no a/c de

  i still say 8030L better

• Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1)

  27 Mar 10, 11:09

  Originally posted by Stage:

  euro iv? YAWN
  gemilang? YAWN
  scania kud? YAWN
  if it goes to sl? YAWN
  if it goes to bndep? YAWN

  
  Put it on svc 25 lar

• AEW5001

  27 Mar 10, 11:10

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  
  for these cases the jerking comes from the engine braking or 'kicking' effect as the bus picks up speed and shifts gear.

  The 'kicking' effect could be resolved by BC refraining from heavy accerlerating the pedal. But the engine braking effect is more difficult.

  i believe the root cause of this problem is the design of the brakes and suspensions.
  Kubs use disc braking, compared to the Volvo Mk4s, which uses air braking.

  Buses using air brakes usually brake more smoothly.

• AEW5001

  27 Mar 10, 11:11

  Originally posted by wsy1234:

  have any picture of the new  dd bus? which service is the bus going to serve, 25 or 147?

  
  i believe this bus will be out on Mon.

  keep a close watch during this time

• sbst275

  27 Mar 10, 11:25

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  Using this to compare with the taxi industry would be interesting.

  People are willing to pay a little extra to get better taxis. For example a newer Hyundai Sonata rather than an old Toyota Crown that vibrates on idling and improper handling.

  Drivers are willing to pay a few extra dollars per day for an automatic-gear taxi, rather than scrimping on it and face longer term issues many months down the road with their left hand on the manual gearbox. (Shifting the gear for 8 hours a day is no laughing matter)

  A major factor to consider why the industry have such a diverse fleet today, is because the industry itself have opened up and companies are allowed to compete with each other directly.

  wasn't it also because SBS started bringing in auto tx buses tat ppl started looking into auto tx taxi 2 decade later?

  But for buses, it's a common item so how I see is if e bus is relatively cheap, low cost to maintain and remains reliable it's better. It's like there's no pt spending more on fabric deco interior as u need to spend more time and $$ to maintain them before turning mouldy in e long run.

   Furthermore we macham crash load our buses during peak hrs.

• sbst275

  27 Mar 10, 11:27

  Originally posted by AEW5001:

  i believe the root cause of this problem is the design of the brakes and suspensions.
  Kubs use disc braking, compared to the Volvo Mk4s, which uses air braking.

  Buses using air brakes usually brake more smoothly.

  
  imagine the engine braking effect keeps on kicking in as the KUB reduces speed.. From gear 4 or 5 to gear 2

  It's also to mention w/ the retarder kicking in.

  Probably you're right too over the air brake.

• AEW5001

  27 Mar 10, 11:30

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  
  imagine the engine braking effect keeps on kicking in as the KUB reduces speed.. From gear 4 or 5 to gear 2

  It's also to mention w/ the retarder kicking in.

  Probably you're right too over the air brake.

  
  Kub only 230bhp

  alr will have prob going uphills liao

  and i believe e gearbox requires some form of tuning as well

• Stage

  27 Mar 10, 11:31

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  nonsense 2. 8033 is more stable le. I thought u nv take slbp bus so frequent? so imagination starts again? i know is late now, i can understand.

  Btw, I had nv see a bus that breakdown just after coming back from fixing and replacement of new spare parts.

  
  nv take frequently =/= never take before. 8033's aircon sucks as well. anyone agree?

• sbst275

  27 Mar 10, 11:32

  Originally posted by AEW5001:

  
  Kub only 230bhp

  alr will have prob going uphills liao

  and i believe e gearbox requires some form of tuning as well

  
  I think it needs tuning, it changes gear pretty fast until no power to climb upslope.

• Stage

  27 Mar 10, 11:35

  Originally posted by Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1):

  
  Put it on svc 25 lar

  
  i rather 58 or 59. 25 should get more VO. need so many B9TL's for what. demand also not high. time so much. why need B9TL power? just dump them with those horrible VO's BN sent over.

• AEW5001

  27 Mar 10, 11:36

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  
  I think it needs tuning, it changes gear pretty fast until no power to climb upslope.

  
  it changes gear by default at 17 (from aceleration meter)
  and always changes at this number

  it should step to between 20 to 24, then change gear

  nicer if there is some form of "smart gearbox"