Originally posted by Larryteo:Don't vibrating doors make you feel insecure? o_o
Just ignore him, he's just another typical fanboy.
What can you expect these days in Singapore...
Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:Just ignore him, he's just another typical fanboy.
The doors aren't supposed to vibrate excessively. Many years ago a C651 door did literatelly fell off. Fortunately the train was not in motion.
SMRT Moving people, enhancing lives. You don't get anything for Chinese New Year, cos you're quitting.
SMRT is here cos we have to take it. Usually, if I have the choice, i'll rather take SBS Transit over SMRT and i'm really grateful the Int in my area is fully SBST. although SBS Transit may not be that great. they arent as irresponsible and as ignorant as SMRT. SBST tries its best to resolve problems according to their resources while SMRT tends to sit on it until it becomes unsittable then they start to do something about it. SMRT has a bigger problem with dusty seats and pest management while SBST has poorer maintenance on its vehicles which causes them to breakdown more often. but on a personal preference view, SBST is much better than SMRT in many ways
Compare the number of incidents on the LRTs of BP to the SK/PGL and you can tell.
I believe it is unfair for not receiving the hongbao but it is not worth to argue for the hongbao.
Maintenance is an unprofitable part for any transport company. Buses should not require so much of maintenance , from what I know mostly they just change the black oil and wash the a/c filter. From my point of view, most of the buses which breakdown seems to be overheated.
Originally posted by SBS9622Y:SMRT are just the public transport operators. They were not responsible for any of your perceived shabbiness of construction.
And why are you complaining that the doors are shaking at high speed. Do you expect zero vibrations? They are just sliding doors... not plug doors. It is inevitable that the doors will shake a little. Besides SMRT doesn't design their own trains, they order Electric Multiple Units from other companies. I thought you knew that.
I think this is a rather irresponsible statement to say. When the trains were new, there are no signs of shaking or loose doors. It is not the design fault but rather poor maintainance of the operator over the years. It is not just the doors, some of the articulated joints between trains are shaking violently when travelling at high speeds.
People are beginning questioning the condition of the trains. So you have to wait for an accident to happen and people gets injured or even lose their lives, then the problem is being looked into and rectified?
Originally posted by SBS9622Y:Just lock this thread. This is not the place to discuss such issues
I don't see the need to lock the thread. It is about the liveihoods of our bus captains who drive our buses for our daily transportation as well.
So should this be locked as well, since it is completely irrelevant?http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1279/topics/390954
To TS:
No point complaining since you can't change anything now. Be glad that your father doesn't have to work for such an arrogant and irresponsible company anymore. This is the social problem we are facing now, the local workscene are getting more and more stingy and irresponsible, even now a Singaporean who is willingly to take on and work on jobs that many people are shunning, he is still being treated so shabbily. And think of all the reports that said Singaporeans are shunning all these lowly regarded jobs. So what is actually happening now?
Rather concentrate on helping your father to get a new job instead as soon as possible.
Originally posted by vicamour:I think this is a rather irresponsible statement to say. When the trains were new, there are no signs of shaking or loose doors. It is not the design fault but rather poor maintainance of the operator over the years. It is not just the doors, some of the articulated joints between trains are shaking violently when travelling at high speeds.
People are beginning questioning the condition of the trains. So you have to wait for an accident to happen and people gets injured or even lose their lives, then the problem is being looked into and rectified?
I don't see the need to lock the thread. It is about the liveihoods of our bus captains who drive our buses for our daily transportation as well.So should this be locked as well, since it is completely irrelevant?http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1279/topics/390954
To TS:No point complaining since you can't change anything now. Be glad that your father doesn't have to work for such an arrogant and irresponsible company anymore. This is the social problem we are facing now, the local workscene are getting more and more stingy and irresponsible, even now a Singaporean who is willingly to take on and work on jobs that many people are shunning, he is still being treated so shabbily. And think of all the reports that said Singaporeans are shunning all these lowly regarded jobs. So what is actually happening now?
Rather concentrate on helping your father to get a new job instead as soon as possible.
EEyeer! Like this I hope that SBS will takeover SMRT on the NS line!
Originally posted by SBS9622Y:Just lock this thread. This is not the place to discuss such issues
I do think that we need to look on the big picture, what is irrelevant to you may not be totally irrelevant from this forum. There is too much emphasis on the physical aspect of transportation in this forum, like cameos (for some unknown reasons) . The transportation industry itself, has much more to be explored, some of which are strikingly similar to everyday life/other industries.
In this case, what seems like a rant to many brings us insight in some of the HR processes of a company in the industry, and I do see that having sensible discussion (hopefully there is) on the topic will be fruitful.
Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:SMRT Moving people, enhancing lives. You don't get anything for Chinese New Year, cos you're quitting.
SMRT is here cos we have to take it. Usually, if I have the choice, i'll rather take SBS Transit over SMRT and i'm really grateful the Int in my area is fully SBST. although SBS Transit may not be that great. they arent as irresponsible and as ignorant as SMRT. SBST tries its best to resolve problems according to their resources while SMRT tends to sit on it until it becomes unsittable then they start to do something about it. SMRT has a bigger problem with dusty seats and pest management while SBST has poorer maintenance on its vehicles which causes them to breakdown more often. but on a personal preference view, SBST is much better than SMRT in many ways
Compare the number of incidents on the LRTs of BP to the SK/PGL and you can tell.
0.o Biased against SMRT?
Originally posted by SBS7322B:0.o Biased against SMRT?
SMRT is worser in everyway :D
Originally posted by Larryteo:SMRT is worser in everyway :D
No point siding on one company's side. If you like to compare Outram Park station. I can say that Serangoon station too. I can say that SMRT's CCL is much cleaner than SBST's NEL in Serangoon. Come on, we all know that you are just pointing out bad points from other company just to show support of the company that you side.
Every company has its good and bad points. Both beneficial and non-beneficial to different types of perception. No point throwing bad insults at other company when both companies have good and bad points. It just showing that you just want to gain support for your sided company. No doubt SBST is currently the leading transport operator with ComfortDelgro as its backup, but would it be good if SBST runs a monopoly within Singapore? Think before posting.
Originally posted by SBS7322B:No doubt SBST is currently the leading transport operator with ComfortDelgro as its backup, but would it be good if SBST runs a monopoly within Singapore? Think before posting.
Or the lesser of the two evils.
This applies not just to public transportation, but many other aspects of life as well.
From what I know, SMRT did give out mandarin oranges. Saw the people at Sembawang interchange taking it last friday.
Originally posted by SBS7322B:No point siding on one company's side. If you like to compare Outram Park station. I can say that Serangoon station too. I can say that SMRT's CCL is much cleaner than SBST's NEL in Serangoon. Come on, we all know that you are just pointing out bad points from other company just to show support of the company that you side.
Every company has its good and bad points. Both beneficial and non-beneficial to different types of perception. No point throwing bad insults at other company when both companies have good and bad points. It just showing that you just want to gain support for your sided company. No doubt SBST is currently the leading transport operator with ComfortDelgro as its backup, but would it be good if SBST runs a monopoly within Singapore? Think before posting.
Since you shield so much over SMRT I would like to hear what you have to offer. Let's make it a constructive discussion between you and me.
From my personal opinion. And fact is if you were to observe. SMRT loses out in many areas, they profit big cos they own much of the rail network which has close to no alternatives and if you were to ask me, they aren't doing a good job with their rail service. Their lunchtime express is under utilised, practically only 10 people in the car with me from Toa Payoh to City Hall. During peak hours, I often see sudden 5min frequencies in the middle of peak hours den a continuous 1min bunching for the next few trains. At peak hours, you practically have to either squeeze or wait for the second train to board on the NSL, EWL.
CCL is only a few months old and underutilised, is that fair judgment?
Currently, SBST and SMRT arent really competing. cos you have take either to get to where you want most of the time. and usually whichever comes first, you naturally choose to board cos Singaporeans are always chasing up for lost time.
Firstly, for buses, what's the SMRT and SBST territory for if they really are competing? If you were to tear down the current territories which is clearly in favour of SMRTB, SMRTB wouldn't stand a chance.
When LTA issued the 10-min ruling for peak hours last year, I would say SBS Transit was proactive in making fleet additions since late 08 all the way to 3rd Qtr 09, practically every week different services were getting fleet additions, sometimes more than 5 at a go. SMRT waited till they very last minute and only added about 20 splits just before the "ruling" which I would say isnt really abided by? a few to 970 and some of the city area serving services.
for SMRTB, the only thing i really observe improved was for 190 and 970, the improvements after thousands of complaints to the extent they couldnt sit on it already, that they went to do smth and made a difference. i have to say now 190 and 970 are much better but it could have been done much earlier, and till now still can be improved esp AM Peak. i belive they did smth cos these are their cashcows. SMRTB interior and exteriors arent as clean as SBST ones, and SMRTB ones often have lots of pests (esp AMDEP). SMRT's 1209S of 190 livery is like all brownish already and it plies the heart of Orchard Rd, if its SBST's 402 or SMRT's 925 where its really dusty, it is still forgiveable.
a ponit to infer tho, SMRTB do have less breakdowns (their Mercedes are solid) than SBST (B10Ms and doubledecks ahve alot of technical problems) but SMRT has more accidents and more fatal ones. for me, i rather be caught in a breakdown than an accident. what about you?
for SLRT, BPLRT has broken down so many times within 3 years of operations from 1999-2002 remembering the accident which caused injuries. while SK/PGLLRT hasnt really broken down much since 2003.
Now on to you. (:
Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:Since you shield so much over SMRT I would like to hear what you have to offer. Let's make it a constructive discussion between you and me.
From my personal opinion. And fact is if you were to observe. SMRT loses out in many areas, they profit big cos they own much of the rail network which has close to no alternatives and if you were to ask me, they aren't doing a good job with their rail service. Their lunchtime express is under utilised, practically only 10 people in the car with me from Toa Payoh to City Hall. During peak hours, I often see sudden 5min frequencies in the middle of peak hours den a continuous 1min bunching for the next few trains. At peak hours, you practically have to either squeeze or wait for the second train to board on the NSL, EWL.
CCL is only a few months old and underutilised, is that fair judgment?
Currently, SBST and SMRT arent really competing. cos you have take either to get to where you want most of the time. and usually whichever comes first, you naturally choose to board cos Singaporeans are always chasing up for lost time.
Firstly, for buses, what's the SMRT and SBST territory for if they really are competing? If you were to tear down the current territories which is clearly in favour of SMRTB, SMRTB wouldn't stand a chance.
When LTA issued the 10-min ruling for peak hours last year, I would say SBS Transit was proactive in making fleet additions since late 08 all the way to 3rd Qtr 09, practically every week different services were getting fleet additions, sometimes more than 5 at a go. SMRT waited till they very last minute and only added about 20 splits just before the "ruling" which I would say isnt really abided by? a few to 970 and some of the city area serving services.
for SMRTB, the only thing i really observe improved was for 190 and 970, the improvements after thousands of complaints to the extent they couldnt sit on it already, that they went to do smth and made a difference. i have to say now 190 and 970 are much better but it could have been done much earlier, and till now still can be improved esp AM Peak. i belive they did smth cos these are their cashcows. SMRTB interior and exteriors arent as clean as SBST ones, and SMRTB ones often have lots of pests (esp AMDEP). SMRT's 1209S of 190 livery is like all brownish already and it plies the heart of Orchard Rd, if its SBST's 402 or SMRT's 925 where its really dusty, it is still forgiveable.
a ponit to infer tho, SMRTB do have less breakdowns (their Mercedes are solid) than SBST (B10Ms and doubledecks ahve alot of technical problems) but SMRT has more accidents and more fatal ones. for me, i rather be caught in a breakdown than an accident. what about you?
for SLRT, BPLRT has broken down so many times within 3 years of operations from 1999-2002 remembering the accident which caused injuries. while SK/PGLLRT hasnt really broken down much since 2003.
Now on to you. (:
Indeed. Sadly, SBST has no above surface rail. =(
Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:Since you shield so much over SMRT I would like to hear what you have to offer. Let's make it a constructive discussion between you and me.
From my personal opinion. And fact is if you were to observe. SMRT loses out in many areas, they profit big cos they own much of the rail network which has close to no alternatives and if you were to ask me, they aren't doing a good job with their rail service. Their lunchtime express is under utilised, practically only 10 people in the car with me from Toa Payoh to City Hall. During peak hours, I often see sudden 5min frequencies in the middle of peak hours den a continuous 1min bunching for the next few trains. At peak hours, you practically have to either squeeze or wait for the second train to board on the NSL, EWL.
CCL is only a few months old and underutilised, is that fair judgment?
Currently, SBST and SMRT arent really competing. cos you have take either to get to where you want most of the time. and usually whichever comes first, you naturally choose to board cos Singaporeans are always chasing up for lost time.
Firstly, for buses, what's the SMRT and SBST territory for if they really are competing? If you were to tear down the current territories which is clearly in favour of SMRTB, SMRTB wouldn't stand a chance.
When LTA issued the 10-min ruling for peak hours last year, I would say SBS Transit was proactive in making fleet additions since late 08 all the way to 3rd Qtr 09, practically every week different services were getting fleet additions, sometimes more than 5 at a go. SMRT waited till they very last minute and only added about 20 splits just before the "ruling" which I would say isnt really abided by? a few to 970 and some of the city area serving services.
for SMRTB, the only thing i really observe improved was for 190 and 970, the improvements after thousands of complaints to the extent they couldnt sit on it already, that they went to do smth and made a difference. i have to say now 190 and 970 are much better but it could have been done much earlier, and till now still can be improved esp AM Peak. i belive they did smth cos these are their cashcows. SMRTB interior and exteriors arent as clean as SBST ones, and SMRTB ones often have lots of pests (esp AMDEP). SMRT's 1209S of 190 livery is like all brownish already and it plies the heart of Orchard Rd, if its SBST's 402 or SMRT's 925 where its really dusty, it is still forgiveable.
a ponit to infer tho, SMRTB do have less breakdowns (their Mercedes are solid) than SBST (B10Ms and doubledecks ahve alot of technical problems) but SMRT has more accidents and more fatal ones. for me, i rather be caught in a breakdown than an accident. what about you?
for SLRT, BPLRT has broken down so many times within 3 years of operations from 1999-2002 remembering the accident which caused injuries. while SK/PGLLRT hasnt really broken down much since 2003.
Now on to you. (:
Anyway, TIB1209S had repasted SMRT livery liao, so no more brown spots.
SMRT did a better or best interior to refurbish their train and bus than SBST but is rather not economically practical.
SMRT do need to improve on the train freq but I thinking adding more train will not solve the problem. The problem is to reduce the loading capacity by diverting to other lines like CCL. Esp EWL. Where is the bus that runs parallel with the EWL? Operates svcs that stop only at major MRT stops along EWL like Boon Lay-Jurong East-Outram Park-Raffles Place-City Hall.
SBST NEL do need to improve the train freq in the weekends to cater the crowd heading to little India. The train is ultra packed between 4-8pm in the weekends..
wat for talk about the stupid exterior livery when most passengers care about the interior and aircon..
The thing about SBST is that they do bother to clean up their buses.
I remember once SBS580T did 402, whole advert changed colour. However within a week SBST did a cleanup and removed the dust.
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:SMRT did a better or best interior to refurbish their train and bus than SBST but is rather not economically practical.
SMRT do need to improve on the train freq but I thinking adding more train will not solve the problem. The problem is to reduce the loading capacity by diverting to other lines like CCL. Esp EWL. Where is the bus that runs parallel with the EWL? Operates svcs that stop only at major MRT stops along EWL like Boon Lay-Jurong East-Outram Park-Raffles Place-City Hall.
SBST NEL do need to improve the train freq in the weekends to cater the crowd heading to little India. The train is ultra packed between 4-8pm in the weekends..
wat for talk about the stupid exterior livery when most passengers care about the interior and aircon..
didnt LTA try running a parallel service to MRT 128? doesnt seem like a success...maybe thats y they dun wan to add another one...maybe if they have something like 2 would be gd
I think you gotta understand what's the meaning behind giving angbaos. Are you just like all the other kids around who only look at the money and not the blessings given by the giver?
btw, the thread is going sidetrack...
I think this should NOT be locked.
Anyway, each company got their pros and cons.
If you dont like SMRT, call them SMLJ
If you dont like SBST, call them SBSL
?
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:I think this should NOT be locked.
Anyway, each company got their pros and cons.
If you dont like SMRT, call them SMLJ
If you dont like SBST, call them SBSL
What is SBSL?
Yeah, what is the meaning? Aiyo...now so many shortcut name...
Originally posted by Larryteo:What is SBSL?
i think it shld be SBS Leisure or smth else
SBSL = Si Beh Sia Lan
SMLJ = Si Mi Lan Jiao
Can?